White Knighting is Irrational

One aspect of white male behavior that has always stumped me is the concept of ‘white knighting’ which manifests itself as ‘chivalry’.

Think about it rationally-

What exactly do you owe a woman who is neither you mother/grandmother nor has previously had sex with you?

What nice thing has she done for you? Will your deferential behavior oblige her to reciprocate? If not, why should you care about her welfare or safety?

In almost every civilization and culture in human history, women are obliged to reciprocate in well-understood ways.

Example 1: In most cultures, married women will often have sex even if they are ‘not into it’ at that moment. It is understood as an obligation to the guy in return for supporting her and the children.

Example 2: Once again, in most cultures women who are dating a guy are expected to put out even if they are “feeling unsexy”, because that is cost of keeping an otherwise decent guy around.

Example 3: Even if the relationship is not sexual, helping a women in most cultures obliges her to gratefully acknowledge it and make it up some other way.

So why do most men in western countries ‘white knight’ even though such behavior will almost never land them any pussy or even a heartfelt ‘thank you’. Why continue doing a thankless job without ‘pay’? You do not seriously believe in an afterlife, do you?

So what is it? and why are most white men so dense? Can you not see the obvious and act in a rational manner?

Whose censure do you fear? What will you not get if you stand up for yourself? Are you getting enough or any? What obligation do you have to a system that treats you as a disposable cog? Who cares about the future of human civilization once you are dead? Does it matter?

Who are you living for anyway- Yourself or to please others? and will pleasing make them give what you want? How has that worked out.. so far?


  1. June 30, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Guys are brainwashed into white knitehood by TV and movies and video game plots: in these mediums, white knighting is *always* a golden ticket to pussy by the end of the movie.

    See also: http://www.xamuel.com/getting-a-girl-in-a-movie/

    Yes, but why are they stupid enough to play along?

    • July 1, 2010 at 10:27 am

      I don’t think it’s that they actively play along, so much so as it is the inevitable outcome to western propoganda. The peoples of western countries have been conditioned into a way of thinking from a very young age. It’s how all people come to understand the world around them: by the lessons taught to us by our elders. What is more in contemporary western society TV, video games and film are taking charge of raising the youth. An issue already well documented.

      When the vast majority of wide reaching popular media feature white male protagonists, it is no wonder society is being preconditioned to foster delusions of white superiority. It is hard for white people in general to see the issue at hand when in their world everything is rosy.

      • March 23, 2016 at 12:42 pm

        Yes – and this is one reason why I say “fuck Hollywood”, the public school systems, Calvanism and so forth. I wrote a topic about how I feel rap music sends the right message – Unlike Hollywood, black men have the world in their hands, they are powerful, in control, masculine, red pill and they aren’t interested in playing “captain save-a-hoe”.

  2. Numm
    June 30, 2010 at 11:09 am

    I love how you think white-knighting is a phenomena limited by race. Come on, you seriously think it’s only white men that white-knight?

    It is not so much limited by race, as concentrated by it. Take 100 random men, age 18-60, from various countries and rate them by their willingness to help women or sacrifice for them without reciprocation.

    Do you think men in the middle-east, south america, india, SE asia, china or japan will do that to the extent white men will? why not?

    • Nestorius
      July 1, 2010 at 9:54 am

      In fact, white-knighting is a white phenomenon that was also exported to all places influenced by whites. There are whole generations outside the US and Europe that were brainwashed into white-knighting through books, TV and Movies. But the white-knighting is not native and did not exist before. I am from Lebanon, Middle-East, and compared to the 70s where men were acting fully as men, a great number of men here are becoming white-knights under foreign influence. Previously, men used to see the two pragmatic sides in relation to women, mainly: (1) the negative effects that a woman can bring (dishonor), and (2) the positive effects (sex). Now, there are mixed signs from the native mind opposed by the white-knighting brainwashing, and this leads so many men to a behaviour dilemma.

      • P Ray
        March 23, 2016 at 5:43 pm

        The “white knights” in Lebanon are doing precisely what non-white “white knights” are doing everywhere:
        Thinking that the woman responds nicely to him because of his actions and not his race.

        In short, white knighting in a non-white culture WORKS BEST ONLY IF YOU ARE WHITE.
        Realistically though, women are women everywhere: she only respects you WHILE HER OPTIONS ARE LIMITED.

        It won’t be long before she connives to take from you … along with other guys who think “you need to constantly and regularly feed her low self esteem”.

  3. June 30, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Women paid for white-knight propaganda – in Middle Ages. See “Lancelot” by Chretien de Troyes, the most abject example of white-knighting which can be imagined.

    “Since my lady of Champagne wishes me to undertake to write a romance, 41 I shall very gladly do so, being so devoted to her service as to do anything in the world for her, without any intention of flattery. But if one were to introduce any flattery upon such an occasion, he might say, and I would subscribe to it, that this lady surpasses all others who are alive, just as the south wind which blows in May or April is more lovely than any other wind. But upon my word, I am not one to wish to flatter my lady. I will simply say: “The Countess is worth as many queens as a gem is worth of pearls and sards.” Nay I shall make no comparison, and yet it is true in spite of me; I will say, however, that her command has more to do with this work than any thought or pains that I may expend upon it. Here Chretien begins his book about the Knight of the Cart. The material and the treatment of it are given and furnished to him by the Countess, and he is simply trying to carry out her concern and intention. Here he begins the story. “

  4. June 30, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Westley said it best: there’s a shortage of perfect breasts in this world. White knighting is a rational way to get at those breasts, even though it doesn’t work. Plus taking care of somebody else makes a guy feel good about himself.

    In those other cultures, the dating market favors men. Why? War. Lots of eligible men die. If not from war, there’s also dangerous jobs like mining and working in the sugar fields. Jobs that can put one man a little ahead of the other. And more importantly, these are jobs that women can’t, won’t, or aren’t allowed to do.

    Women can’t earn money like they can in the U.S., so they need a man more than ever to survive.

  5. Somebody
    July 1, 2010 at 4:55 am

    So how do you actually approach and imply that sex is the issue at hand?

    Say it, confidently.

    I agree with most of which you write. I also agree that most of what is discussed in game appeases their agenda and not ours. I have read your criticisms of ‘game’… the matrix analogies and what have you.

    It is not so much about ‘game’ as it about LTRs and ‘game’.

    Jesus. Right or wrong the power is in their hands.

    How so? Nobody is stopping you from buying reasonably priced sex (pro- or semipro-). If that means moving to a less man-hating part of the country.. so be it.

    So what is one to do? You have discussed exactly how fucked up this is. But if we know they are inferior in thinking, and playing their game can yield pussy, do we care? Money aside. How about appeasing them in as much as letting a lay go down as they see fit?

    How has appeasement worked in human history?

    You know yourself that we don’t have much time. This thinking is mangina territory, but I just turned 30 and I’d like to fuck some before I turn 40. –

    You can get model level hotties for less than 50$/hr in colombia, venezuela. Good quality escorts are about 150$/hr in most of southern Europe and Brazil. About 200$/hr in Canada and Australia.

    and if you have a healthy amount of paranoia + right attitude, you can dabble around in young pussy for the right amount of monetary help.

    For an Indian boy of dots and not feathers, you must be pretty good looking relatively to the average east Indian boy to cite such a record of pussy and still be discontented.

    Or maybe I am more both more manipulative and unashamed about my agenda.

    As one of my favorite authors writes, “If you are sane you are insane. If you are insane, you are sane. But if you are sane and you freak, you are insane, so what is one to do?

  6. Herbal Essence
    July 2, 2010 at 5:29 am

    I’m a big white dude and I will never, ever come to the aid of a woman unknown to me. No man should.

  7. October 20, 2017 at 5:31 pm

    Afrocentrists are spme huge white-knights, like some of these alt-right white supremacists are. Some of this shit stems from racial pride and hubris also, regardless of race. Black alphas who have their share of pussy (irrelevant of race) know better and will refuse to play “the clean up man” for shit.

  8. P Ray
    October 8, 2018 at 8:15 pm

    Hero son dies while defending his mother in northern China marketplace

    Ya, stopped his mother from being robbed, by:
    pushing the person that his mother had just escaped from rather than getting her in the car and closing the door
    refused to run away, and kept his mother behind him, rather than getting in the car after the thief showed a knife

    It’s true that heroes taste of death but once, but they die real fast, and the brave son left behind a wife and kid. Maybe his sacrifice will help the kid gain university entrance and a job on compassionate grounds?

  9. P Ray
    June 25, 2019 at 5:15 pm

    Reminds me of Anthony Bourdain, he of the “I deeply resented the relative stability at my house.” fame:
    This is basically the blueprint of his whiteknighting:
    >61-year old dude
    >starts dating a 42-year old past her prime actress
    >said actress banged movie executive to get roles
    >first time might have been forced
    >says #MeToo
    >61-year old wants to keep banging younger chick
    >starts White Knighting

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