What is the Upside of “Unpaid” Sex?

OK, Here is a question which should be fun for my readers to answer-

What is the upside of “unpaid” sex?

What do you get in “unpaid” sex, that you cannot get with “paid” sex- as it currently exists.

Remember that “paid” sex as it currently exists in developed countries, with the exception of the USA, is a very different beast than what most people still think about it. The risk of STDs is low, it is legal or de facto legal in most countries, most service providers are part-timers, turnover rates are high, attitudes are good, quality of service is generally high, review boards allow the customer to find good SPs and avoid bad SPs and situations.

So what is the real upside of “unpaid” sex over “paid” sex? Is there any upside?

Update– In one of rooshv’s latest posts (HT Nestorius), he talks about the need for 30 solid approaches for one lay– something that is backed up by my experience with women before I started to ‘pay’ for sex. In my case the ratio was 20-50 depending on the venue, day, season and city.

While it takes about 10 solid approaches to get a bangable cougar, the quality of the experience can be quite poor.

Comments?

  1. Rebel with a clue
    August 29, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    The thrill of the chase.

  2. sk3ptic
  3. sk3ptic
    August 29, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    save money, better sex, sex more often, can get laid even if broke, better self-image, cooked meals, the change of having a family, better social skills, different sorts of thrills.
    —-

    What are you smoking? Ever looked around you?

    I’m not saying these are all necessary true I am saying the chance exists, while with escorts no chance.
    —-

    Ever saw a truly happy married man?

    Getting a hot quality girl isn’t easy, but part of getting her should be fun, agreed with first commentor. How many hours does it take to make 350 dollars to pay for 1 hour of service?
    —-

    Just over 1 day per week.. but in most western countries, the prices are almost half that So it is more like 6-8 sessions per week- including freebies and discounts.

    • actually Camwhoring-->Slavic Escort game is Legit
      April 7, 2013 at 5:06 pm

      as a gay 4 pay camwhore it only takes 1 hour for me to get 150 $ wich I save up for my trips to poland.with 3000 $ I can fuck 100 escorts there.

      lol @ Normalfags who work such shitty Jobs,and spend it on their cheating woman.LOL go suck the cum out of her pussy.cuckold.

  4. Joe
    August 29, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Social shaming has a tremendous influence on people, no matter how logical the argument for escort use. Guys like George Clooney or Brad Pitt could go to a club and take home a new 10 every night if they wished. They don’t do it because the man whore reputation would hurt their image and thus their drawing power. I wonder how many Hollywood publicists give up and coming actors the speech about pump and dump and the need for moderation. Charlie Sheen seems to be the only actor to embrace hookers/man whoring and get away with it.

    • August 29, 2010 at 6:44 pm

      Clooney is getting 10’s on a regular basis, GUARANTEED. He’s probably a little more savvy than a drunk like Sheen. Sure he can’t go into a meat market club, but he doesn’t have to.. he’s F’n Clooney. He ain’t sleepin’ alone.
      —-

      Ever heard of the paparazzi?

      • Joe
        August 29, 2010 at 6:55 pm

        I talking three to five 10s every week. Sex a few times, than rinse repeat with brand new models. Week after week, month after month.

        We’d hear about it if Clooney was doing this. Women love to kiss and tell. The question is, if it’s possible for famous actors, why don’t they do it?

  5. Rob G
    August 29, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Intimate relationship

  6. August 29, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    Easy. The ability to pass on your genes through offspring.
    —-
    Inconsequential.

    The guy who only uses prostitutes has ZERO chance of having kids and his genes will be unapologetically weeded out of the pool. Evolutionarily speaking, if using prostitutes were the sole sexual outlet, our species would cease to exist.
    —-

    It does not matter.

    • August 29, 2010 at 7:18 pm

      “It does not matter.”

      Did you actually say that to continue as a species beyond the current generation does not matter? Now I can’t take anything you say seriously anymore.

      • Redpill
        August 29, 2010 at 7:36 pm

        The technology to pass on your genes and continue the species already exists and can exist on a more widespread level if more research were put into it.

      • August 29, 2010 at 7:53 pm

        What, you mean grow humans in rubber sacks outside the womb? There is no technology for that. We still need female reproductive organs. If you mean artificial insemination then that is a VERY flawed tech and is very painful for the woman. It’s only used out of desperation. I have friends that have used it with success, but after many expensive tries. If you are interested, there’s a great book called “How to choose the sex of your baby” by Dr. Shettles that is enlightening.

      • The Plague Doctor
        August 30, 2010 at 12:06 pm

        Check out antinatalism.net

      • August 30, 2010 at 11:44 pm

        I did. I felt like I was reading Sephiroth’s manifesto.

      • The Plague Doctor
        August 31, 2010 at 12:01 am

        I am not familiar with that reference.

      • August 31, 2010 at 12:13 am

        It’s funny. Google it.

      • The Plague Doctor
        August 31, 2010 at 12:18 am

        I am familiar with Google, but “Sephiroth’s manifesto” gives zero results.

      • August 31, 2010 at 12:31 am

        Ok, but this takes all the humor out of it.
        I felt like I was reading a manifest written by an evil villain that wanted to destroy the world.

      • The Plague Doctor
        August 31, 2010 at 12:38 am

        Destroying the world (a.k.a. panthanasia or omnicide) should not be confused with antinatalism, but some antinatalists including myself are in favor of both.

    • dhelmet
      August 30, 2010 at 2:45 pm

      This is not necessarily true at all. If you are obsessed with your genetic legacy then getting married and having a few kids is not the best way to propagate your genes. Become a sperm donor, and you can father far more kids than any but the most fertile and traditional of Catholics. So your point is irrelevant.

      • August 30, 2010 at 11:58 pm

        That is my point. The upside is that you can have kids. Not just help someone get pregnant and have the child with someone else, but actually raise your own child. In your case it looks like you don’t want kids, but there are many people that do. Considering there are bound to be many opinions on this subject, they should all be “relevant”.

      • The Plague Doctor
        August 31, 2010 at 12:02 am

        All this assumes there should be a “right” to have children.

    • June 25, 2011 at 10:23 pm

      Nice you are directly quoting Mystery without attributing it to him. Tool.

  7. August 29, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    I’d say “ability to pass on genes through offspring” like Pulsotic said, but technically, you can buy that too, it’s just more expensive.

    But there is still the game aspect of it. Sport fucking. Of course, that’s cold comfort for any guys who are “losing the game”.

  8. Awake
    August 29, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Pulsotic :
    What, you mean grow humans in rubber sacks outside the womb? There is no technology for that. We still need female reproductive organs. If you mean artificial insemination then that is a VERY flawed tech and is very painful for the woman. It’s only used out of desperation. I have friends that have used it with success, but after many expensive tries. If you are interested, there’s a great book called “How to choose the sex of your baby” by Dr. Shettles that is enlightening.

    There are also “baby farms” in the developing world for those who’ve got the cash.

    The artificial womb can be done but too many narrow-minded politicians refuse to fund such research.

  9. the dude
    August 29, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    started calculating cost per penetration reading your blog. You’re throwing money out the window for something you can get at low cost. I estimate it at a quarter, type I want, high frequency, though not always readily available. In that case one can add some of the paid version without running a explosive budget. My frequency would put of out of business soon.

  10. Häpeä
    August 30, 2010 at 1:09 am

    “The guy who only uses prostitutes has ZERO chance of having kids and his genes will be unapologetically weeded out of the pool. Evolutionarily speaking, if using prostitutes were the sole sexual outlet, our species would cease to exist.”

    I’m a 30 year old virgin and I’m 100% certain that I have more children then you, Roissy, Roosh, Mystery et al combined. So drop with the genetic legacy BS already.

    “Did you actually say that to continue as a species beyond the current generation does not matter? Now I can’t take anything you say seriously anymore.”

    After I’m dead it makes no difference to me even if the whole goddamn humankind is wiped off this planet in one huge nuclear holocaust. None.

  11. August 30, 2010 at 4:11 am

    30 year old virgin? Why are you commenting on a question about sex? Seriously. I’m not even kidding right now.

  12. Nestorius
    August 30, 2010 at 4:50 am

    They still don’t understand that sex is nothing but sex.

    30 approaches are still too much especially for chicks who are easy to begin with. Imagine you have 900 guys and 900 chicks in a place where each chick has to be approached and gamed by 30 guys and more. What will be the impact of 30 guys on a chick? On the long run, if all guys will be running game, the whole system will not be functionable.

    Game works in the current situation because it is still a recent discovery and few men have adopted it. Game in the long run will not function.

  13. Squared
    August 30, 2010 at 7:54 am

    @ Nestorius:

    Game will work for the foreseeable future (probably forever) because the reality is that its teachings are beyond the abilities/work ethic of most men. It will never be mastered by any significant majority.

    As for the game vs escorts argument, I think both sides of the argument have equal merit. On one hand, sex with a hot bitch is its own reward, regardless of the way its obtained, and on the other, the thrill of the chase and the feeling of accomplishment and other freebies are not negligible.

    One thing I have noticed however is that many (if not most) PUAs tend to grossly overinflate both their powers of attraction and the quality of the tail they pull, which is not that surprising when you consider the kind of self-aggrandizing one must go through to become a true chick magnet.

    The bottomline, and prostitution’s one true advantage, is that pound-for-pound, it simply offers a much better ROI for about 95% of men than the traditional route offers. In terms of number of very high quality girls banged on an annual basis, unless you’re Mystery or a George Clooney type, PUA or not, you’re going to find it a difficult, if not impossible challenge to keep up with an average joe w/ a $10,000 budget. A lot of PUAs like to think they’re pulling 9s and 10s on the regular, but reality tells a far different story. With escorts, this is easily achievable. Those who disagree simply aren’t familiar with the scene in any big city.

    As for the disappointment of having to part way with $10,000? Sorry, but if you live in a first world country and $10,000 is such a hugely significant part of your income that you can’t afford to part ways with it for some pussy, you’re simply demonstrating a different variety of the power impotence that guys who can’t get laid the regular way suffer from. Flexing one’s financial muscle is also a very real manifestation of power, it simply gets a worst rap in this context for cultural reasons (which you’d figure should be a moot point for readers of the roissysphere, ie people who claim to see the cultural matrix for what it is, but I digress). Ultimately, whether you’re manipulating someone to do something on your own terms, or whether you’re forcing their hand via the use of incentives, power is power is power. They’re two sides of the same coin. Genghis Kahn fucked more women than anyone in the history of humanity, and believe me, he didn’t need to “seduce” a single one of them.

    With that said, I’ve presented a view supporting escorts, but I’m still a big supporter of game. I just find that many PUAs are very intellectually dishonest regarding this whole issue.

  14. August 30, 2010 at 10:34 am

    @Squared: good analysis.

    Game > escorts only if you are highly successful with it and have the energy and motivation to use it day in and day out. What % of men are highly successful with game, are gaming CONSINTENTLY, AND pulling a VARIETY of QUALITY pussy? I don’t know, but I know the % is not high.

    • Redpill
      September 1, 2010 at 2:14 pm

      Game is useful but there is only so much that can be done beyond basic physical attributes.

  15. August 30, 2010 at 11:38 am

    The advantage of unpaid sex for me is not having to buy a plane ticket to somewhere that I can get good paid sex. Paying for sex in the US is a waste of time, effort and money.

  16. Häpeä
    August 30, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Pulsotic :
    30 year old virgin? Why are you commenting on a question about sex? Seriously. I’m not even kidding right now.

    Until you breed and actually have children, regardless of how much sex you’re having, you’re nothing but a genetic dead end. Total failure at life. Sex is utterly, utterly irrelevant.

    • Joe
      August 30, 2010 at 2:51 pm

      What about the guys who were tricked by their wives into having kids they didn’t want? You know the old “It’s ok I’m on the pill” types. They are being extorted. Are these men “winners” in life?

    • The Plague Doctor
      August 30, 2010 at 7:32 pm

      NO. Failure according to what or whom? Darwinism does not prescribe any behavior, procreation or otherwise.

  17. The Plague Doctor
    October 18, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Update- In one of rooshv’s latest posts (HT Nestorius), he talks about the need for 30 solid approaches for one lay- something that is backed up by my experience with women before I started to ‘pay’ for sex. In my case the ratio was 20-50 depending on the venue, day, season and city.

    Dyler Turden, master PUAssybeggar, after a decade of practice, also needs 30 approaches for one lay:

    The only way to get lots of hot women if you’re not a celebrity is to play the numbers game. And there are two ways to play the numbers game:

    A) Hit on 30* hot chicks, have 29 reject you, so the 30th says yes
    B) Become a master at knowing how to flirt, how to socialize and how to create the opportunities for interested women to ADMIT their interest in you, and being good at knowing when to make a move

    In both strategies you get one out of 30* women, it’s just that in case A you make the 29 explicitly reject you to get to the 30th one. Whereas in case B, you find out who “chick 30″ is without having to face overt rejection

    *-30 is a random example number, your ratio will vary on how attractive you are, your fitness level, genetic shape, facial structure, your status in the context you meet these women, the context itself etc etc…

    Now, most PUAs apply strategy A, they just invent fancy ways (methods) of masking the rejection.

    Tyler Dyrden even openly tells guys now he only gets one out of 30 chicks he approaches (that’s after 10 years of doing this professionally). He even mocks the idea that this is a “numbers game”. Apparently his newest explanation is that the 29 chicks are just a “warm up” and he’s warming up his mood, and it’s really his heightened “mood” that makes chick 30 sleep with him. I wish I was making this up… I’m not…

    On the video above, Go to 13 minutes, 55 seconds

    So yeah… Funny, how is that most of us anti-puas can get these same results without “mood”? And without any of the 50DVD crappola?

    Heck, you can get those lay ratios or better just by asking these same club women if they wanna bang right from hello.

    You’d get the same ratio of makeouts this doofus gets if you just walked up to the same women and said “hi, wanna make out”?

    The only major difference is that your rejection will suck harder (i.e. the 29 will be more glaring). This is the scam of game. You still don’t get the 29, you still only get chick nr. 30.

    *-Note, you can have a much worsened ratio by being akward and have bad “calibration” or signal-reading ability. In other words, your ratio might be as low as 1 in 60 because for example you might make some moves too soon, or wait too long, or persist too much, or not enough, things like that.

    This is how some people see improvements and misatribute it to game. A guy might go from 1 in 100 to 1 in 30 with no change in attractivness, and he assumes he’s gotten game (the ability to create attraction), what he doesn’t realize is he’s merely gotten better calibrated on when and how to escalate. The same women are attracted, he’s just screwing up less…

    PUA rationalization on the numbers game/

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