How Do Below-Average Looking Women Get Laid?

OK, here is a question which has haunted me for many years. I am sure that some of you also have had similar thoughts.

How do below-average looking women get laid?

While I have no doubt that they can (and do) find some guy to fuck them- the question still remains. How can a guy get a decent erection for penetrating a woman who is obese, ugly, older or hairy? I mean .. seriously, how can a guy get it up for such a creature unless he is fantasizing about someone else?

I am fully aware that the vagina, asshole or mouth of below-average looking women will feel very similar to hot chicks- though the fatter and hairier creatures might stink more. However since men are visual creatures, it would be hard to have sex with your eyes closed at all times. Plus your fingers and the rest of your skin will feel things such as rolls of fat or excessive body hair- even if you wanted to ignore such flaws.

while I can entertain the possibility of an inexperienced and very horny teenaged guy ignoring obvious visual flaws- what about a slightly older guy (mid-20s) who has fucked a few different women? Wouldn’t the below-average looks of a naked chick make him ‘less than enthusiastic’ about the experience, even if tried to will otherwise? Let us face it- average sex does not feel much better than jerking off to high-resolution pictures or movies with hot chicks in them.

Only skilled or enthusiastic sex with a better-than-average looking woman feels significantly better than jerking off to high-resolution porn.

One of the main reasons behind my preference of paying for sex is that escorts (at least outside the USA) are consistently better looking and more skilled than average, or below-average, women. After many years of using escorts, I find it hard to understand why any guy with a shred of self-respect would have sex with a below-average chick unless she offered to blow you while watching porn.

So why do men fuck below-average looking women? How can any self-respecting guy hang around or be seen with below-average looking woman? Don’t they hate themselves for doing such disgusting things (pun intended)?

What do you think? Comments?

  1. December 6, 2012 at 12:39 am

    Sharp analysis. Porn does make ugly women obsolete.

    • December 6, 2012 at 12:53 pm

      As long as there exists
      Doughy, nerdy neckbeards
      Needing Beejers & “companionship”
      No fat hole shall ever, EVER go unfilled

  2. P Ray
    December 6, 2012 at 1:15 am

    They get laid by offering no-strings sex … to the most attractive guy they can find.
    Even players “date down” when the conditions are favourable to them.

    Of course, this gives the woman the oxytocin boost to think they are in a relationship, then they spend the next 6 months blowing off any guy unless he’s a male model.

    The ravishing she gets at the ?hands? of a man other women want, is something that will keep her satiated for a long time.

  3. EvilOne
    December 6, 2012 at 4:24 am

    Stop it Diaboli! We will still accept you back into the fold if you shut down this website and marry a fat cow. Its not too late to repent.

    LOL

  4. zorro
    December 6, 2012 at 6:49 am

    I asked this exact question on the (excellent) RooshV Forum. It was my first post – so they thought I was trolling. Shame since I am genuinely curious…

    http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-15533.html

  5. zorro
    December 6, 2012 at 7:19 am

    Anyway – some more thoughts…

    Firstly – imagine a guy who is let’s say an 8. He has to have alot of his shit together (personality, money, fashion, car, job, attitude and so on) just to sleep with another 8.

    Due to women being less into sex than men. It seems men can only regularly pull girls who are 2/3 points lower than them in attractiveness. To mate with a girl on the same level as you – you have to start adding alot of extra value/status to yourself in terms of what a girl will find attractive.

    So – I guess – guys sleep with what they can sleep with. It is how the marketplace works.

    But – I think guys who think like this are stupid. There is no reason to ever sleep with a girl who is less than a 7/8. In most situations – a hooker, lapdance or porn offers a much better return on investment.

    You all know this anyway. However – I think alot of men are shamed about watching porn. And sleeping with hookers. And are brainwashed into thinking scoring (any) pussy is the pinnacle of what it means to be a guy.

    Personally – this is a good thing. Since alot of the best things in life are only discovered by the guys with the balls to say ‘fuck you’ to society. Think of it as an ‘tax on sheeple’.

    I could whinge about it. And I do. Since it results in alot of fugly women deluding themselves into thinking they have are sexually appealing. The classic one being the fat girl who thinks guys are into her because of her ‘big’ tits. They sometimes mention how ‘bootilicious’ her fat disgusting ass is as well.

    95% of people are followers. And five percentage are leaders. It is only when the top five percentage start changing the script that the others will change their behaviour.

    In this sense – guys sleeping with fat chicks is a sympton of the wider problem of tons of guys doing other dumb shit because it is expected of them by the media/advertisers/government/parents. It works for the powers that be for guys to keep throwing away their lives in pursuit of wealth and status (which serves the elite) in the hopes of scoring sub-grade pussy. So – maybe this will never truly change.

    Still – for what it is worth. I am evangellical in day to day life about challenging men about the ugly girls they sleep with. And the ugly women they marry (who will only get uglier day by day).

    It is a shame for men as a whole. Since the only way women will lose weight and start making more of an effort is when they start getting ignored by the losers trying to pull them.

    And when they no longer get attention from the good looking guys who no longer want to slum it with them.

    • anonymous
      December 6, 2012 at 10:20 am

      “However – I think alot of men are shamed about watching porn. And sleeping with hookers. And are brainwashed into thinking scoring (any) pussy is the pinnacle of what it means to be a guy.”

      More frequent than the latter are guys who feel that monogamy with a girl they aren’t particularly attracted to is their best option, who then justify their situation to themselves and others with comments like, “I am not shallow” and “I need to feel a deep emotional connection to any girl I have sex with”. They paint themselves as morally virtuous as compensation for the limitations they’re faced with (some of which are self-imposed, some not). However, their moral virtue has not been tested. If you were to drop any of these guys into an alternate universe (or even a foreign country!) where 8s and 9s made themselves sexually available to him every day, he’d quickly become of those shallow superficial types he claims to despise. Perhaps his willpower would hold out in response to X number of offers, but he’d eventually crack. Moral superiority is tool people use to attain comfort with accepting less in life, just as much as it’s the tool that people use to line to enhance their own position at the expense of others.

      Beyond that, a lot of guys simply have no perspective beyond their limited bubble of experience. They haven’t traveled and experienced the significantly higher average level of female beauty that many other countries have to offer. They haven’t had sex with any hot escorts. I know guys who put up with so much bullshit for marginally attractive or completely unattractive women. I tell them that if they ever traveled to Eastern Europe, they wouldn’t even speak to or look at the girls they’re currently with or interested in. Or maybe she still would be worth talking to provided that she doesn’t toss out too much bullshit, but at least you’d be able to see that she isn’t exceptional or special or a princess or a goddess or whatever. Nobody believes me, so I don’t share your evangelical approach, at least not in relation to guys who don’t seem open to my ideas.

      • webe
        December 6, 2012 at 1:50 pm

        That may all be well and true, but it does nothing to explain why some men will have sex with revolting women. I mean like 3x normal weight, real ugly, and mentally retarded on top. And still manages to get impregnated, even though it’s the type that made you wake up in the middle of the night when you were 16, just by passing by in a dream, or made you shiver with visceral disgust, thinking about accidentally touching in the hallway through coincidental jostling. No, it requires a lot more explaining how someone can even get it up.

      • P Ray
        December 8, 2012 at 3:34 am

        Could be explained by
        “When you’re stoking the fireplace, there’s no looking at the mantelpiece”
        The men may get her impregnated …
        that doesn’t mean he’ll be sticking around to raise the child.
        Some people live with delusions until the stick of reality batters them into consciousness.

  6. Wilson
    December 6, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Explain this: guys who pay for ugly whores! The erection will take what it can get–sheep or other dudes if necessary. Yes, whores and porn are better than ugly women. But whores are illegal, expensive, fake; porn’s stimulation is limited, and fake. The lonely man settles for the ugly woman.

    • December 6, 2012 at 10:24 am

      I can’t say for sure because I have never paid to have sex. However I can tell you one thing for sure – sex with a girl who is maybe average in looks but is very enthusiastic about sex with you, has a decent body, knows what she is doing and has an overall warm demeanor – not only does this feel pretty good but it feels way better than a very hot girl who lies in bed like a rock doing and saying nothing. (I had this experience recently – got a girl who was fairly hot but she just practically lay in bed doing nothing. It felt like I was fucking a sex doll or something)

      • anonymous
        December 6, 2012 at 11:40 am

        This is true. I’m willing to go slightly lower in the looks department for a girl with a warm and affectionate disposition, but she does have to meet a certain minimum threshold.

    • doclove
      December 7, 2012 at 4:35 am

      Here’s an answer: Desperation, Intoxication, and Funny Stories to tell your friends. Pick one, pick any combination of 2 out of 3 or pick all three.

    • doclove
      December 7, 2012 at 5:24 am

      Advocatus Diaboli answered it from an American perspective to some extent below.Whores in the USA are worse than in any other 1st world nation to include Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Western European nations. Quite often they are worse than nations like Columbia or Eastern European nations too. One of the causes of the problem is that you would be hard pressed to find a nation especially a 1st world nation that is as into PROSTITUTION PROHIBITION as the USA or is worse than the USA. Most if not all of the Muslim South-west Asia, Central Asia and North Africa is worse than the USA for example. Ireland, Norway and Sweden might be as bad as the USA with Britain coming in a close second for being as much into prostitution prohibition as the USA as far as 1st world nations are concerned, but Holland, Belgium, Germany and Austria which are also 1st world nations are short journey away with plenty of legal or de facto tolerated prostitution. Iceland as 1st world nation might be worse because it is an island with a small population where everybody knows the other persons business and flights are less plentiful and more expensive to get to better European nations for prostitution.

      Add this too. Escorting is the best for the female prostitututes on everything except safety. Brothels are the best for men customer johns except for being more easily outed which can happen to the female prostitutes too because of cameras and the internet which can cause embarrassment because of our societies’ accepted idiotic social mores concerning prostitution. Think about it. When an escort arrives, you’ll have a tendency to take what came to your door. I’m not saying you will take her only that you will have a tendency to do so. When you visit a red light brothel district such as in Amsterdam, Holland, then you will shop around. Sometimes men are so desperatethat they will even take an ugly whore because that is all that is available. Other times the ugly whore is cheaper than the beautiful whore, but he, the john, is either cheap or if not cheap then poor.

      I reccommend that people look at the website hosted by Maggie McNeill, a former escort/whore at http://www.maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/

      • anonymous
        December 7, 2012 at 7:51 am

        It’s legal in the UK. Brothels aren’t, but escorts are — similar to Canada. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe

      • doclove
        December 7, 2012 at 10:22 am

        Hence why my statement above meant to say that Britain is a little better than the USA because escorts are legal but brothels aren’t. You can include Canada, Austrailia and New Zealand as being similar to Britain or not much above it. Brothels tend to reduce the price of prostitution for men. So does the number of prostitutes plying their trade. So does the reduction of criminalization of prostitution. Escort whores tend to be more expensive than brothel whores. I’m refering to the brothel whores of Holland, Belgium, Germany, Austria and Switzerland not of rural Nevada counties in the USA. The over-regulation of the state of Nevada and its counties which allow it jack up the price.

        Yes, the key to having a good experience with escorts is to stay away from anglo- women. Even in UK, your best bet is with escorts born in eastern Europe, South America or pretty much anywhere else in the world except UK and USA.

      • doclove
        December 7, 2012 at 10:34 am

        Maybe Advocatus Diaboli, AD, will confirm what Ferdinand Bardamu, Roosh and Tucker Max have implied or explicitly stated. I can not comment because I have never been there. Montreal women according to them are better looking than other major cities/ metropolitan areas in North America. Granted, the other men went to GAME them. However, it stands to reason that they probably have better looking adult female professionals, whores, because they have better looking women amatuers, non-prostitutes. Maybe this is why AD says go to Montreal, Quebec province, Canada. He certainly seems to strongly imply this below almost to the point of being explicit.

        Yes, and he also said that he was in Massachusetts. I know for a fact that Montreal is a 45 minute flight from Boston and vice-versa.

      • P Ray
        December 8, 2012 at 3:38 am

        You can bet that countries where strippers pay to show their wares on stage (even in Auckland, New Zealand) ….
        that a fair amount of land whales will take up the offer if only to try and entice men to part with their cash on the unsaid offer of something happening “later”.
        “Later” mostly never comes.

    • P Ray
      December 8, 2012 at 3:35 am

      The lonely man isn’t settling for the ugly woman.
      Thank goodness for Victoria’s Secret and porn, to keep standards high :)

  7. anonymous
    December 6, 2012 at 9:24 am

    I wondered that too, but I recall a conversation that I had with some Scottish guys during a recent trip of mine. Over drinks, the discussion turned to sex and porn, and I said, “I have had sex with some hot women, and I think it has ruined me. At this point, I get far more pleasure out of jerking off to videos of hot women than I do having sex with an unattractive woman. She has to be hot if the effort is to be worth my while.” They both kind of paused and looked at each other, and then one responded, “I dunno, mate. Not me. I’d rather stick it in some girl, no matter what she looks like. You can always just do her doggy style.” The other says, “Yeah, masturbation is like taking a shit. Just a bodily function.”

    Small sample size, I realize, but a possible indicator that guys are willing to fuck anything. That said, I’m not sure if either of these guys had ever fucked an 8 or a 9. I used to be willing to put in more effort for mediocre-looking pussy, but once you bang a 9 — regardless of whether you game her or pay for her services — you can’t go back. it just isn’t satisfying. I’ll hook up with a 6 if the amount of effort involved is minimal, but I can’t imagine doing anything regular with one, much less being monogamous with one, as so many guys do.

  8. anonymous
    December 6, 2012 at 9:52 am

    A note about escorts: I don’t know if this is the case in Canada, but the review boards in the U.S. are full of white knights who exaggerate the visual beauty of the escorts that they see. I think that quite a few of these guys can’t get laid without paying for it, which results in them having low standards. There are also a surprising number of clients who buy flowers or chocolates as gifts for the girls that they see. Their nice-guy tactics failed to get them the Disney’esque romance that they always fantasized about, and rather than reevaluating their tactics, they apply them to escorts, even though it’s entirely unnecessary and undeserved. So basically, a lot of reviewers engage in heavy pedestaling and screw over their readers by describing a girl as a 10 when she’s actually a 6. I’ve been unpleasantly surprised a few times, and have had to turn some girls away. More frequently than that, I’ve found the girl moderately attractive, but no more so (and sometimes less so) than girls I’ve been able to pick up for free. If I’m going to pay, the girl has to be a 9. Otherwise, there is no point. There are some seriously ugly escorts in the U.S. who still manage to find customers. You can identify the nasty ones from their pictures, but still, finding the hotties is a bit of a challenge. Legality issues might make the situation better in Canada, and I might even have luck in a higher tier metro area than the one I live in. I have a couple of regulars here in the U.S., but I just don’t want to risk seeing anybody new. I’ll go just go to Germany once a year, where it’s easier. I have had better luck in Canada too, but even there, you don’t know exactly what you’re getting.

    I got flamed by quite a few white knights on one of the review because I posted a thread registering my displeasure with the average appearance of the women I had encountered while soliciting suggestions for girls who met my standards. Perhaps my post was tactless, but I didn’t name any names. Still, I got flamed and shamed for daring to suggest that the the metro-area escorts might be anything less than goddesses.

    And what’s with all the loser clients who pedantically refer to themselves constantly as “gentlemen”? It’s apparent that there is a large portion of clients who feel the psychological need to make their hobby out to be something more than what it is. I like a lot of the escorts I’ve been with on a personal level (or at least the face that they show me) and have enjoyed their company. Escorts themselves might even genuinely enjoy a client’s company in the way that a bartender might genuinely enjoy the company of one of his customer. That said, beneath all that friendliness — genuine or otherwise — is a business transaction, and without that, there would be no interaction at all. Too many clients of this particularly industry are incapable of being honest with themselves about the nature of their activity, and are therefore incapable of giving an honest review of an escort in a way that they would a set of computer speakers on Amazon.

    Unfortunately many of the older customers of escorts do exhibit that whole “gentlemen” self-deception.

    • knee
      December 6, 2012 at 9:00 pm

      You mentioned Montreal as a good place for escorts that are cheaper. If are in the north east USA, why Montreal? Why not Eastern Europe or Latin America if you want cheaper escorts? Wouldn’t they be even cheaper?

      There must be some benefit.

      It is because

      Because Canada’s culture is alot closer to USA so you would be more comfortable? Because the plane ride is shorter? Because there are more ethnicitys of girls to choose from in Montreal?

      Yes, yes and yes.

      A return ticket from Boston to Montreal is less than 300$ in the first week of February- maybe even less if you adjust your flight day/times.

      You get flight + hotel for 2-3 days for around 500$. Escorts from good agencies are 180$/hr and you can find cheaper and equally good ones by browsing the bulletin boards of merb.ca.

      Go to merb.ca, register as a member and use the auto-translate ability in the ‘Chrome’ browser to read the reviews written in french.

      You could easily get 2-3 escorts (or 2 escorts + 2 massage parlor experiences) + a round trip to Montreal with hotel for about 1k dollars. Add about 100 $ for food and taxi cabs.

      • knee
        December 6, 2012 at 9:23 pm

        Tell me your thoughts on

        I have a few weeks during winter break and less than $1000 to blow on escorts, porn, good food, and learning how to use my anal toy. Going to be in Boston/Cambridge area. I want to spend this time and money to fuck 2 escorts BBJ, DFK. 19 year old college student.


        I cannot, in good conscience, recommend you escorts in the USA unless you get some experience in this area. You might have a less than positive experience or you might be hurried through it or you might get ripped off.

        1. What information should I expect to give when they are screening you and what info should I never give (name, phone number, school I go to, age, real or fake email, etc?)

        In Canada, you can use you real name or nickname. In the USA, you should buy a disposable cell phone and create a short term email address that could not be traced back to you.

        2. Aside from preferred 441 (is that # right) what do you recommend to screen them with?

        Don’t bother about that shit, just get a cheap cellphone from 7/11.

        3. Any good pay porn sites you’d recommend to mass DL shit for a few weeks in college? Mainly into deep/rough BJ’s and Anal. Of course I could stick w/ free which is great, but I did have some wonderful experiences with Brazzers and some deepthroat sites.
        —-

        That will be hard with escorts- even in Canada. Sorry! Plus doing a woman in the butt is not as fun as you think.

        4. Any other tips for avoid stings and to get a good experience with the escorts?

        What part of ‘go to Montreal’ do you not understand! The USA is a shit place for using escorts.

      • knee
        December 7, 2012 at 12:41 am

        1. Do you go to montreal to fuck escorts now and how is it working out for you?

        2. Could you write about experiences traveling to Montreal or know where to find any good accounts/written stories of people doing it?

        Just looking for some guidance honestly. I’m a kid. There’s alot to figure out.

        3. What are your thoughts on

        a) alibi for parents
        b) who to go for help on the travelling aspect (did not grow up in a city, never traveled alone)
        c) backup plan in case I miss the plane get stuck in Canada (might just have to save up more money)

        4. It seems like as a college student now trying to figure out my future,

        It might be a good idea to find a way where I can eventually live in Montreal or at least not too far a plane ride away. What are your thoughts on how to do this? What would you do if you were back in college and wanted to end up in a situation where you could do one of these?

        Maybe dental school is not such a great idea after all.

      • P Ray
        December 7, 2012 at 3:24 am

        Analysis paralysis is a good way not to get anything done.
        Not to mention, Law Enforcement works by asking all the incriminating questions too, making it tough for anyone to help the clueless.
        I’m pretty sure over in Canada you’ll get correct directions once you have a lead on merb.ca.

        Like Nike, sometimes you have to “Just Do It”.

      • anonymous
        December 7, 2012 at 7:55 am

        Unfortunately for me, flying to Montreal takes 8 hours from my location, which makes it impractical for a weekend trip There are no direct flights. At least three connections are involved. Vancouver is easier to visit, which isn’t bad but not as legendary as Montreal. Still a weekend of pooning is about $1000, when you incorporate flights, a hotel, etc. I’d rather just save it for Europe.

  9. EvilOne
    December 6, 2012 at 11:47 am

    No money, no honey.
    No honey, no baby.
    No baby, no problem
    – Cambodian saying.

  10. jane
    December 6, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Well it is one thing to be young and uncommitted…but ultimately…in a marriage….sadly time marches on…looking older…with a roll or two…etc….is not a dealbreaker when there is a lifetime of joy and love and sex and caretaking of one another’s well being…also ultimately intelligence and humor never die when looks DO fade…I have endeavored to make all the moments of my husband’s life memorable and worthy…and he still thinks the times with me are the best times of his life…wrinkles and extra 10 pounds and all…and I am still smarter than anyone else he knows and funnier too

    • Dude
      December 6, 2012 at 1:29 pm

      Yeah, thank you very much for that comment. Really.

    • P Ray
      December 7, 2012 at 3:21 am

      What a woman!
      Unfortunately I am sure you do not know any agreeable, pleasant-looking ones fresh out of high school with your accepting attitude.
      See, problem is that unattached men, want that type.
      What we get is the woman who wants to blame us for all her previous bad choices. And is older, heavier, wrinklier and more demanding.

    • anonymous
      December 7, 2012 at 8:07 am

      I think this would be a good situation for those who can get it. Although it was something that I once really wanted, the best I’ve ever been able to achieve has been flings and short-term relationships. At this point, I’ve stopped wanting it, just because my flings have been happier than my relationships. and I’m not even sure I know how be in a relationship at this point. The idea of being in a relationship seems pretty foreign to me now, and it’s not even on my radar anymore. At this point, all I want is to have sex with a lot of hot girls before I die. I do like hanging out with them and chatting, but not necessarily all day long or during multiple days throughout the week.

      At any rate, what you’re describing is not really what the OP was referring to. Getting into a relationship with a woman one is initially attracted to who ages and gains ten pounds over the course of a long and fruitful relationship is not the same as having a fling with a girl one is not attracted to to begin with. The blog owner doesn’t really like women very much though, so I doubt he’d be too enthusiastic about your relationship either :P

      • jane
        December 7, 2012 at 7:36 pm

        Yes I know that is true…I just wanted to point out that sex with ugly girls occurs in multiple contexts & not to be too hastily dismissive. Also I agree that women mostly have become hideous harridans who highly overrate themselves and show very little ability to separate the gold from the dross-in fact to truly value a man’s worth. This is very sad. I have always had concerns for my own sons and who they could find that most wondrous delight with…alas none to be found yet…though my daughter was snapped up pretty quickly. Perhaps the Bible was correct about that whole virtuous woman/rubies thing…& perhaps therein lies the heart of the problem…virtue. There is nothing finer than finding solace in a lover.

  11. rott-v-ler
    December 6, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Because he’s a below average looking guy? His expectations are lower? He has less/no choice of women?

    Go out and ask someone.

  12. TrollingPof
    December 7, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Women are the selectors and they will always be the selectors. I firmly believe that women care as much about physical attractiveness as men otherwise men wouldn’t have evolved to develop far more robust facial features, height and other honest indicators of genetic fitness. I think we’re 100% programmed to see women as more attractive and more valuable but in reality men spend far more energy into developing secondary sexual characteristics.

    But enough about that. I think if you want a good example of just how easy it is for women even below average women to get sex, make a fake troll online dating ad. Make her as disgusting as you want and you will see legions of men wanting to bang that vagina.

    For instance someone made a profile of an obese, HIV infected woman and she got 5 messages in the first hour the profile was active including a few phone numbers and offers to meet up.

    http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=47900803

    —-

    That says a lot about how pathetic some men are.

    • December 7, 2012 at 8:02 pm

      I couldn’t access the OG profile, but I assume you stated she has HIV/AIDS explicilty….

      If those guys are contacting her and know how to read, would it be reasonable to assume they also had the disease?

      • TrollingPof
        December 7, 2012 at 9:12 pm

        Yes it was stated explicitly. This was the content of the profile:

        “Before you read any further I have to get one thing out of the way. I was diagnosed with HIV 4 months ago. Since that time I haven’t had any intimate relationships and to be quite honest It’s gotten quite lonely.

        It turns out I have a good chance at responding well to the treatment/drugs that are available. What I am looking for is someone who understands the risks and is willing to take them in a mature manner. In the end I don’t want to feel guilty for burthening someone else with my condition. Before we do take any chances I want to be sure that you understand the real implications of whatever happens.”

        I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume that. None of their profiles mentioned anything about HIV… I double checked. However, it is reasonable to assume that they’re stupid and desperate.

        The first guy probably doesn’t know a whole lot about the disease because he asked her if she was “curing it”.
        The last guy that contacted her had 2 very young children. I know it’s shocking to think that women in the lowest league can sleep with men who are average looking and gainfully employed but that really is the world we live in.

        Yes I know this was an extreme example but it’s hardly unique. With the advent of online dating women have access to men who are far more attractive and successful than themselves. Perhaps not all of these will commit to a long term relationship but some of them will.

        Here are some more examples….

        These profiles were legitimately not made by me but are from another internet forum of like-minded trolls.

    • Myron Gaines
      December 8, 2012 at 12:12 am

      “Women are the selectors and they will always be the selectors.”

      When did women become the selectors? This is news to me. Care to elaborate?
      Men have always had the upper hand when it comes to mate selection.

      It seems you are making the mistake of projecting your personal experience of not being selected by women onto all males.

      Fortunately, that is not the way it goes. I’m sorry that you have had trouble with women.

      • EvilOne
        December 8, 2012 at 2:10 am

        Selection has to be mutual. Women are pickier than men, and more herd like and may have a lower sex drive – ergo they are the bottleneck ergo they are the selectors.

      • P Ray
        December 8, 2012 at 3:31 am

        Don’t worry, your time when you will have trouble with women, will come.
        That is, unless you have no standards about the kind of woman (female?) you consider acceptable.

      • P Ray
        December 8, 2012 at 3:32 am

        Women can only be picky …
        when there are many men to choose from, or they have the opportunity to leave where they currently are.
        Women only have a low sex drive if they are around a man they are not attracted to.
        The same woman who wouldn’t touch Ian McKellen, would be all over Chris Pine.

  13. webe
    December 8, 2012 at 5:06 am

    Men have always had the upper hand when it comes to mate selection.

    Your comment (Care to elaborate) shows you have read nothing about the assumed background on hypergamy here (According to DNA studies 80% of women have reproduced; whereas only 40% of men have). Still begs the question: Were you ever in high school or collge? Was it the males of the species holding back and being picky that lead to fewer sexual encounters? How exactly have men traditionally had the upper hand in mate selection?

    • Myron Gaines
      December 8, 2012 at 10:13 am

      I see you need your hand held through the thought process, since I am in a generous mood I will gladly assist you on this journey. However, I’m fully aware that you have this viewpoint of “Women are selectors” entrenched in your psyche and no amount of proof to the contrary will get you to relinquish one of your deeply held beliefs. You have too much ego invested. (side note: I also find it funny that you would ask how men are selectors on a blog that supports the use of escorts.)

      Moving Forward.

      Women are not the selectors. Men initiate contact, so they’re selecting and choosing who to pursue. Sure, the woman might reject him, but he is the one who made the choice and selection in the first place, and when it works out, ultimately he was the selector. She just acquiesced to his desire.

      Whoever has higher status is the selector. Women, more often than not, have lower status than males.

      I know this may be hard for you to comprehend but any woman you are fawning over or are not being selected by only has this power because you gave it to her. Men select what the most desirable body type is that is why most women try to stay in decent shape and are constantly in a neurotic state about gaining weight. It’s why women get breast implants etc. The examples are literally endless.

      I also must comment on the appeal to social institution. It is unintentionally hilarious. Are you one of those “High IQ” types who thought earning various credentials thinking it would land you pussy and respect in society? How does it feel to be wasted human capital? You’ve been reduced to a unit of production for the state and don’t even have the ability select women of your choice to show for it.

      Please do continue to advocate for the current system and it’s machinations. It’s quite entertaining to watch.

      • TrollingPof
        December 8, 2012 at 11:43 am

        Yes why do you think the escort business caters to a mostly male audience? Hint: it’s not that difficult for a girl to find a more attractive guy than herself to fuck. Men need to pay cash to be able to do that. For the most part it doesn’t matter who’s doing the approaching. It really doesn’t change anything about the nature of the game.

        Women have far higher status than men. I assure you. Your evidence to the contrary is probably founded on superficial things like income etc. and yes the average guy does make more money and have better success in their careers than the average woman. But if you consider things that truly matter such as whose lives are more important…. who will live and who is expected to die/make sacrifices for the “good” of their country, you will realize women have a higher intrinsic worth. You can see this everytime you walk down busy streets in the poorer areas of the city. It is just extremely rare to see women panhandling for money.

        For the record I think physical attractiveness/popularity is more important to attract women than money. The only guys I see being in a position of “selecting” girls easily are pretty boys and athletes. Most average guys just have 1-2 girlfriends and get lucky a few times. If money actually mattered to girls in this day and age, some of those nerdy/asian/unattractive premed/engineering/comp sci guys would actually have girlfriends because they have a modestly higher chance of making a stable income than say an arts major. I know quite a few who fit this description and as far as I know56 they haven’t had a single girl in 3 years of college.

      • P Ray
        December 8, 2012 at 12:56 pm

        It’s always interesting to note that Asian guys become attractive to women, only after those same women cannot snag Mr. Alpha.
        They’d do well to read this retaliation how-to:

        http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/hypergamous-arms-race-revenge-of-the-nerds/

        “Give that itch some ointment. Itches love ointment.”

      • webe
        December 9, 2012 at 12:28 pm

        I also must comment on the appeal to social institution.

        Which social institution do you mean? DNA studies? Or high school? I am not appealing to the authority of high school, I’m simply giving it as an example of a good place to observe the interaction between the sexes among same-age cohorts, generally without the interference of a lot theory or other overhead. One can notice the tendency of girls to date boys from younger classes, and how the boys steadfastly say “No sex, just friends” to all but the most desirable girl in the class.
        Your assumed narrative about my own experiences kind of misses the mark, I’m too old and too conservative to be thinking about getting it on with new women.

  14. December 9, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    one time I was at a nudie beach and there was this lady who must’ve been 200+ lbs…

    middle aged guys kept approaching her like she was a supermodel…

    she seemed to be eating up the attention, it was pretty funny…

    Says a lot about pathetic guys in the anglo-sphere really are.

  15. None of Your Business
    March 10, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    I am also much a fan of the escort. With the general decline in the relationship and intellectual capacities of basically everyone the already questionably-interesting average woman has become a totally boring bitch fiend who contributes nothing of value but her ass. If she isn’t hot, then it’s basically masochistic to date or even fuck them.

    I’d rather go without than fuck an ugly. I have sex because I want to, people who bang ugly chicks are like people who will smoke drugs that “might be” (are) laced with PCP because they’re unable to control their impulses or something.

  16. Matthew
    April 25, 2013 at 5:15 am

    Some women would screw mwn regardless of there looks. Usually the guys that will have sex with any women even below average is when the women is a butterface. Men will also do casual sex ith anyond if they are drunk, on pcp, cocaine, strong marijuana, heroine, or are brain damaged. Which I am sure are the guys you refer to as having sex with anyone regardless of looks.

  17. Julie
    July 25, 2013 at 5:18 am

    I have to agree with the above. No man fancies an ugly woman. It’s ok for a guy to be ugly as long as he is confident and witty etc he will get by but an ugly woman can only be a mans friend. No man if he is honest, wants an ugly woman on his arm. Men also prefer slim up to medium built women. I know it’s shallow but its human nature and you cannot get beyond it.

    • P Ray
      July 25, 2013 at 7:53 am

      No man fancies an ugly woman.
      Not true. Explain all those women leaving a club with a guy in tow?
      Plus this fat acceptance movement: why is it only about making fat women acceptable? Where are the fat men that skinny women date?

      No man if he is honest, wants an ugly woman on his arm.
      With a girlfriend you are already pre-selected. Maybe that’s why ugly women are scared of being in a relationship with an ugly man. They don’t want that odd chance that he has the chance to trade up, since women date men other women want or are going out with. They’d rather get pumped and dumped by alphas and then turn feminist with cats.

      Men also prefer slim up to medium built women.
      I dunno, for me if you have a busted face, you can be as thin as a rake and it wouldn’t matter.
      Besides that, you can easily lose weight. You can’t get a better face … it’s something you’re born with.
      Otherwise, you end up like this after fooling someone with plastic surgery:

      For women, sex is a choice.
      For men, sex is a chore.

  18. roxanne
    March 14, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Finally an article that (kind of) explains why men settle for ugly and or fat women.
    As an ugly and overweight woman in my early 20’s ive been asked out by no more than 5 guys and 1 man asked for a BJ. Ive been looking for the right words to say to these men and this article and the comments helped more than I would’ve done if I were to make up stuff.

    @P Ray…..I dont know why you think all women want an alpha.
    I dont know why you think women turn to feminism because they cant get a man. Even if that were true, what does it matter? If you and other men feel that feminism is for ugly women who cant get a man and therefore hate men, and then you men turn around and say that you hate feminists then I dont see what the problem is.
    I dont get why men hate fat, ugly women and then complain that fat, ugly women hate men.
    I dont get that you men seem to think that only beautiful women deserve your love and masculine care while the fat, ugly women deserve to be pumped and dumped (only if hes drunk or has low self esteem) and then complain that women WANT to be pumped and dumped by alphas.
    Well which is it? Do ugly women want to be f*cked then abandoned or do you men think they SHOULD be?

    Sure I can lose weight and fix myself up. That doesnt mean that I’m gonna talk to men and be lovey dovey with them because remember men….IF YOU DON’T WANT ME FAT, YOU DON’T DESERVE ME SKINNY.
    And that goes for all the fat, ugly women in the world.

    • EvilOne
      March 14, 2014 at 11:29 pm

      How about short but good looking women? By short, I mean 5’0 and shorter.
      Ive always been confused by them, on one hand empirical data suggests that they are more jealous than their average height counterparts. On the other, the majority of men state (though they may be lying to themselves, consciously or unconsciously) that height genuinely doesn’t matter to them in a partner*.

      *Many men also state they dont mind if a girl is taller than them – but I dont believe they are being honest here either.

  19. roxanne
    March 15, 2014 at 10:02 am

    @evilone
    I dont believe many men want a tall woman either.

    However….if shes attractive (super model) then he would want her in a heartbeat.
    Remember women, if you’re not physically attractive men will not want you. If you’re tall or too short and men don’t want you its because youre not attractive, not because of your height.
    Come on women pay attention.

    Nothing wrong with ignoring the fat, ugly women :-)

    • P Ray
      March 15, 2014 at 3:44 pm

      When women are the ones _choosing_ who to go out with in the first place (by agreeing),
      I really don’t think your points can be addressed(not in a rational universe).
      This situation obviously strikes a chord with you, I suggest not picking guys with plenty of options in the vain hope that “I will make it work with him”.
      As Shitty Advice has said: Red pill for women: only ugly/regular guys can love, the hot guy you are dreaming about is likely an asshole because of his options.

      IF YOU DON’T WANT ME FAT, YOU DON’T DESERVE ME SKINNY.
      You see, the problem with that stupid statement is:
      WOMEN TRY THEIR BEST TO PLEASE THE GUYS THEY RESPECT.

      Maybe the guy you want to accept you when FAT, is also the GUY YOU WON’T BE SKINNY FOR.
      Think about that.

  20. roxanne
    March 15, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    I suggest you not pick women who have many options either.

    If the man I want likes me for my fatness, whats the point in losing weight? That makes no sense.

    But you can keep complaining that all women want alphas, all women are bitches, all women have high standards and other BS.

    • P Ray
      March 16, 2014 at 1:38 am

      If the man I want likes me for my fatness, whats the point in losing weight? That makes no sense.
      idiot alert.
      I have not noticed any fat women aged 100 and up, why is that?
      Probably because fat people DIE EARLIER.
      If you really valued the guy you were with, wouldn’t you want to be around him longer AND not be a burden to his wallet (hospitalisation and diseases brought about by being fat … is costly)?

      But you can keep complaining that all women want alphas, all women are bitches, all women have high standards and other BS.
      Idiot alert 2.
      Women want those types of guys … when they’re at their most attractive.
      As they age, they are shut out of that market, so complain about having to be with “nice guys that they didn’t want”(ignoring the reality that their attractiveness dropped, so they had to look beyond looks AND observe the fact that the guys they were after, knew they were in demand).

      Really, you’ve only demonstrated an entitlement mentality, I bet your phone is blowing up with offers for sex … and NONE for commitment :)

  21. roxanne
    March 16, 2014 at 8:15 am

    Citations please.
    Where’s your proof?

    P.S You’re misogyny is showing

  22. roxanne
    March 16, 2014 at 8:41 am

    Most people don’t live to see 100. Has mostly to do with other factors, not health. Compared to skinny people, overweight people are more likely to catch certain diseases, just like smokers can get what non smokers cant. That doesnt mean you’re 100% likely to get it. I bet most overweight people are healthy.

    You think I want to spend the rest of my life with the man I want, err, settled for?
    What man? Where are all these men who want the fugly women? Maybe its my little female mind ignoring the “good” men.

    99% of normal, heterosexual men WANT attractive women.
    Since YOU claim that attractive women want the alphas, then where does that leave the ugly and overweight women? After them too? Sure why not. Whats it to you? Where are the men telling these women that those alpha assholes are just using them? Pump and dump right?
    Maybe an attractive woman would get your attention but a fugly woman you’d straight up ignore. I bet you wouldn’t give 2 flying f*cks if she was getting dumped by the assholes.

    Where do you get that women settle?
    If anything men settle after years of pumping and dumping the babes while ignoring the fat fatties, realizing that personality is what matters. Or if they’re not f*cking, they’re busy blaming women for not giving them the time of day when in reality its THEIR standards that’s keeping them from not having a woman.

    Im curious….at what age do women start losing their attractiveness? I’m gonna bet I’m younger than whatever BS age YOU and your ilk THINK.

    Sex and no commitment? Who says I’m looking? Supply and demand, no?
    Stop pumping and dumping and there wouldn’t be any used up hot babes you men want so badly.

    THINK ABOUT THAT.

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