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Exposing CONservatism: “Civilizations Decay Because They Get Soft”

One of the popular CONservative memes goes something like this:

“Civilizations decay because they get soft, affluent and liberal”

The most common examples trotted out to support this meme are the western roman empire and the now deceased british empire.

    and yes Civilization = Empire and vice versa.

    But is this meme true? Superficially it might appear correct, but once you look at the raw data- it is anything but correct. No medium to large size empire/civilization ever decayed or went extinct because it became soft or liberal. Indeed, the converse is true as empires often become more vicious and barbaric when they start to die out.

    The reason why empires/civilizations collapse comes down to one meta-reason:

    The bullying, lying, scams and viciousness can no longer make enough people comply.

    Whether it due to over-extension, technological limitations, rise of competing powers, natural events, maladministration or some combination thereof EVERY empire will reach a point where its core constituency starts shrinking. Once that occurs, the jig is up for that system.

    The reason empires/civilizations cannot right themselves after major setbacks is also quite straightforward. Systems that depend on bullying, fraud, coercion, scams and violence to enforce their will cannot respond, or even conceive a response, that does not involve more of the above. It is this mental limitation of empires, and their “elite”, that make sure that they lose the trust of almost every person as they try to crawl out of the hole using more of the same attitudes and methods that got them into it in the first place.

    The US, in its current form, resembles every empire that has ever existed in that it too fosters and depends on a culture of bullying, lying, fraud and violence to exist. Prior to the 1980s, people in ‘other’ countries were the main recipients of the above. That, however, changed with the “Reagan Revolution” which started the process of treating their core constituency like they treated those ‘others’. The results are all around you, and more will happen until the system reaches a point where it will implode onto itself.

    Whether enough will be left to build a new and different system is anybodys guess.


  1. DoesNotMatter
    October 5, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    civilization decay because they allow malevolent people like you in who keep wishing for it to get destroyed

  2. Wald
    October 9, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    I’ve noticed this. Everytime an empire runs out of enemies to fight or bully (slaves, ragging on minorities) it makes enemies out of its own populace and slowly eats itself.

  3. P Ray
    September 12, 2019 at 11:07 am

    Yep …
    South Africa calls on sociologists and psychologists to help as crime stats show 58 people killed every day
    The violent crime wave that has been described as worse than a war zone
    The violent crime wave that has been described as worse than a war zone CREDIT: MARCO LONGARI/AFP
    Roland Oliphant, harare
    12 SEPTEMBER 2019 • 7:12PM
    South African police have hired psychologists to figure out the causes of a murder epidemic that kills nearly 60 people killed every day.

    Must be dat dere amazing affluence.

    In reality it is:
    1. social media exposing people to the idea there is a huge imbalance in lifestyles
    2. the truth that very few are ever going to get ahead by their hard work
    3. women prefer nasty, violent men to complement their own nasty, violent nature
    4. men opting out when they know a woman interested only in your money is going to be troublesome to be in a relationship with
    5. governments selectively doling out help so that favoured people are the only ones who get ahead
    6. “special licenses” required to earn a livable wage with savings, that only the “people with the right attitude” NOT qualifications are going to get
    7. a certainty that there will be no change since there is the understanding that the same people on (at least) both sides of the political spectrum will lead
    8. standard media that relies on the license to publish so will always tell lies to keep the social ponzi scheme going.
    9. ineffective punishments for criminals, but more importantly, the idea that you need to “take it like a man” if you get robbed
    10. lots of protests against women getting raped, little protests against men getting killed.

    I could go on, but you get the idea.

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