Altruism, Adversarialism and Women: 02

In this post, I am going to put forth an idea that many men may have briefly considered but never followed up.

The idea is:

Women, by default, are sociopaths.

While this stark wording might disturb some, consider my arguments for the concept.

Hare Psychopathy Checklist:

Factor1: Personality “Aggressive narcissism”

Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect
Callous/lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Why does that sound like almost every women you have ever met? Women have superficial charm, through their youth, makeup and small talk. Their grandiose sense of self-worth is well known, as it their manipulativeness. Lack of remorse and creating narratives that justify their actions are once again standard features of womens behavior. Their lack of true empathy and failure to accept responsibility for their actions is why most of you are reading this post. But wait there is more..

Factor2: Case history “Socially deviant lifestyle”

Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Poor behavioral control
Promiscuous sexual behavior
Lack of realistic, long-term goals
Impulsivity
Irresponsibility
Juvenile delinquency
Early behavior problems
Revocation of conditional release

To make a long story short, why does almost every point in the second list also sound like the behavior of your average woman if she is left to her devices?

Psychiatrists now use a different name for this condition- “Antisocial Personality Disorder”. While such behavior in men is often manifested in physical crimes, could it not be possible that “normal” behavior of women is sociopathic in nature, albeit at a less physical level.

I will leave you with a more “modern” definition of sociopathy:

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:

A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and the rights of others occurring since the age of 15, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;

Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;

Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;

Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;

Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;

Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;

Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

B) The individual is at least 18 years of age.

C) There is evidence of Conduct disorder with onset before age 15.

D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.

Deceit and manipulation are considered essential features of the disorder.

Therefore, it is essential in making the diagnosis to collect material from sources other than the individual being diagnosed. It is a requirement of DSM-IV that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria.

So what do you guys think?

The next part is here: Altruism, Adversarialism and Women: 03

  1. Talleyrand
    February 5, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    This is more accurate than any woman or society would accept.

    I find it interesting that criminal women tend to be diagnosed with “borderline personality disorder” instead of antisocial. Even the psychologists want to soft pedal female criminal behavior.

  2. Alkibiades
    February 5, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Interesting. I was thinking more along the lines of narcissism only as opposed to true sociopathy.
    ______
    I say.. outright classical sociopathy is encouraged by enabling men.

  3. Snap
    February 5, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    “This is more accurate than any woman or society would accept.”

    Fuckin’ rights.

    This blog article also supports this claim:

    http://malechauvinist.blogspot.com/2008/06/are-women-naturally-amoral.html

    I would agree in presuming that the only true morality women possess is when males arbitrate what is considered reasonable discourse in society.

    As we all know, women are all unabashedly conformist in nature as well.
    _______
    I have no uncertainty about their inherent sociopathy.

  4. February 6, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Dead on, AD.

    I believe it was Roissy who first referred to women as “sociopaths of convenience.” They look out for their interests first and foremost, damned be anyone else.
    ___
    I think the real problem is that sociopathy is their ‘factory setting’. The sysconfig file that comes with the device has default settings = sociopathy. It can be modified and rewritten, but that is about it.

  5. February 7, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    You obviously lack any first hand experience with sociopaths. As someone with experience in the mental health field, let me tell you – they are nothing like women. Dealing with a person characterized by a total lack of emotion is pretty much the opposite of what it feels like to interact with women.

    My advice – go find some better women. It sounds like you had some shitty experiences. But instead of becoming cynical (the hallmark of beta), you should work on becoming more selective. There are quite a few good girls out there, if you know how to handle them right.


    so you are a woman or an apologist for women?

  6. February 8, 2010 at 10:31 am

    so you are a woman or an apologist for women?

    I am neither.

    I even share some of your criticism. I just don’t think it helps to make outrageous claims. Take any other part of the DSM IV, and you will find your cartoon-ish picture of women in there. Here are the criteria for borderliners:

    1. frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment.

    2. a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.

    3. identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.

    4. impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating).

    5. recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior

    6. affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).

    7. chronic feelings of emptiness

    8. inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger

    etc

    You see women in there? So are they now sociopaths and borderliners at the same time? I could go on and work down the entire DSM IV with you to make my point, but all we are getting at is the problems that come with psychopathological classifications and not the problematic behavior of women these days.
    ____________
    A lot of behavior that is seen as normal in women is considered as pathological in men.

  7. February 8, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Normally I agree with 11 minutes analysis. And this is a pretty bold position of yours.

    And yet it’s creepy how many checkboxes I can mark off through personal experience.

  8. February 9, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Chewing on this a little more, I think I would clarify that these sociopathic behaviors emerge when something is at stake, a fork in the road that requires an easy or hard path, and self interest is invoked towards the easy path, with little regard for an alternative.

    Outside of that, yes, female companionship can often be pleasant.
    __________
    Would you buy and drive a car that was almost certain to badly injure you, once every few thousand kilometers.

  9. Fluffzig
    September 2, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Hi, I’m a 38yr old widower, who has had relationships with women both good and bad.

    I think you’d have a completely water-tight argument, if it weren’t for the fact that the psychopathic/sociopathic behaviour above also describes a large number of men I’ve known over the years.

    So,..if you want to change your argument to something like: “I think there are far more psychopaths in our society than are currently diagnosed…” then I’d agree wholeheartedly.

    In closing,…you score a 10/10 for your adversarialism,…good luck on trying to bridge the gender gap with your theory,…oh no, sorry, that’s the exact opposite of what you want to achieve isn’t it?

  10. October 21, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    Truth be told, ANYBODY can be a sociopath. In western societies, we celebrate sociopaths. Be it Trump, O.J., “The Joker”, Tony Montana, the cops, rap musicians, vampires, BDSM Doms, ideological hypocrites, “thugs”, etc… Sociopath-like behavior DOES get shit done and sociopaths attract OTHER sociopaths. You can accept it or not, but there’s nothing we can do about it.

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