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Escorts are a better deal than ‘real’ women- I

I have often said, on many other blogs, that using escorts is superior to relationships with ‘real’ women. I will try to summarize my main points starting with this post, the first in this series. Warning: The post has some philosophical content.

You might notice that this post is classified under ‘secular religions’. It stems from my view that the conventional ‘dating-girlfriend-wife’ paradigm is a secular religion. One of the hallmarks of a secular religion is that it requires followers to make sacrifices for concepts such as ‘common good’, ‘future’, ‘upholding ideals’ and ‘no pain no gain’ etc. It is noteworthy that secular religions from capitalism, socialism, nationalism to environmentalism require self-sacrifice from a large number of believers for the common good, but which (in reality) ‘benefit’ only a few.

My question to all believers in relationships with ‘real’ women is thus:

What desirable sensation can a ‘real’ relationship give you that an escort cannot?

Readers might be puzzled by my use of the construct ‘desirable sensation’. To understand my use of that construct, you have to first read my concept of reality. There are two overlapping types of reality, namely: the hard physical (light, heat, electromagnetic radiation, atoms, molecules, gravity etc) and the one our brains makes up (perception-sensation). Have you ever wondered if your brain perceives a blue sky, sandy beach or a red rose, in a manner identical to everyone else? or is your perception of those events uniquely linked to your neuronal wiring and experiences that modify it? How do you know what blue is, what justice is, what someone deserves? Hint: someone else tells you that..

Why would literate and educated Europeans burn people for witchcraft until ~ 300 years ago? How can humans kill other in the name of god, nation, race when they are very often not the beneficiaries of their actions? I can give you many other examples of human behavior that is supposedly rational according to its setting and prevailing belief system, but has no connection to observable and quantifiable ‘hard’ reality.

A lot of what we believe to be reality is a construct of our imagination, created by our brains to justify what supposedly exists, based on the authority of others. The ‘dating-girlfriend-marriage’ paradigm is one such construct.

The whole paradigm is based on certain concepts.

1. Success is measured by how many women are attracted to you (we make the goalposts, and shift them to our liking).
2. It is manly to…. (insert your favorite manipulative idea).
3. Only ‘real’ men do…. (insert your favorite slow suicidal activity).
4. You will not be respected if .. (anything that involves questioning of 1,2 and 3).
5. Do it for.. (insert appeal to kids, evolution etc)

My point is:

What is in it for me?

Humans are mortal, and save some unexpected event will remain so. Your ‘self’ is a result of your peculiar journey though life and, while there are others like you, it is still unique. Your ‘self’ will die with your physical body. Your descendants after a few generations will be nothing like you, if they are still human (or not extinct). Our ability to predict the future is pathetic at best.

So the best way to live is to do what makes ‘you’ happy. I said ‘you’, not your family, friends, coworkers, fuck buddy etc. Life is about making yourself happy, not pandering to the interests of others (beyond that necessary for survival or achieving your goal).

I have much to write, but find that most readers cannot concentrate on articles over 600 words long. So you will have to wait for my upcoming posts.

You can now read Escorts are a better deal than ‘real’ women- II

  1. gunslingergregi
    December 16, 2009 at 8:23 am

    ”””””The whole paradigm is based on certain concepts.

    1. Success is measured by how many women are attracted to you (we make the goalposts, and shift them to our liking).
    2. It is manly to…. (insert your favorite manipulative idea).
    3. Only ‘real’ men do…. (insert your favorite slow suicidal activity).
    4. You will not be respected if .. (anything that involves questioning of 1,2 and 3).
    5. Do it for.. (insert appeal to kids, evolution etc)

    ”””””””””””’

    Yea good stuff. Although the ability to sacrifice for real not the fake shit. Sacrifice for your own benefit to be free is the one that comes from within because no one advocates that. Everyone advocates getting rich quick though he he he

  2. December 16, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    I like the way you think. But, and it’s a big BUT, what you are advocating for is hedonism, and while I’m a fan, hedonism is best lived behind closed doors so to speak. Other humans do not like it when you are brazen with your hedonism, because…they HAVE bought some of those “necessary” constructs to keep whatever greater reality going (a nation, a race, a religion, a culture, etc.). In my experience, you are best off when superficially doing the cultural dance, but inside knowing you could do whatever you wanted, and you do those things, but at the same time rationalizing your behavior with some philosophical aspect of your group/culture.

    I am a mite surprised that someone calling himself the Devil’s Advocate would have to ask about why Europeans burnt witches. Believe it or not, people often like to rationalize excuses for their bloodlust. I don’t. I think killing is very natural, but it’s almost always not good for the killer in terms of utility.

    • Bill
      June 24, 2015 at 3:49 am

      When a guy sees escorts it is probably best not to talk about it. People view a guy who sees escorts as worse than a Neo Nazi. Women go ballistic over it. An abusive asshole who beats up his girlfriend is viewed in a more favorable light than a guy who sees escorts. I am just letting you guys know, this will be the reaction.

      • P Ray
        June 24, 2015 at 5:58 am

        Advocatus/dissention mentioned something like that in another post:
        dissention.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/the-dark-side-5/
        Some of you might still be under the impression that women who rejected me over the years had better options or higher standards. So read on..

        Note- All the women I talk about below were 4s, 5s and low 6s. Not a single one of those described below was a high 6, let alone a 7. In every single case the women, by their own admission, did not stop having sex with that guy. In most cases, they had either recently dated the guy in question or were still occasionally seeing him.

        1] Guy pissed in girls mouth while she was blowing him, and then proceeded to piss on her face.

        2] Guy pissed in closet of her parent’s house- in front of her parents.

        3] Guy had extensive scarring from third degree burns + lived on welfare.

        4] Guy who knocked her up later, was homeless.

        5] Guy broke into her house after an argument and destroyed her furniture, TV etc (a few).

        6] Guy had a kid with another woman, cheated on her and forgot to pick her parents at the airport.

        7] Guy had cerebral palsy but normal intelligence.

        8] Guy could not get it up more than once every two days.

        9] Guy cheated on her, or was cheating on her (very common).

        10] Guy had told her that there was no future in their relationship (a few).

        11] Guy had a serious criminal record (a few).

        12] Guy had ODed and almost died on more than one occasion + had shitty job (a few).

        13] Guy had serious gambling addiction (more than a few).

        14] Guy was in jail.

        15] Guy had deserted her after a brief affair and impregnation (a few).

        16] Guy ‘liked’ young children- if you get the drift (two).

        17] Guy was a bland 30-something guy, especially if the girl was non-white (many).

        18] Husband was no longer sexually interested in her (a few).

        19] Guy had borderline mental retardation but good-looking.

        20] Guy never had a real job in his life- above minimum wage (a few).

        Yes, my patient readers, these are the men who plain women chose to have sex with- over me. To say that this pissed me off during my dry spells, from 20-24, is a gross understatement.

        Women create their own trouble, then tell men “you’re supposed to help me out of trouble”.
        But …
        the men they ask to help them out of trouble
        are NOT the men she’s attracted to.

        Women go out of their way NOT to be a burden to a man she’s attracted to.

        She could be dying of cancer, yet will give you a BJ if she’s attracted to you.

        If she’s NOT attracted to you, you could have saved her child from a burning building, and she’ll piss on you.

      • June 24, 2015 at 6:52 am

        Bill,

        You brought up valid points, unfortunately. This past year in U.S. news, we’ve heard many sports commentators lose their jobs for seeing escorts – whereas womanbeaters do not receive the same scrutiny, unless he is black and male (Ray Rice, Chris Brown). White males, however, get away with the same shit or worse.

        Look at how long the media spent scrutinizing Tiger Woods. People acted as if he went on a rape rampage instead of enjoying the finer things in life. Charlie Sheen and Ben Rothlesberger (who plays for the Steelers) are seen as heroes or those who made mistakes.

        According to the average western woman, you should only be allowed to fuck the same tired old bitch for the rest of your life — unless she swindles your fortune first and divide it between herself, divorce attorneys and the state.

      • June 24, 2015 at 7:07 am

        P Ray,

        That blog topic is one of the 100 best written here. Now, I can easily say – like Thugtician on YouTube – that “If women are choosing losers over you, then that means you are proximate to them in terms of where you are in life. If you were an affluent man living in an affluent neighborhood, you’d be competing against other affluent men and the whole ‘thug’ issue would be a non-started for you. So, you’re clearly not the prize catch you think you are.”

        Or I can say that women love drama, which they do. If not real-life drama, then there’s tabloid drama, celebrity drama or talk show drama. Truth is, if a woman likes you, she won’t give you attitude. She will test you at times, hence a woman’s man-testing genes, but if she can’t stand you, she will either duck and dodge your or try to eradicate you. Even on social media, I’ve seen women having men do things for them, then later call them ‘stupid’ or ‘a fool’ for doing it. Giving them money via Western Union to supposedly pay her bills, take her out to eat, call her a ‘queen’… all that shit.

        Another thing about social media, the men who kiss women’s ass the most aren’t going to get any ass & pussy. They give it up to the most dominant top dog, the unpredictable, the asshole, the walking dick or the dude who is in high demand. This is what they respond to, for a very low financial price. It’s still not free, because of the drama that later ensues.

      • P Ray
        June 24, 2015 at 9:07 pm

        @Mr. Odessa
        A super-good example of a woman manufacturing drama – AND BEING CALLED ON IT.
        dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3137620/Grandmother-58-takes-London-streets-test-beauty.html
        Would this woman turn YOUR head? Grandmother, 58, who says her beauty stops traffic, tests her claim on London’s streets … with underwhelming results
        Last week Stephanie Arnott from Kent, 58, told FEMAIL she looks 35
        She also said her beauty has reduced men to tears and stopped traffic
        Today on ITV’s This Morning she put her looks to the test on the street
        Presenter Philip Schofield said: ‘You didn’t seem to cause a lot of reaction’

        Good old British understatement. I LOLed.

  3. Alkibiades
    December 16, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Hmm, This post sounds very familiar…I had a conversation with a guy years ago at a previous job that echoed all or most of these points you’ve made.

  4. Days of Broken Arrows
    December 17, 2009 at 12:44 am

    Great post! Very insightful. We often live within a contained paradigm we don’t question. Why is something wrong? Because police say it is? They also used to arrest men for being gay?

    That said, I want to advocate something slightly different: arrangements. Prostitues are risky because law enforcement is always “cracking down” (as I’ve said before on other blogs, white culture has moved from culture of innovation to a crackdown society).

    With an arrangement (or two, or three) you can pay a non-prostitute for sex without fear of arrest or disease or getting beat up by someone. Be careful who you choose for this. God-fearing women never can quite get over their guilt, so avoid Christians. A good telltale sign that a woman is willing to get in an arrangement is when she jokes about wanting such a thing. Jokes often give away who we really are. Again, good post.

  5. z
    December 17, 2009 at 1:22 am

    dissention,

    You are a very smart guy, and likely have full control of your impulses and have fully-developed future time orientation and can weigh the cost-benefit ratio of a new situation before acting much better than some ordinary Joe.

    If an average guy would rather just enjoy sex-for-money escorts instead of real gals, I think he’d be wise to literally make a budget for that and instill in himself that he needs to make an extra $1200-a-month to pay for $300-a-pop sex once-a-week. $300-a-week is going to come to a bit over 15K a year–which would buy a new car every year, or could have paid 60K on his house in five. I suppose a guy could cut a lot of corners on eating out, stay late for extra money at work, or get a little side job to make up the difference. Its something that would need to be planned for if one made ordinary money (20-50K per year is ordinary money).

    If a guy is a millionaire and has oodles of discretionary income and wouldn’t even miss 30K-50K a year……………then hell, I say go for it. He won’t miss it. I dont think escorts are for Joe Sixpack however as that would be an expensive hobby.

    I think, “for a treat” though, they can be a useful tool. For example, if a guy has a “big-tit” fetish and just wants to have a gal with humongous boobs a few times in his life, but has had no luck with those gals personally, then I’d think it much better than he go ahead and buy a few hookers with huge tits than to try for months on end to meet and seduce one. The same goes for guys who are into spinners, really tall chicks, super-bubble-assed girls, any particular ethnic girl that he wants to fuck or whatever.

    You do have a good economic point………….if a guy (assuming he gets paid for it) can put in a Saturday every week and use that day’s extra pay to buy a call girl, it would be just as economically effective than going out on two or three dates, losing 5-8 hours of his spare time, getting emotionally involved, when all he wants is one hour-worth of sex. I understand it completely.

    _________________________________________________
    AD here..

    300 $ hr with MSOG (Multiple Shots on Goal) * 6 = 1,800 $/ month

    So what is the going rate for alimony and child support for a guy earning 40-90 K/yr? And can you get enough sex in a stable or crumbling marriage? what about the quality of pussy?

  6. December 17, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    cs would be a obout 1100 a month on the 40k.

  7. dlr
    December 17, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    “One of the hallmarks of a secular religion is that it requires followers to make sacrifices for concepts such as ‘common good’, ‘future’, ‘upholding ideals’ and ‘no pain no gain’ etc. It is noteworthy that secular religions from capitalism, socialism, nationalism to environmentalism require self-sacrifice from a large number of believers for the common good, but which (in reality) ‘benefit’ only a few.”

    You are a genius. May I quote you on that?

    I agree with ‘Days of Broken Arrows’ though. ‘Arrangements’ (ie, a mistress, or mistresses) is probably a better deal both cost and risk-wise than escorts. And finding one isn’t as hard as you think. Look in the single’s ads for ads from women saying they are looking for someone who is ‘generous’ and ‘financially secure’. She is very likely looking for an ‘arrangement’, long or short term.
    Many of them will be ‘semi-pro’, and looking for someone or several someones to support them in exchange for sex. A very good deal for both sides if you ask me. (Individual results may vary).

    I think the whole marriage paradigm broke down when cheap, safe, and effective birth control became available. The big AIDS scare slowed it down for awhile (This no doubt is one of the reasons why the MSM and their co-conspirators worked so hard to mislead people with a bunch of hype about the risks of AIDS for heterosexuals), but stopping it is like trying to hold back the ocean.

    One problem to watch out for – people do tend to get very fond of people they have sex with regularly. No doubt this emotional response has evolved because it is beneficial (to our descendants).

  8. zyxxyz
    December 20, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    ITT, losers justify why they have to pay for sex.
    ________________________________________
    My own blog troll… I am honored.

    • Bill
      June 24, 2015 at 3:45 am

      Guys who can pay $300 per hour to an escort are not losers. They have good jobs and sufficient discretionary income. Either they are 1) Not enough of a Bad Boy, thug or asshole to attract the modern female or 2) Don’t have patience for women’s inasane demands and don’t want to jump through 500 flaming hoops. Also, you don’t sign the paychecks of these guys who are going to escorts. This means you are nothing to them and your views are meaningless. They can ignore you because you have no clout.

  9. July 17, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    What seems good at 20 may not be so good at 60.

    • P Ray
      July 18, 2012 at 10:00 am

      If you’re enjoying it, what do others’ opinions matter?
      More so if it’s legal and you paid for it.

    • 60 year old troll
      July 18, 2012 at 2:28 pm

      I applaud your having sex with 60 year old women. Convince your friends too. More 20 something escorts for me.

    • Bill
      June 24, 2015 at 3:56 am

      Just because you see escorts in your youth doesn’t mean you can’t find a woman later on. Escorts help you over the dry spells.

  10. July 17, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    And I applaud your using escorts. Convince your friends too. More women for me.

    • P Ray
      July 18, 2012 at 9:47 am

      Someone has to put up with them after.
      Does that make you a loser or a winner? P.S. Being her last choice, to my mind, is not a compliment.

    • Bill
      June 24, 2015 at 3:52 am

      Guys who see escorts will not get hit with a false rape accusation. Best case, you keep your liberty but are out $50K in legal fees. Worst case, you go to prison. Escorts a better deal? Absolutely.

  11. EvilOne
    • Bill
      June 16, 2016 at 5:27 pm

      There is no reason to impress an escort and if a guy tries he is crazy. That’s like trying to impress the mechanic who fixes your car. She is not going to be your girlfriend. You are paying her good bucks for an hour of hot sex. nothing more, nothing less.

  12. EvilOne
    January 1, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    What do you think of this Diabolicus?

    I am not surprised since my own experiences have been similar.

  13. Bill
    June 24, 2015 at 3:31 am

    Dating real girls is VERY risky these days due to the possibility of a false rape accusation. Bast case, it will cost you $50K in legal fees. Worst case, you go to prison and your life is ruined. Escorts a better deal? Absolutely

    • June 24, 2015 at 6:55 am

      I’ve mentioned that in a long-winded post I’ve written here…

      https://homeiswherethehateis.wordpress.com/2014/10/24/the-lesser-of-two-evils-02/

      • Bill
        June 24, 2015 at 6:02 pm

        Mr. Odessa, thanks for the article. With pros I like to do 1) Deep French kissing 2) Foot kissing/toe sucking and 3) cunnilingus. 1 and 2 are totally legal, #3 is not. I have found strippers in various clubs who are willing to do all three after their shift. If I were looking for an escort I would go into ‘the Erotic Review”. look for an escort who has reviews. You may need to go to one who is “Newbie friendly” or have referals from another provider. From what I understand after some talk and payment of the donation the escort with take you into the bedroom and ask you to “get comfortable.” this means get you totally naked. She will come in and still be dressed. A cop cannot make a bust in the nude. Then things “just happen.”
        Foot kissing and deep French kissing , as pleasant as they are, are NOT considered sexual acts, so it is legal to pay for them. You cannot catch and STD from Foot Fetsih. With kissing the girl will ceck your mouth for open sores and you should do the same. The other advantage is that , unlike sexual intercourse, you can take the entire hour and get your money’s worth. I would avoid Backpage escorts and stick to Eros.com or the Erotic Review where you can see the references.

    • George
      November 14, 2015 at 3:32 am

      That is why Mike Tyson should have used escorts.

      • November 14, 2015 at 7:34 am

        Him and a whole host of others. Look at all of the black athletes who are currently being rode by the media for domestic violence cases against their wives and girlfriends. But then again, most men are stupid and believe somewhere some woman will love him like his mother. But then there’s Tiger Woods (who wouldn’t have received that scrutiny if he remained single)…

  14. anonymous
    December 20, 2015 at 8:55 pm

    I disagree with this post, and I’m not a man feminist, I’m not a female, I’ve actually a very good amount of ‘working’ girls in my time. For precisely the reasons this post mentions. I was sick of women not following through on a lot of things and for personal reasons I’d rather not go into, I figured it that here, I knew what I was getting. I wasn’t even after sex, I was after positive interactions, but hey, in this new world we live in where its socially acceptable for women/people in general to cancel plans to hang out (even after a positive interaction where the woman GAVE me her number and I didnt even ask), whether it be a date or something less serious, I figured at least escorts would not cancel on me. In turn, I slept with some of the most gorgeous women that I had ever seen. I figured I made enough money to keep it going, and I was in it for a couple years, and I learned quite a bit from the hobby. A few things I took away from the experience, and directly addressing the above poster, because I had the same feelings he did.
    1. Most strikingly young, beautiful women who do this for a living have lots of unresolved issues – it usually comes out on the 3rd or 4th meeting. Girls have told me about being abandoned by their mom or being abused by their dad at a young age. Some I met showed me scars on their waist from getting cut with a knife by a client, others told me clients tried to choke them out – it was really, really sad stuff, and sick shit. And while I treated all of them with the utmost respect, I hated thinking they were going out, and putting themselves in dangerous situations, but I couldn’t do anything about it. Think about it: why would a young gorgeous woman choose this way of meeting guys when she can just go to a bar and meet anyone she wants?
    2. Like any red-blooded man, I was determined to sleep with the most physically attractive females I could find. And it felt great at first – but the sucky part was with the exception of some girls where we were half friends/half arrangement, we could never go do cool couple things – post photos online, take vacations together. I don’t deny for one second that a shitload of women have become super entitled in Western Society, and there are problems with dating/marriage, but the whole problem with this article it assumes, from the outset, that this is how every single woman will be in a relationship. That’s it not true, and it is a toxic mentality. There are some fantastic things about relationships, and I have experienced them first hand, I know its not all good, nor is it all bad. One time after seeing an escort, I went to a pool party thrown by a friend, who never, ever did what I did. I always thought he was a bit dorky, and when I showed up, I saw him throwing cute girls in the people, everyone was laughing, talking, I was literally caught off guard by girls just being nice to me. It really challenged the negative views I had carried against women for so many years. So yeah, of course have standards, just don’t assume the type of girl you want is not out there and that you have to assume the worst case scenario with every woman, because thats exactly what this article, and any article preaching escorts versus woman does. I have friends who have gotten married, and they are madly in love with their spouse, and they will raise children together, and of course, they have their ups and downs, but its not anything at all like this article describes. You don’t know what is out there unless you go look.
    3. I’m pretty much surrounded by women at work everyday, and naturally when you work with other people all the time, you get to talking and hanging out – sort of your second family. It was very interesting and I’ve become really cool with alot of them, and its really hard for me to say with a straight face all women seek to take advantage of men when getting married, when I’ve met some amazing, good hearted women at work who are happily married and it is totally not to give their husbands hell or anything like that. Or they are out their trying to date, just figuring it out like we are. Heck, one of them doesn’t even know HOW to hate if she tried. Again, if you assume the absolute worst about women all the time, it will show in your interactions. That’s true of assuming the worst about any group – women who do that are also fucking themselves over.
    4. The whole analogy of a date with a woman being a transaction to get sex is fucking ridiculous, and I don’t know why the hell so many guys say its a transaction. Are you fucking kidding me? You really think that buying a girl a meal entitles you to her physically in any way, shape or form? It entitles you to nothing, you should love the opportunity to go on a date and get to know someone to see if there is a spark. Thinking its a transaction is lower-level, low class thinking. Focus on being comfortable in your own skin and having fun with someone when you take them out. When I dated, I never, ever looked at buying a girl a meal as a way into her pussy. I just did it because dates are fun and I like going out. Oh and btw, when I did that, I saw the girl naked the very first night and easily could have fucked if I wanted to – cuz I didn’t show up thinking ‘i hope she puts out because i bought her a steak’ UGGGH. Plus, if you can’t afford 2-3 nice meals with a girl you see some real potential in, reevaluate your career, you should be able to do that with ease, just like going out with your boys on a cool night out. And above all else, DON’T go to a super fancy place on your first night out, there is no need to drop more than $40-$60 on a first date, and focus on presenting yourself well more than how much you spend. Doing anything more signals that you are desperate, and FOR SURE you won’t get laid.
    4. I’ll leave you with this: Do you have the means to see escorts on a regular basis? Most guys don’t, and believe me, even if you make a higher income, it can become very, very costly, and probably will take away from your ability to buy property, a nice car, and contribute to your retirement accounts. And that’s coming from a guy who never made donations except for their time, not sugar daddy status or anything like that. Are you ok with going to parties with friends and family and can never really discuss your dating life? Above all else, are you ok with spending your life alone as you get older? There is no right or wrong answer to this question, but you need to think long and hard about it. I know that when I saw friends who got married and they truly had found one, it really did make me question things. I disagree with the OP that one is better than the other, they are just different.

    • P Ray
      December 21, 2015 at 3:32 pm

      Let us know when you’ve attended your first divorce.

      Also:
      Women treat well … the guy who can easily replace them with another.
      In a sense – women “give the most” to the guy who can “abuse them the most”.
      They respect power, not agreeableness – unless they have lost their looks.

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