Irrational Customs: Men Proposing to Women

While drinking some coffee at Starbucks today I overheard the same basic conversation between two sets of women. It went something like this:

Women A: My friend X is waiting for her boyfriend Y to pop the question. They have been a couple for ‘n’ years.. yada yada

Women B: So when do you think he will do it? My friend’s boyfriend Y1 popped her(X1) the question ‘m’ months ago when they were at ‘insert vacation destination’.

Now, I should be upfront that my views on the institution of marriage have always been a bit cynical. However some aspects of that institution are more bizarre and irrational than others.

Consider the commonly accepted custom that the guy should propose to the girl- preferably under some cheesy circumstances. We have all seen elaborate marriage proposals (both creative and cringe-worthy), especially in the era of YouTube and Social Media. While I have no interest in preventing people from making fools of themselves, one question about the whole concept of marriage proposals has always bothered me.

What is the logic behind a guy creatively begging some woman to marry him, when doing so puts him at a permanent disadvantage? Isn’t that a lot like dreaming up a creative way to get a painful and chronic disease?

Throughout human history, marriage has been the shortest route to dull and increasingly infrequent sex with an aging harpy. Today, it is also the fastest way to lose money and assets though child-support and alimony. Moreover, it is no longer an institution that offers men any real support or proof of achievement as they become old.

Marriage, as it exists today, is an institution devoted to transferring money and resources from gullible men to women without even the pretense of benefiting men in any shape or form.

However, we still keep on seeing creative marriage proposals by guys to women who has ridden dozens of cocks before ‘settling’ for them. A majority of those guys also, still, believe that marrying the woman they are proposing to will partially validate the supposed benefits of getting married. In contrast, women are interested in getting married because a] they are hitting the ‘wall’, b] her other friends have ‘done it’ and c] she requires a larger income to indulge her material appetite.

If we strip away the sentimentality and bullshit from modern marriage, one thing becomes painfully obvious. There is no real advantage or gain for a man in marrying a woman he is already fucking. Even if the couple break up, the guy can always find another woman to fuck or just pay for sex by the hour. Marriage, on the other hand, makes him financially and socially vulnerable- even if the couple stay together. The woman, on the other hand, benefits immensely from marriage because it gives her more resources and leverage over the man even as her physical appeal fades into obscurity. It is therefore the woman who really needs and benefits from the institution of marriage.

The customs around marriage are, however, still grounded in the belief that it is men who require marriage more than the women.

While there may have been some truth to this belief in the era before the sexual revolution, modern contraception and feminism; that is no longer the case. Today sexual access to willing women is rather inexpensive if you can convince them that you are a cool player. Furthermore the mainstreaming of safe and high-quality paid sex in most developed countries means that even average guys can get amazing sex at much lower per-fuck rates than marriage while simultaneously avoiding long-term commitments.

I would add my observation that women have no problem sexually servicing a ‘unpredictable, ‘violent’, ‘mysterious’ or ‘in-demand’ guy for years without any offer of marriage. They will however threaten the caring, responsible, bland and ‘educated’ guy with ultimatums for ‘popping the question’.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. December 27, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    having visited the dark side of the institution myself, and my experience hasn’t even been that bad, i just don’t see the point.

    “why buy the cow when the milk is free?”

    Maybe some men are stupid, desperate or naive enough to do that?

  2. P Ray
    December 27, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    I would add my observation that women have no problem sexually servicing a ‘unpredictable, ‘violent’, ‘mysterious’ or ‘in-demand’ guy for years without any offer of marriage. They will however threaten the caring, responsible, bland and ‘educated’ guy with ultimatums for ‘popping the question’.
    That’s because they know that complaining about the ‘unpredictable, ‘violent’, ‘mysterious’ or ‘in-demand’ makes him more in demand by other women … because he does not care about what they think AND he can replace her.
    On the other hand, the caring, responsible, bland and ‘educated’ guy will have the women on his side too (and you can bet the girlfriend knows women on his side of the family) pressure him to do so.
    It can be a time for men to make stupid decisions, when their own parents think the man is passing up on a reasonable deal.
    Problem: with all the risks men have to deal with through the dissolution of marriage, they need a “FABULOUS DEAL”.
    So parents who understand that modern women just want a mule to lie on after a bed of cocks, are necessary indeed.
    Thankfully, many men are now becoming more unreasonable in their dealings with women.
    Hence the arrival of all the “man up” articles, which indicates the message to “stay solvent, stay single, sample sex” is getting out.

  3. Matt
    December 27, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    These days, if a woman doesn’t come with at least a $100K dowry, why even consider marrying her?

  4. December 27, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    you drink coffee at Starbucks?

    haha

    Actually it was tea, but that is beside the point.

    • December 29, 2012 at 2:07 am

      While drinking some coffee at Starbucks today I overheard the same basic conversation between two sets of women. It went something like this: …

      He was drinking whiskey, causing memory loss and confabulation.

      • December 29, 2012 at 10:01 am

        I thought he only drank alcohol when visiting a prostitute for the vasofacilatory effects….

        anyways Creepster Diablo is pretty much proof that all those PUA theories are bunk. He’s laid more women than us, is more educated and mkes more money-so he should be “alpha” but her we are laughing at him….

      • December 29, 2012 at 10:38 am

        At his Ph.D studies, Advovaso Dilatori learned that one to two glasses increase the vasodilatory effect substantially during his indecent proposals.

        Game/PUA = Feminism + Scientology + Jersey Shore.

      • December 29, 2012 at 12:56 pm

        At least A.D. has the balls to leave up all comments critical of him, which is more than can be said for other “alpha” bloggers.

      • P Ray
        December 30, 2012 at 1:21 am

        Consider that him leaving the arguments up is just showing the type of people that choose to disagree with him – against apparent reality.
        But of course, the next thing to remember is:
        In a system where people are exhorted to do good,
        The bad leech off their efforts.
        This carries on until the people doing the good,
        notice that the people doing the bad get ahead.
        Cue people saying/talking/writing what is acceptable,
        and doing what benefits them personally.
        Expand it to include the whole of society,
        and enjoy the decline.
        Thanks to Advocatus, I realise some of my suspicions have been accurate, and the people telling me things were not so, were drinking out of that trough and didn’t want competition.

  5. December 27, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    anyways, the only reason to get married is if you want kids….

    supposedly, they will be “yours” however there are tons of stories where men are raising other men’s children and don’t even suspect it-scumbag male feminist Hugo Skeezer bragged about cuckolding another man…

  6. December 27, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    Matt :
    These days, if a woman doesn’t come with at least a $100K dowry, why even consider marrying her?

    aw, Matt, ya mean you aren’t gonna marry one of those womyn’s studies majors and clock overtime to pay her 100k in student loans???

  7. December 27, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    oh, and of course if you are in a “political” job like CEO, General or President, you need to have a wifey so they don’t think you are a creepster…

    • December 27, 2012 at 8:27 pm

      Yeah, the expectations of society.

  8. December 27, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    advipoops, the question begs to be asked…

    have any of your beloved prostitutes hinted that they wanted you to propose to them?

    I have became friendly with some of them, but that is as far as I will go.

    • December 28, 2012 at 7:21 am

      Advipoops Diapercrapoli indecently proposes to them every week.

      • EvilOne
        December 28, 2012 at 7:51 am

        Nothing wrong with a harem…

      • December 28, 2012 at 6:22 pm

        hahahahaha,

        Advipoops Diapercrapoli….

  9. Dillon
    December 28, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    “why buy the cow when the milk is free?”

    Actually milk is not free for most betas. Most betas have waited years for a relationship and can’t bear the thought of losing the pussy. Plus its their only realistic hope for having children.

    Life in the western world is lonely as it is and a gf is all most betas have. So when they are faced with the ultimatum, they naturally cave.

    Even there’s a lot of online noise being made about the marriage scam, I see no slowdown in marriage gullotine. Its easy to be a MGTOW when you aren’t getting any but it takes extraordinary strength to turn down your dream girl.

    The historically low, and still falling rates, of marriage in younger age groups (20-40) suggest otherwise. Also note the rapidly rising number of people who live by themselves in developed countries.

    Basically the system is set up for male exploitation and manipulation. There’s no easy escape.

    • P Ray
      December 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm

      If every man realises that every woman would like to exploit him without reciprocation,
      female entitlement would vanish overnight, as every guy would pointedly ask them: “What are you gonna give me to get that favour?”

    • Dillon
      December 28, 2012 at 6:17 pm

      The historically low, and still falling rates, of marriage in younger age groups (20-40) suggest otherwise. Also note the rapidly rising number of people who live by themselves in developed countries.

      I propose that falling rates are due to primarily women walking away from marriage instead of men.

      Women see more value in stringing along multiple betas and exploiting their resources instead of betting on one beta and going through awkward divorces. Plus they are already married to the State. The ultimate beta.
      —-

      Not so sure about that since co-habitation and short-term ‘relationships’ have displaced marriage in the younger age groups.

      • Dillon
        December 28, 2012 at 8:38 pm

        That’s what I’m saying. Serial co-habitation/ short-term ‘relationships’, serial and parallel dating are all more profitable than marriage to a modern young woman.

        They are convenient for women, not profitable.

      • Dillon
        December 29, 2012 at 8:31 am

        sure man

  10. December 29, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    The Plague Doctor :
    At least A.D. has the balls to leave up all comments critical of him, which is more than can be said for other “alpha” bloggers.

    hahahahaha,

    I’ve been banned from Fatt Horny’s bolg as well as PUgAy Rooshie Poohies….

    those “tough guys” are way more like feminists then they’ll ever admit, infact I’ve been banned at more monosphere places then feminist places….

    It is ironic that bloggers who talk about becoming ‘alpha’ have such a thin skin.

    • December 29, 2012 at 6:36 pm

      Captain Capitalism bans everyone who disagrees with him.

  11. David alexander
    January 5, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    You’re not cynical at all in this one,

    It’s a disgusted outdated ass backwards tradition to sacrifice your manhood. Power, freedom, choice to Fukk other chicks on the side and future for a person who is likely stupider, less appreciative, weaker, parasitical, and has very very little to offer in terms of aiding your personal growth. It’s bullshit and disgusting it should be the woman begging for the mans hand period.

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