Altruism, Adversarialism and Women: 08

In my previous post on this topic, I had talked about why escorts are often a better deal than relationships with women (LTR, STR, fuckbuddy, hookups). This post will introduce another concept-

Any ‘non-paid’ sexual relationship with a woman is a three card monte game.

You are the “mark”, she is the “con” and society is the “shill”.

Let me explain the analogy:

You see, it does not matter how tall you are, how educated you are, how white you are, how family minded you are.. it is never enough, even if the woman looks like a decrepit POS. She will just let you win a few times, fuck her often enough while pretending to be in love with you (validating you etc). She might even fool herself for some time. But that period will be soon over, and then you will see her true colors.

It will start with lesser sex, more arguments, more tantrums, more BS.. and end with either her making your existence miserable or leaving you for another “mark”.

You might think that game will help you.. WRONG! Game can get you sex, and it may even buy you more time in a LTR. But it will never cancel the inevitable.

The inevitable end is either a miserable existence or abandonment. All her proclamations of love, fidelity, the size of your penis, height, smell, manners are worthless.. she won’t remember them in a few years or months. The validation from seducing a woman is equally worthless- do you raise your own chickens and pigs for eggs and bacon? Does a nice omelet with fried bacon taste any better because your raised your won food? Think about it.. is the urge to eat conceptually any different from the urge to have sex? Does an earthworm or insect enjoy sex less than you? If anything, their brains feel it more intensely than yours.

You can believe the “shills” and play Three Card Monte, but you will not come out ahead. Even if you think you can win it, you are playing by the rules of the “con”. Google the term ‘calvinball’, the rules change according to needs of the “con”. You are just the latest “mark”. Most “marks” get conned because they think they are smarter than the “con”. Whether it is gambling, contracts or relationships with women, a delusion of invincibility will screw you over.

I have heard many men say “Oh.. I can get ‘free’ sex, maybe there is something ‘wrong’ about you”. Here is a newsflash: I don’t care about your opinion about me. I live for MYSELF, and am not interested in gaining acclaim from “shills” or “cons”. Such acclaim is very easy to gain if you throw some money around, or are willing to hurt people. It is however useless, and cannot buy you anything when you need it badly.

If you are interested in hearing some validation, use a well reviewed semi-pro. It is so much cheaper.

More in another post on this topic.

  1. Days of Broken Arrows
    March 4, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Another great post. Interesting take on sexual relations.

    But again I want to raise the issue of “arrangements.” Have you or any of the readers engegd in “soft prostitution,” where you pay a non-pro for sex. I know at least two women who recently volunteered to me the fact that they did this. So it has to be going on. Anyone engaged?

    It is better than marriage or living together.. the long term cost per fuck/ suck is lower if you pay for it upfront. Plus you can change to younger models as the older ones rust..

  2. the dude
    March 5, 2010 at 4:44 am

    imagine your game is tight, needs small monetary budget, and you approach the inevitable as you frame it. why not catch the next ride and finita la musica.

    Two scenarios-

    1. Why not routinely bang a woman based your whims.. say you want to bang a woman who looks like Megan Fox on Thursday night and another one who looks like Hillary Duff on Sunday morning by just making a phone call. Total cost per Fuck (like Total Cost of Ownership) is important as is flexibility and choice.. because next week you might want to bang someone who looks like a south american model.

    2. It is difficult to get a 20-something when you are 60, but modern drugs + lifestyle allows you have good hard erections at 60. Why should you settle for a 40 year old woman, when you can pay for a 20-something?

  3. Alkibiades
    March 5, 2010 at 11:18 am

    Very astute observations. I concur on the inevitable arc of a relationship.

  4. required name
    March 9, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Good post.

    You are surprisingly unread, in relation to the quality of your posts.

    You should advertise yourself more.

    I think that most people have too short an attention span. Who wants to read a few thousands words when all they need is a paragraph or two supporting their favorite hobby horse?

  5. required name
    March 9, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Also, you need to have kids.

    You need to raise the intelligence of the next generation.

    • joesantus
      February 18, 2015 at 7:32 am

      Regrettably, there’s no guarantee that one’s specific brain-wiring (and the intelligence, temperament, and critical-reasoning potential that goes with it) will be inherited by one’s kids.

      And even if it was guaranteed that kids would receive one’s same brain-wiring, it’s naive if not inane to believe that a father can instill his worldviews and values into his children, especially if the kids are born with the capacity for critical thinking. For critical thinkers, worldviews and values develop through experiencing life and life’s realities, from observation of and interaction with people and situations. For a critical-thinker, “just because Dad says so” carries little weight and makes insignificant impression. As a once-naive young father myself, and as a man who’s always been a critical thinker, at age 59 now, I recognize that about my own all-now-adult kids.

      AD wouldn’t think as he does if he hadn’t experienced life. If he had kids, they’d have to experience life for themselves in order to arrive at the same conclusions AD has.

  6. required name
    March 9, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I don’t want the world to descend into apes.

    A few years ago, I was considering getting a vasectomy. Now, I am trying to find a way to have as many kids as possible, with an intelligent woman.

    • joesantus
      February 18, 2015 at 8:09 am

      I sincerely hope you changed your mind and got the vasectomy.

      • February 18, 2015 at 1:18 pm

        Tell his ass. My stepfather got his, I’ll get mine soon. I chickened out on mine years ago only because of the pain and what I’ve been informed about how certain doctors are not to be trusted, especially when it comes to the sex lives of brown men. You don’t have to worry about being set up with pregnancy scares.

        But it’s one thing to get a chick pregnant. STDs are something different. Still can’t go up in everybody with no shield!

    • P Ray
      February 18, 2015 at 10:28 am

      Now, I am trying to find a way to have as many kids as possible, with an intelligent woman.

      Be sure that the kids you are having with a woman, are really “your kids” and not “her kids with Chad Thundercock, that you are raising”.
      Paternity fraud is growing
      apparently paternity TESTING is illegal.

      Just like virginity testing,
      the majority women get married in white …

      so who’s on the cock carousel then?

  7. P Ray
    February 18, 2015 at 2:39 am

    “Everybody knows” that “women are not racist”

    • P Ray
      January 6, 2019 at 8:01 pm

      “Everybody knows” that “women are not racist”


  8. P Ray
    February 19, 2015 at 7:55 am

    Useful ebook.
    Lots of disturbing ideas that I talked about are there,
    “Women ask for compensation from guys that they don’t find hot”
    “Women have different standards towards the guys they don’t find hot”.
    Great minds think alike it seems.
    Pandora’s Box. The Men’s Sexual Revolution.pdf

    • P Ray
      February 19, 2015 at 7:55 am

      “disturbing” of course, to the whiteknights, bluepills and the mercenary women.

    • joesantus
      February 19, 2015 at 10:36 am

      “Women ask for compensation from guys that they don’t find hot”
      “Women have different standards towards the guys they don’t find hot”


      Anecdote from my 59-year-old perspective:

      I’m not at all one of the 5’10”-plus, black or white, “women-get-wet-over-me” types…I’m just an average-looking white 5’8″.

      However, i’m a lifelong-drugfree bodybulder (since age 16) who, although stuck with poor genetics for gaining muscle by bodybuilding standards, still, even at age 59, has the washboard-abs/athletic build which most women deem ‘”attractive”.

      Also, my wife and I (married 35 years) have had what amounts to an open marriage for the past two decades (my wife has always been “different” thinking than other women and we finally realized why only about five years ago — she has Asperger’s, which shifts brain-processing of life away from emotion wiring and funnels it all through the rational wiring of the brain — meaning, she thinks and reasons more like a man than like most women; consequently, she’s always approached sexuality and relationships from a rational/objective/logic perspective that brings her to conclusions much like men’s). Consequently, I’ve had (and have) many extra-marital sex partners. I live rurally, so the majority of my playmates I meet through websites.

      I have profiles on websites (as a free user) which allow men to post as married (I make my open-married status clear on my profiles, right in the first sentence; disclosure avoids drama, plus it indicates about me what women think they like, “honesty”). I NEVER pursue any women on any of those sites — rather, I literally let them find and approach me. I always have current photos of my self — my face, and, my naked body so they can see what shape I’m in.

      The over-40s who approach me eventually confess that it was my body that attracted them (which is unsurprising, after all, because how many guys over 40 still have a washboard?). One quipped that it was having a guy with the maturity of a 55-year-old in the body of a 25 year-old. By the way, if you’re wondering..(I’m patient and slow about meeting any woman online, by the way — I screen and evaluate carefully, for everything. No need to embroil myself in a scintilla of stress or trouble.)

      I make clear at the outset that I’m not paying for anything — that I’m not coming over to fix their leaky faucets, not paying to travel to them, not paying for motel rooms, not taking them out to eat, not giving them cards nor flower, and only spending time with them when it’s convenient for me. Zero expense on my end, except for the few miles I drive to a local motel to meet them (in an area where I shop so often go to anyway).Yep, you read all that correctly. So…THEY do the traveling…THEY pay for the motels…they buy their own dinners. And, they do it it for months.

      My point in all this, finally — THESE WOMEN ESSENTIALLY PAY FOR ME.

      The reason (in my obviously very-unusual-and-anomalous situation) these women do it?

      Because, women DO have different standards for guys. When women do find a guy hot and genuinely desire to have sex with him, not only do they not want compensation, but rather, they’re sometimes even willing to pay all the costs themselves.

      And, NOOOOOO, I didn’t enjoy this situation before I was age 40. I was ignored by most women for the “alpha-studs” before then. My turn came only because I happen to love bodybuilding and by default kept myself looking fit long after most of those guys, who were more-easily getting laid in their pre-40s, have let themselves deteriorate physically.

      So, I’ve experienced both sides of this, first as a guy who had to do the paying, and now as a guy whom women will pay for.
      Women damned well do have different standards for guys they consider “hot” and guys they consider “not”.

      • joesantus
        February 19, 2015 at 11:14 am

        Oh, for any who wonder about the “I’m pregnant” issue — I had a vasectomy over 10 years ago,

  9. October 16, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    Had to reread this one. Females, by nature, are fickle and aren’t committed to shit. If they DO commit to something, you cannot trust them.

  10. P Ray
    June 10, 2018 at 9:24 pm

    When women talk about “respect”, it is actually …
    deference, favours and obedience from guys they’re not attracted to.

    If you are an attractive man, she will make sure those ideas don’t apply to you.

    • P Ray
      June 10, 2018 at 11:48 pm

      And the inevitable follow-up for the girl that maintains double-standards and lies to regular/ugly guys about it:

      “I wish I was joking. One of my friends is engaged to this 3/10 at best. He found out he was being cucked in the worst way. His fiancée (the 3/10) was sent to the ER tonight because she slit both of her wrists after finding out the Chad she was cheating with fucked her 6.5/10 friend.
      Does it get worse than this?”

      [–]eredin_breac_glas 7 points 4 hours ago
      Wait. So a girl tried to commit suicide because the man she was cheating with cheated on her?
      [–]parheticpathetic[S] 10 points 4 hours ago
      You read that right. And apparently the dude made it VERY clear she was just a hole to fuck and he would be hooking up with other girls. She kept fucking him because “I have a fiancé so I probably won’t care!”

  11. P Ray
    September 16, 2018 at 4:59 am

    “Redpill” women are only sluts looking for a better deal, and you only matter to a girl if you’re her first. Otherwise, they’re just damaged people looking for someone else to take the blame.

  12. P Ray
    October 2, 2018 at 7:33 am

    In the wise words of a former President,
    Its better for a man to be stingy with his money because he hustled for it than a woman to deny you a hole she didn’t drill. – Robert Mugabe

  13. P Ray
    January 19, 2019 at 3:01 am

    For a regular/ugly guy, Advocatus’ post is absolutely on point.
    The only way a guy can reasonably not be cheated on is playing D&D (not Dungeons and Dragons – Dependency & Dread) … as fear is what keeps a lot of women in line.
    Here’s what someone has to say about that:
    I’ve been told these abusive guys are the masters of deceiving, otherwise girls wouldn’t touch them with a 10 foot pole. There have been numerous studies which showed that once you grow taller than 6′, have a full head of hair and an American Dad like jaw, you can suddenly easily hide all of your mental flaws from women.

    In reality, half of girls are so imbecile that they ignore when a hot guy acts toxic because “he looks good, he can’t be a bad guy”, the other half are completely aware of the fact that they are dating an ass, but they would rather stay with him and take the abuse than to touch a person who is below 7/10. This is the literal truth, no matter what other people say, every abusive relationship I’ve seen in my life reinforces this idea: they stay with the guy because he is attractive.

    Also, walking out of an abusive relationship is insanely difficult. Most hot guys can actually brainwash you with their brain waves and make you call them up and have sex with them. So you really can’t blame women who keeps coming back to their abuser, they are the victims of attractive guys who psychologically control them with their tallness and handsome face.

    Still waiting for someone to explain to me why they “deserve equal rights” when “the future is female”.

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