A Type of MGTOW, Not Game, Will Dominate The Future
My view of the world is grounded in percentages, probabilities and dispassionate observations rather than just trying to see patterns which validate my beliefs. Consequently I am willing to consider possibilities that most people might find ‘depressing’ and ‘negative’. Here is one of my predictions, based on a few years of observation-
A form of MGTOW, rather than “game”, will be the predominant response of men to the current dystopic sexual environment.
I am fully aware that most men believe that the MGTOW option involves a celibate to semi-celibate hermit like existence on the fringes of society. In my opinion, the popular image of MGTOW is due to the disproportionate web presence of its most zealotic and ‘ideologically-pure’ followers. The reality for most men is going to be far more different. But let us first understand why “game” is unlikely to be anything more than a minority option. Many of you believe that most men won’t succeed at “game” because they are not “good enough”, interested enough, have low testosterone or whatever bullshit you can dredge up. I see a much bigger and far more fundamental problem-
Even pretty, sexually skilled and otherwise reasonable women are not much fun to be around after you have finished having sex with them.
Did you get it? Over the long-term, the value of a woman around your own age is largely proportional to her looks and sexual availability. As almost every one of you know, those things don’t improve as a woman goes past her mid-20s. In previous era, the effect of this factor was largely mitigated by considerations such as children, mortgages, social expectations etc. However that is no longer the case.
Since most younger men today do not go down that path in their early to mid-20s, they have no sunken investment in maintaining relationships with women they don’t care much about. The converse is also true as most women no longer require the co-operation of men to raise a child or two. Therefore both sexes have a far more cynical view of each other- something that is greatly facilitated by the socio-cultural mores of our times.
The relationship between men and women today is therefore far more like an adversarial business partnership. Both parties are far more interested in screwing each other over than playing nice to achieve a common good.
In my opinion, old-fashioned relationships are dying out because men are increasingly becoming aware of the poor cost/benefit ratio and low probability of “success”. Now combine with awareness with the mediocre looks and sexual skills of the median women in an age of high quality, ambient and free porn. There is little or no incentive for the median guy to chase after the median girl.
Now this does not mean that men will prefer porn over sex with all women. I certainly would never pass an opportunity, paid or otherwise, to bang the living daylights out of a hot chick. But it is also extremely unlikely that I will invest significant time, or effort, in a mediocre girl. Nor would I work my ass off to make enough money to keep any women “happy” or satisfy any older social expectations about men of my age.
Why care about people and institutions who have abandoned you?
I would rather spend my time living well. That means not working hard, eating and drinking well, buying sex, fapping to porn and doing what I really enjoy. Isn’t it closer to MGTOW rather than “game”?
What do you think? Comments?
Spend your time living well, controlling the resources, and knowing that if a woman wants a break from you, she better give you a break.
Anyone thinking that relationships are not transactions is dreaming,
As an example, many women choose to get in relationships with some men to keep those men off the market to other women that are attracted to him (it’s the “being wanted by other women” that got her interested).
Men who do not heed this and Briffault’s Law, are doomed to be used by women without being compensated in return.
MGTOW don’t reproduce, and so will become extinct.
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The continued existence of the universe is immaterial once you are dead. So there is no reason to care about that possibility.
Plus even those in marriages are either having a couple or no kids anyway.
Neither do gays, man are they extinct.
BTW, they DO knock bitches up. But then they get divorced and raped in divorce court.
Where the fuck do you think the MGTOW “movement” is recruiting from, numbnut.
The forever alone guys? Congrats for getting hooked on that feminist/PUA(virtually the same BTW) red herring.
The question wasn’t what is material, the question was who will dominate the future. In the contest to knock up women, those with Game will beat MGTOW. The future belongs to those with natural Game, basically immoral jerks, and to the religious who have many kids.
As hans so well demonstrates, MGTOW are part of modern culture with all the incivility of any liberal. MGTOW is really a part of liberalism and will disappear as liberalism collapses. Gays have never been a significant percentage of the population. There have been cultures with a lot of bisexuals, but that works evolutionarily.
What you forget is that PUA’s (the intelligent ones) take steps to make sure they DON’T knock up women thanks to the lack of social pressure. The future if anything will belong to neither MGTOW or PUA’s but to the underclass (particularly the Hispanic and Muslim underclasses in the USA and Europe respectively).
cynical youth, I didn’t forget. That’s why I said “natural Game”. PUAs don’t have natural game, it is fake. A lot of the underclass does have natural game.
and Franklin, what do you call natural game? Stupidness? For me game tactics are becoming part of my personality as I have improved my life in other areas so I don`t think game is fake.
I shouldn’t have said “fake” game, I should have said “learned” as opposed to natural.
feminist sympathizer…be gone!
While this is basically an against game blog anyway, I have been around the game block the last two years and I now also view game as being almost over. PUA game was just silly and is mostly done. Guys meeting women will continue because that’s natural. The game that has evolved into social CONservatism shows how it has gone full circle with guys who said they were not good with women to begin with became self-appointed game blog gurus and most of these are still not very good with women but their followers continue to worship their blogs as a bunch of these gurus are now saying to find a “good girl” for marriage, so they are now basically back to the beginning where they began. A saying is once married it’s game over. In the real world there is not much of a game community. Now like the CONservitives many game gurus are saying to get married, so with the hyper religious they surprisingly fit into the majority of society. Game as most guys try it might be getting less effective as more guys who are not very smooth (I would use other more underground terms to further explain why they are not effective) and this is having more women catching on and being even more stuck-up (although I can handle any type of woman and I don’t call women b*tches, as I actually am attracted to this type). Even if game (and more advanced techniques beyond game) remain not the majority, there likely will still be relationships as the majority though because I have read many guys on game sites say basically that it’s not just s*x that they want, as they say (possibly with an inner femininity) that they really want a relationship with a “good girl” for a LTR (and even shockingly they still say for marriage) because they seek affection and a family, so therefore it appears the majority of guys (even after learning some about “game”) will still enter into relationships (even as a provider to her agenda and their family). Unlike almost every other game-guy (guru and commenters) I as a “bad man” am attracted to the “bad girls/sl*ts/wh*res) for s*x and not a LTR or marriage, as I only do multiple-STR’s and SNL’s. Some guys can game or act confident (with other vibes) to get a girlfriend, but then they revert back to complaining/whining while thinking they are being an a**hole, but they are really just being a wuss as they were to begin with and both of these constant extremes decrease her arousal, then the relationship becomes about her materialistic agenda anyway. Thus, the end game for most guys in game ends up in defeat. Myself, I entered a game door, learned a few things and also saw that most other guys are schmucks and that for me game (as most mainstream game gurus are now weakly/incorrectly teaching it at least) is over, and I walked out of that game through a different door, and I will still meet women in underground (above what is currently called game) ways. The current tone in much of game and with men and women (as this post said) is that most people seem to now have an attitude that is no fun/that they cannot allow themselves or others around them to enjoy life before death, and I reject this mindset as being the way to game or the way to live before I Die Hard.
from a conversation at the beach today…
So I was drinking beer with a male acquiantance….
a female friend of his shows up, we introduce ourselves….
I mention at one point, I’m lonely and I’d like to get a dog.
Girl says, “Dogs are great, but you’ll have to plan to be home for the animal allot more.”
Guy says, “Why don’t you just get a girlfriend.”
She says, “Dogs are lower maintenance and they’ll always be happy to see you.”
Mind you, this is a woman who said this. I suppose if a man said this a feminist would call that misogynistic. And at one point she mentioned an ex husband, I didn’t get her age but she probably wasn’t over 25. It’s like she knows what’s up and when not in “polite” company speaks the truth.
as far as the MGTOW-I think those internet forums are a little extreme as are you Mr. Diablopoops, however– more and more men are “opting out.” Unless having children is the most important thing in your life, marriage isn’t a good deal (and even then it’s a risky proposition.)
Another part of the “fundamental problem and the poor cost/benefit ratio” is that once in marriage the woman has the legal power to on any day to no-fault divorce the man and thus destroy him financially. Would I go into business with a person where there is a 70 percent chance that within a few years I will lose at least half of everything I have, and my business decision is no I would not. There has been a few shocking to me things on many game blogs recently for instance the amount of guys who say they hate sl*ts (because I thought most guys were out to get laid, so personally I completely disagree with them as I like sl*ts myself), and that most guys still want to get married (despite all the downsides including those mentioned in this post that I basically agree with and the others I have said here and this doesn’t make much sense), so now I don’t read any game blogs as of last month. When I got into learning about game I thought it was about guys teaching how to get laid, then recently much of it has instead turned away from meeting women for s*x into angry rants on “men’s rights issues and politics,” and personally I am not into that stuff or politics either, so I decided to mostly do my own things and I rarely even talk about these concepts any more except for what I do myself, and I won’t make my own blogs because they usually have bloggers/commenters just arrogantly arguing instead of learning , and I only teach a few techniques in person to people I interact with. I really like porn, and I have learned a few skills by viewing porn, however I don’t watch it very often to save time most days, although it is the quickest for self-satisfaction. I would say escorts cost too much, it’s much cheaper than divorce(s), but I wouldn’t want to spend more than $100 for an hour, and prices will probably keep going up unless it was made very common and that’s not happening anytime soon. I have learned things reading this Dissention blog and I like the frequent reminder comments such as, “Why care about people and institutions who have abandoned you/don’t please people who don’t like you anyway/etc, etc.” Important concepts, thanks.
anyways, the “manosphere” is a pretty contradictory place….
you would think the inmalafide guys would love “sexually liberated women.” However there are tons of derogatory comments there.
where to even start with the white power idiots. They talk about racial purity, but if they actually had a chance with a smoking hot mixed race/persian/indian whatever woman, would they still go on and on about their HBD B.S.
I’m mostly focusing on carving out the best life for myself in a f*cked and corrupt world. You really can’t control the actions of others, just watch out for yourself….
An interesting and true observation by Robert Lindsay:
“This is an all male group. All all male groups will end up like this sooner or sooner. They will get more and more nutty, violent, aggro and ultra macho, and then the sociopaths will take over. This is the typical progression of any all male grouping. The only thing that tones this crap down is the presence of women. One reason marriage was invented. To prevent groupings like the Manosphere from becoming commonplace.”
Or is it so that men will be bogged down with a wife and kids so they can’t quickly move on as cupcake has put down a deposit on a money-sink?
A social institution such as marriage does succeed VERY well in maintaining the status quo.
‘Cause the wife isn’t going to risk ostracism from her social group,
and hubby is too tired to think that all the work he is putting in, is just making him a more tempting target for divorce theft or cuckoldry.
Lindsay isn’t talking about the modern form of marriage, which is marriage just in name.
Besides, you’re not looking at the important issue here: the new world consisting of male groups. You should ask yourself: How am I going to survive in such a world? The future will be tough and dangerous.
Not tough and dangerous if you can bring something to the table.
I wonder what degrees in Gender Studies, Psychology and International Relations bring to the table.