Eternal Questions: 28 Aug, 2010

How much crap, bullshit and flaking do you take for one new average-looking lay? How much effort, time and money do you spend to get one new average-looking lay? How much LMR, posturing and game playing do you endure for one new average-looking lay?

and what do you get after all that?

One average-looking lay.

Is she worth it? Seriously? All of this drama for one new average lay?

Compare that to the effort expended for an average income, average car, average dinner… average ANYTHING.


  1. Nestorius
    August 29, 2010 at 12:38 am

    All this crap is illustrated in Roosh’s post A Typical Night Out In D.C..

    He says that he needs 30 approaches to get one lay. Then, the lay he got next night was mainly due to alcohol as it is obvious.

    It is obvious that the average guy cannot afford doing 30 approaches.

    • August 29, 2010 at 8:22 pm

      The missing link is what Mystery has said. He doesn’t need to sarge anymore because he’s made so many friends that when he rolls, he’s always with men and women he knows. Approaches are not the goal, they’re a tool. In a night with my wing, we’ll hit a couple bars in Philly and cold approach maybe 10 sets between us. Most of the time we get opened, or we take advantage of obvious IOI’s, which is really ZERO work. The girls we meet we end up seeing many times. It’s all about having fun. If you enjoy it, you’ll learn how easy it really is.

      BTW, DA, it’s telling that you used the word, “endure”. I guess, you truly do not enjoy talking to women. Also, I must point out that the use of a logical fallacy in your question (fallacy of many questions) is probably why you have only two comments. If someone answers the question, they admit to getting only ‘average-lays’.

      • The Plague Doctor
        August 30, 2010 at 11:52 am

        Maybe Mystery does not need to sarge anymore, because he is tall, good-looking, “well”-dressed, rich and famous.

      • August 30, 2010 at 1:25 pm

        Your argument hinges on a “maybe”, but it’s a reality for me.

      • The Plague Doctor
        August 30, 2010 at 7:35 pm

        What are your stats of your reality? The numer of lays per month, new girls per month, money spent per month, and time spent per month. No bullshitting, please.

      • August 30, 2010 at 11:31 pm

        Stats? What is this baseball? That’s probably the problem: a very cold methodology. Just curious, but are you an engineer or in IT?
        The reality is that I go out with the specific intention of having fun, i.e., party vibe. Since I’m not afraid to talk to women this leads to many adventures (which I put on my ‘blog’). Would you believe any numbers I said? Would you believe that numbers don’t matter to me?

      • The Plague Doctor
        August 30, 2010 at 11:59 pm

        I said no bullshitting, please; you failed.

  2. August 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    It’s not worth it if you have to approach 30+ women to get on lay, with a chick that may not be all that good-looking at that. On top of that, if you aren’t in a place like NYC, with a mostly transient crowd, how long do you think you can approach that many women before a lot of them start to see you as the creepy guy?

    And I agree with Pulsotic has to say. When it comes to nightclub game, you should be waiting on women to approach you, approaching women giving you obvious IOIs, approaching women who look bored, and approaching women that you have a history of being able to get. And if you are a decent-looking guy, but isn’t getting any IOIs, then you need to go to a smaller bar, or nightclubs on their not so busy nights, so you actually have a chance to get noticed.

    • Awake
      August 30, 2010 at 3:34 pm

      I have neither the time nor inclination to bother with the bullshit that dating brings. I can get far more fun experiences than wasting 5 hours every night.

  3. August 30, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    ^with what Pulsotic*

  4. The Plague Doctor
    August 30, 2010 at 7:57 pm


    Pulsotic :
    It’s all about having fun. If you enjoy it, you’ll learn how easy it really is.

    About as much fun and enjoyment as having my teeth drilled without an anesthetic.

    Nightclubs are hell.

    • September 5, 2010 at 7:11 am

      Ok, Amy at the club was funny. Everyone’s run into someone like that once in their lives. But to use this as an example of how everyone behaves is too much.

      The “Nightclubs are Hell” article was also poor evidence to present. Of course he’s not gonna have fun. He says, “People regarded me with a combination of pity and disgust.” Lesser Betas and Omegas really have no concept of what socializing is. His own eyes are seeing people enjoying interacting with each other, but the self-loathing prism he sees through has convinced him that everyone, yes, everyone in every club in the world, is “pretending”.

      “About as much fun and enjoyment as having my teeth drilled without an anesthetic.”
      Exactly. If you don’t enjoy it, you won’t learn how easy it really is.

      • The Plague Doctor
        September 5, 2010 at 7:51 am

        Amy is typical.

        I see you are quite adept at applying circumstantial ad hominem (Bluverism) to everyone.

        Your “lesser beta and omega” shaming language does not impress me.

      • September 5, 2010 at 8:10 am

        Now you’re just picking logical fallacies and hoping they apply.

        Bluverism does apply to “Nightclubs are Hell” however. He rarely goes to nightclubs, yet has many assumptions about them.

        The behavior I specified applies specifically to lesser Betas and Omegas in an objective sense. It is not shaming language unless you are ashamed of it. I have been Beta. It’s just another state of mind.

        Amy is typical if The Night at The Roxbury characters are typical and not exaggerations.

      • The Plague Doctor
        September 5, 2010 at 8:26 am

        Bluverism does apply to “Nightclubs are Hell” however.
        That is exactly what I referred to. You don’t get it, do you? That Bulverism “applies” means this is a fallacy on YOUR part. Psychoanalyzing someone’s state of mind is not a valid argument.

      • September 5, 2010 at 9:56 am

        So we’re in agreement that “Nightclubs are Hell” is inaccurate. OK. And we can agree that we both see the world from different points of view. My reality is different from your reality. What makes Charlie’s reality a cold and hostile place compared to the warm and friendly world I enjoy actually does have merit in this discussion because it is the basis for the bias on both our parts.
        The psychological interpretation of the social dichotomy of meat markets is such that you and I can go to the same place and have completely different experiences and attitudes toward the venue. If we apply expectancy theory to clubs, then we can surmise that what we believe to be true about something can and will become true.

        I accept that meat markets CAN provide horrible experiences. They used to for me. My point is that they don’t have to. They CAN provide amazing experiences.

      • The Plague Doctor
        September 5, 2010 at 10:14 am

        So we’re in agreement that “Nightclubs are Hell” is inaccurate. OK.

        Huh??? I never said any like this. Please learn some reading comprehension.

        And no, psychoanalyzing someone’s “biases” is NEVER a valid argument. Get it?

  5. The Plague Doctor
    August 30, 2010 at 7:58 pm

  6. herbal essence
    September 3, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    A lot of guys just do not enjoy nightclubs and bars. I personally can’t deal with the smoke and the snobbish attitude. I also don’t drink or do drugs. So really? What the heck am I doing there besides making myself miserable?

    Also, I’m going to call BS on pickup at a club being labeled as “unpaid.” Some supposed “players” I know blow thousands of dollars on clubs every few months. If you and your boys spend a benjamin or two getting in the club, several more hundreds on bottle service, plus all the tipping you have to do at a decent club, any sex you may get afterwards was far from unpaid.

    • September 5, 2010 at 7:32 am

      “Also, I’m going to call BS on pickup at a club being labeled as “unpaid.” ”

      It depends on what you’re going there for. If your only goal is to get laid, then yeah, you’re paying something. We can take it a step further, hyperbolically, and say that if you didn’t buy food to eat, you wouldn’t be alive to have the “unpaid” sex.

      Players don’t spend thousands a month on getting laid. They do it for the lifestyle they enjoy. Getting laid is part of it.

      The money spent to get in a bar or club is payment for entrance. The money spent on alchohol is payment for alcohol.

      Incidentally, on friday night, I went out with my wing and texted a couple girls who met us at the bar. I bought my wing and I a round. The rest of the night the girls bought me drinks. Including gas money I spent $20 US. That’s extremely cheap for a night of partying with friends. But did I get laid that night? No. I got laid in the morning.

      • The Plague Doctor
        September 5, 2010 at 7:57 am

        You do not appear to understand the basic economic concept of opportunity costs.

      • September 5, 2010 at 8:17 am

        Ok, let’s change the subject then. What would you like to say about the basic economic concept of opportunity costs?

      • The Plague Doctor
        September 5, 2010 at 8:29 am

        Your claim is that going out did not cost a lot ($20). You failed to mention the opportunity cost of the time you spent.

  7. September 5, 2010 at 9:30 am

    What could I have done with my time on a Friday night instead?
    I could have stayed home and watched a couple movies.
    I could have played XBOX until 4am (which I sometimes do on weeknights).
    I could have finished the renovation on my upstairs bathroom.
    I could have gotten a great nights sleep.

    You’re right, there’s all kinds of things I could have done, but I chose hanging out with friends and having fun. What opportunity did I miss that had greater value to me on a Friday night?

    • The Plague Doctor
      September 5, 2010 at 10:20 am

      By definition, opportunity costs of foregone courses of action never have a greater value to the subject than the action chosen.

      • September 5, 2010 at 3:00 pm

        Hindsight, and other POV can enlighten one to unknown, more valuable choices. If you had no suggestions, then there was really no reason for you to say anything.

      • The Plague Doctor
        September 5, 2010 at 5:12 pm

        It was never my intention to suggest other options to you. YOU may value a night in a sweaty dungeon over the other options available to you; I never claimed otherwise. But for others who do not enjoy nightclubs, time thus spent represents an opportunity cost. One obvious alternative is the potential income one forgoes.

        That is why I previously asked you how much time and money you spent on clubbing, but you evaded the question.

        If you need it spelled out for you, fill in your cost of sex and do not forget to include everything, including the average time and money per month you spent reading PUA-related books and sites in the past years, time and money spent buying expensive clothes, etc.

  8. The Plague Doctor
    September 7, 2010 at 12:05 am

    LOL, Mystery writes:

    Approximately 80 of the girls [out of a 100?] I have bedded were part time escorts as many stripper are also escorts on the side although I got them through my cold approach skillset.

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