On Bad Faith: 6

After your enormous response to the ‘Lisa D’ posts, it would be worthwhile to explore an issue at the core of that problem, namely- race.

If you have read all three post about ‘Lisa D’, it will be obvious that she was flirting with me. A woman lucid enough to talk about her life and smiling while your hand is rubbing her bare butt and playing with her G-string is attracted to you. So why did her attitude change the next day? and what does it have to do with this post?

The short answer is: She acted in bad faith (expected), and I returned the favor (unexpected).

The reasons behind her behavior are complex, but driven by one factor- perceived status. So what aspect of my status was not good enough for her after sobering up? While ‘race’ may be the simpler answer, the more complex answer is: She is part of a society that is still invested in the idea of a perpetual and ‘natural’ white supremacy. Even though measurable and quantifiable evidence says otherwise, she believed that a mediocre white guy with a retail-type job was socially desirable over one who had more education than both her parents combined and was attractive to her (note physical escalation and approval).

Such behavior cannot be explained through reason, because it based on magical thinking. But it is hardly a monopoly of gals like ‘Lisa D’, and is found in people ranging from ‘scientific experts’, ‘historians’ to ‘famous thinkers’ etc. Read about the convoluted logic (or lack thereof) that characterizes HBD, or how facts are manipulated, altered and misrepresented to present a more white-friendly interpretation of events.

Gals like ‘Lisa D’ are only mindless low-level followers of an ideology espoused by more educated people.

But the universe operates irrespective of human wishes, and transitory luck + chance are not indicative of real ability. I have touched on this before.. so let me talk about the consequences of this behavior by starting with an anecdote.

Consider my attitudes towards the inhabitants of three countries: UK, Germany and France. More than a few of my ‘unpaid’ gals were brits, 2-3 were german and none were french, inspite of hitting on an almost equal number of gals from those countries. There are reasons why brit gals had little problems with my race.. but that is not the issue.

The real issue is: When you are getting it on with reasonably sober ‘unpaid’ gals, and enjoying it, your attitude about them changes.

You no longer see them as stereotypes, numbers or caricatures. The mutual vulnerability makes it almost impossible to see them as less than human. You may dislike them, hate them later or even want to smack them around. But you can no longer ignore that they are essentially human, just like you (even if you saw them as caricatures before).

It is hard to dehumanize a gal who is biting a pillow, and curling her toes, when you doing her from behind. It is just as hard to dehumanize a girl who drools over your neck, when she is asleep, after an exhausting session.

Any consensual sex, beyond a one night stand or very brief STR, makes it almost impossible to ever see the other person as not human.

So how does this play into the future of the west, attitudes of white women etc? Easy.. think about the converse. If you cannot get reasonably easy ‘unpaid’ sex with a member of an identifiable group, you can dehumanize them with ease.

Once you dehumanize a group, you will not (and cannot) act in good faith towards them.

As long as whites constituted the majority of the working age population of western countries, they could get away with pretty shoddy treatment of non-whites. The technology gap between the west and other countries also contributed to this behavior. As some of you might have realized, that era is over. But attitudes have not kept up with reality.

I have said before that the resilience of a system, not its hardness, determines survivability. Most whites still think that non-white behavior (towards them) will not change in an abrupt manner. While they may offer a number of clever reasons to support this viewpoint, all of their mental models are based on a steady-state assumption. Let me rephrase that: Many believe that the changes will be gradual, instead of sudden and unpredictable with multiple tipping points.

It is my prediction that unconscious/low-level bad faith by non-whites might be a far bigger problem for the future of the west than outright conflict. The former are far more corrosive and harder to detect/ confront than the later, because they slowly degrade the system. A rigid system without resilience/cohesion cannot withstand unexpected events or behave in a predictable manner.

Simply put: A non-white guy or woman having average ‘unpaid’ sex with a white woman or man is far less likely to see them as dehumanizable adversaries.

Any comments? More in a future post..

  1. c-bang
    June 9, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Are you saying escorts can set you free?

    It helps a lot with the sex part.

    But every pro- and semi-pro gal you use makes you lose a bit more empathy for unpaid gals who refuse to sleep with you.

  2. 20:16
    June 10, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Or she was just drunk.

    Ya, but she was not that drunk.

    I hate it when non-whites think any negative behavior by white people is because of race or racism. They go on about white supremacist thinking and societal racism and so on and so fort. Just like feminists keep bitching about patriarchy and misogyny.

    Don’t worry, you will have adequate opportunity to voice your opinion when things switch over.

    I have personally gotten so tired of both of these groups that even when I encounter some real racism or sexism I feel no sympathy. I honestly don’t give a fuck anymore. I’ve been told all my life I’m racist sexist pig so I might as well act like it.

    Ironically, younger white men are not especially racist. Women, on the other hand, are.

  3. rightsaidfred
    June 10, 2010 at 6:01 am

    A lot of white guys have been treated the same by Lisa D. types. Racism may be part of it, but I think you make too much of it.

    I am not so sure about that.

    Whites have been far more forgiving and have acted in better faith than most any other race.

    It is in your best interest to do so.

    I’m not saying they have been perfect, but who else are you going to call? An Arab? A Nigerian?

    The resilient societies you envision are probably going to be organized along ethnic and racial lines.

    Nope, stratified societies are especially fragile and failure prone.

    Cries of racism might doth be a protest too much in the grand scheme of things.

    I have feeling you might sing a different tune in 5-10 years.

  4. Adam
    June 10, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Still sucks that that chick backed out on you like that.

    Oh well, just had to spent some extra money on sunday for one of my regulars- if you know what I mean.

  5. Russel
    June 10, 2010 at 11:44 am

    I don’t care about the system as it stands today, so arguments for keeping it going by threatening its collapse if non-white men can’t have unpaid sex with white women is unconvincing.

    I am just stating the obvious.

    Let’s tell white women that and get their response. That should be entertaining.

    I can see that you still care about the opinion of women. Never mind..

    I agree there will be more racial conflict but I don’t think it will get that bad.

    WWI was only supposed to last 6 months, and not cause any major upsets in the status quo.

    Too many people of all races have too much invested in the future that can be created by technology to sabotage it overly.

    Yes, they are unlikely to do it overtly, but lack of social cohesiveness can achieve far more.

    The mild sabotage in the future will be coming from many different sources, including from whites.

    Your impact is rather limited in the current world. It used to matter a lot.. now you are just another factor.

    My prediction is that bad faith by whites will be an equally big problem; they have increasingly less reason to support the system, too.

    Demography + economic paradigms are working against you.

    Tipping points are by their nature very unpredictable. They can cut both ways.

    Yes, but the direction of change is far more predictable than its extent.

  6. Mike
    June 10, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    I hate it when non-whites think any negative behavior by white people is because of race or racism.

    Get real. I live in Silicon Valley. It’s loaded with very nice, high-income earning engineers who can’t get dates. Why? Their proportions are fine. Their looks are fine. Their personalities are fine.

    The problem is that they are Indian.

    When is the last time you saw a white woman with an Indian?

    Flings and STRs are easy, but anything that involves being seen in public is problematic.

    The only place where racism is socially acceptable is on the dating market. If you Google around, you’ll see that, to attract white women, non-whites must earn substantially more money just to be on a level playing field as a white male.

    I just stick to getting pussy, and that is easy.

    Would you rather be an Indian software engineer at Google or a flunkie at a T-Mobile cell phone kiosk? If you want to date white women, you know damned well who you’d rather be.


    • P Ray
      September 23, 2015 at 11:46 am

      The only place where racism is socially acceptable is on the dating market. If you Google around, you’ll see that, to attract white women, non-whites must earn substantially more money just to be on a level playing field as a white male.

      This is the study you’re talking about:
      For equal success with an African-American woman, a Hispanic man needs to earn an extra $184,000; a white man needs to earn an additional $220,000.

      For equal success with a white woman, an African-American needs to earn an additional $154,000; a Hispanic man needs $77,000; an Asian needs $247,000.

      For equal success with a Hispanic woman, an African-American man needs to earn an additional $30,000; a white man needs to earn an additional $59,000.

      For equal success with an Asian woman, an African-American needs no additional income; a white man needs $24,000 less than average; a Hispanic man needs $28,000 more than average.

  7. June 10, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    I’m just going to assume you’re Indian from now on.

    This sort of bad faith isn’t just exclusive to white women. Asian women, Chinese women especially tend to favour a white man of lower means over a wealthy Chinese man, and it’s not just about getting a free trip to the States. White supremacy has encompassing effects.

    And that is precisely why I would never date an asian woman. The attitude stinks..

    Having said that, the gig for whites is up. They just have to accept it, which will happen- one way or the other.

    • Redpill
      June 10, 2010 at 3:52 pm

      Asian girls are only fun when they charge by the hour…

      Yep, that is sadly true.

      • Y
        June 10, 2010 at 10:54 pm

        damn that is harsh…shit.

        Anyways Dali isnt lying. I read a Columbia study on IR dating and Asian women who participated in the study were more partial to white men that made LESS money than to Asian men of better means. If I am not mistake black and Asian men had the same chances of getting with an Asian female.

  8. Mike
    June 10, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    This sort of bad faith isn’t just exclusive to white women.

    White women are the worst about this. They are the most racist. I have no sour grapes, either, as I was born lucky enough to be white, have a full head of hair, blue eyes, and good height and bone structure.

    As long as I stick to flings, STRs and semi-pros, ‘unpaid’ sex is easy.

    I see the way white women treat very nice Indian men, and it outrages me. These are quality guys. Yet women always complain, “Where have all the good men gone?”

    They will learn the hard way.

    Meanwhile, these women date losers and assholes who work at T-Mobile kiosks. I know several software guys making $120,000+ who can’t get dates. Again, these are legitimate dudes with good personalities who would worship the white princesses. Oh well.

    They have to find the hard way..

    I disagree with the Devil’s Advocate that there’s going to be some anti-white revolution.

    Nope, there won’t be any revolution. The system will degrade to the point where it is non-functional.

    I do, however, empathize with his sentiment. He’s been treated unfairly and in bad faith his entire life. So, to repeat a question he often asks: Why care?

    The answer is: He shouldn’t care.


  9. Mike
    June 10, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Having said that, the gig for whites is up.

    That’s a big overbroad. The gig is up for old whites, and white women.

    Yes, but look at white demography. These two groups constitute the majority.

    I’d say that most white men my age or below, however, would agree with just about everything you write.

    and I have no issues with younger white men either.. If anything, I am sympathetic to their problems providing they are are to mine.

    Have you read, “The Average American Male”? It’s a first-person narrative about the typical 20-something white guy. You’d see a lot of yourself in the protagonist.

    Ironic, isn’t it. 😉

  10. June 10, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    I dunno man, you got rejected by a white fatty; that doesn’t mean this is all about race. It mostly means your game is bad.
    I am not stupid.

    Plenty of non-whites do just fine with white girls. You show your hand way too quickly; women need to be eased into this sort of thing.

    I used to do that.. did not work for me. The more direct approach results in a hit or none at all.

    On the few occasions where your admission of whore mongering works, it works by accident (aka it comes off as cocky-awesome, rather than creepy or insecure).

    But you see, it does NOT have to work. I am not kidding about escort use, so it a statement of fact- Either her or a Whore.

    When it don’t work, it is obvious why it doesn’t work. You’re expecting non-pros to take your shit like a professional; the world don’t work that way.

    They don’t have to.

    It probably does in nations where there is a caste system, but … western civilization ain’t like that so much.

    The gigs is up for western civilization, in its current form.

    You do have some grasp of the caste system in America: you should go after working class broads, because you have much higher status than them.

    That cunt was working class by any definition.

    Some chubby young chick in a blockbusters could very well have much higher status than you, if she’s in college. If you don’t DHV, you will fail.

    Oh, she knew what I was.. so that is a moot point.

    I will fail too, and I’m whiter and much more high status than you (own my own biz, got a Ph.D., etc).

    Nope, that is just like me.

  11. June 10, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    I’m just pointing out that you could save some dough and get a higher hit ratio with a slightly less brutal approach.

    Tried that, but it does not work too well. Escorts are cheaper, and better, than supplicating such women

    If you don’t care, you don’t care, but it’s obvious you’re cheesed off when some half baked slag rejects you. It don’t take a lot more finesse; just an adjustment in timing and presentation, really.

    The way I see it, either she fucks or I fuck her over.

    FWIIW; most of my Indian pals out here have white GFs or wives. Being relatively rich and manly makes you a hot commodity in Silly Con valley.

    I am not interested in LTRs. They are just not worth it.

    I don’t disagree with you that Western civ is doomed, but it’s not because we’re mean to Johnny Foreigner.

    You still cannot see the connections, can you?

    • June 11, 2010 at 2:27 pm

      You know, you can’t really fuck a girl over unless she’s in love with you. The douches I’ve been rude to have mostly forgotten me (though I occasionally manage to make an impression).

      My experience says otherwise.

      No, I don’t see the connections, because I don’t have your sense of ressentiment, nor do I think it is particularly important, no matter how widespread it might be.You should go read some Kishore Mahbubani on the decline of the West. It makes more sense than the idea that the West must decline because fat poor broads don’t subscribe to AD’s vision of caste systems.

      Who cares?

      I still maintain your lack of success is brought of misunderstanding of American caste systems.

      Bite me

      You can’t just chuck money at some chick working in a blockbuster and expect sex: you need game for that -to convince her that you have a higher social status than she does.

      It is about choices and consequences.

      Expecting that to work, is like me expecting to be able to pee on a Brahmin for a dollar because I did it with a Dalit once.

      hey, you left cow and curry out of your stereotyped rant.

  12. Redpill
    June 10, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Western civ in it’s current form is doomed because of the poisonous fruits of feminism and the fact that The old
    social contract is no longer valid.

    and there is an unwillingess to correct course, to better reflect reality

  13. rightsaidfred
    June 10, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Let’s look at it from Lisa D.’s point of view: all you offered her was a pump and dump. Why should she go for that?

    Read the transcript again. I did not ask for sex.

    Maybe she deserves some credit. You are obsessed that she might “do” a guy of lower value than you. Seems to me that is her problem, and she can suffer the consequences of that on her own, but you’re inclined to add your own punishment as if you are some grand arbiter of who deserves what.

    Look, she could have easily said- “Hey, I remember you. Let me buy you a coffee”

    Was that so hard?

    Your prescriptions (buy sex, screw over White people) are juvenile.

    But are they effective?

  14. Vincent Ignatius
    June 10, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    I’m not white, but I’ve done well with white girls.

    Vincent, so have I- but that is not the point. Getting 5-8 gals average gals/yr is very easy for me- but forget anything 7 or above.

    Am in my very early 30s and had about 100 ‘unpaid’ gals since 20, but the quality has been mediocre. Hence my preference for pro- and semipro- gals.

    Also, getting a 6, or above, to convert to an LTR is almost impossible.

    The vast majority of the girls I’ve fucked have been white. Race isn’t that important, though it probably hurts me a bit. The difference between us may just be a matter of pessimism vs. optimism.

    You don’t get it, do you? Look man, it is the lack of ease and quality of ass. If I was white, could easily get at least two new, 6-7 or above, ‘unpaid’ gals a month. Instead I have to deal with gals like ‘Lisa D’ and their attitudes.

    Race is more important in some countries/cultures. In Cyprus, forget it. Girls gave me a ton of subconscious IOIs, but banging them was next to impossible. Here in Israel, they’re used to immigration from different races and ethnicities, so the girls are easy to talk to.

    • Vincent Ignatius
      June 10, 2010 at 11:34 pm

      I’ve had quite a few girls as attractive as your M1 model.

      That type of body is not too hard to find. Her face on the other hand was in the top 2%. So I am going to call BS on this one, unless you have pictures

      Seems like quality to me. In the US, an escort of that caliber would be too expensive.

      The US is not escort friendly, but 7-8s are freely and cheaply available in most countries.

      Just so that you know, I have averaged a new escort per week for 4 years (2002, 2003, 2004 and 2009) and never gone below 15 new escorts per year since 2002, and never below 12 new gals a year since 2000.

      Using escorts has never stopped me from doing ‘unpaid’ ass on the side.

      This is something no amount of charm can get. Only money or fame can get you that much ass.

  15. June 11, 2010 at 11:59 am

    I like the imagery: you make western society sound like a machine built out of the hardest stainless steel but assembled like a flimsy piece of Ikea furniture– or a BP blowout preventer. A good solid hit from a wooden mallet would send the whole thing to pieces; or, failing that, gradual entropy will make it fall apart under its own weight.

    There is a reason we use high-carbon steel instead of cast iron in many applications, though the latter is often just as hard and much easier to work with. Steel is resilient and strong, cast iron is hard but brittle.

  16. Single Man
    June 16, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Dude, I totally agree with you that white women are MASSIVELY racist against Indians. It’s almost amazing to behold. That being said, why waste your time with them? White American women are the worst chicks on the planet. You have an obvious opening to go after Indian chicks who are much better than white chicks. You should go for it!

    It is not so much a matter of choice, as availability.

    I’m a white guy. I would much rather go out with Indian chicks than white girls. Unfortunately, they don’t have much interest in white guys for racial/religious reasons.

  17. Tom
    July 31, 2010 at 5:23 am

    I’m white, but I’ve lived overseas for 10 out of the 17 years of my life.

    I enjoy racist jokes, but I’m not racist. My question is, when the change comes (whites become the majority) what I am to do about it?

    There is not much you can do about it. It is your reaction to the new equilibrium that will be the bigger issue.

    I already intend to live in a foreign country full of non-English speaking people (where being a minority white is a plus) as I grow to dislike my home country and culture more and more.

    It is often said that people change, but usually the time is in years. For my opinion of things can change in a week, a month, or a year!

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