Stuff That CONservatives Cannot Comprehend: 2

CONservatives often say that events like the ongoing wikileaks saga would not have occurred if the CIA etc acted like the KGB or Stasi.

My question is-

What happened to the USSR and East-Germany? Are they still around? and if not, why not?

Even though the KGB, Stasi and other similar intelligence agencies had a lot of power, personnel, money and ability- the regimes they worked for failed. It is important to understand that internal disenchantment was the predominant cause of those regimes imploding. The public efforts of morons like Thatcher and Reagan were sideshows, at best. Even the intelligence agencies in arab countries, who have legal latitude, western agencies can only dream about are often ineffective in stopping regime collapse.

If anything, there is a strong correlation between ruthless intelligence agencies and regime instability, failure and implosion.

A strong and ruthless intelligence agency or police force is an indicator of failure to govern. The regimes behind such security setups are often barely hanging on and the amount of ill-will plus bad faith in these countries is often so high that economic stagnation and shoddy governance are systemic.

I would argue that the direction and rate of growth for law ‘enforcement’ and intelligence agencies in the last decade forebode collapse of the current setup in the USA.


  1. Matt
    December 5, 2010 at 6:02 am

    Oddly enough, it’s the liberals I’ve talked to who are in favor of intelligence agencies having greater power and the conservatives who are against it.

  2. December 5, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Maybe I misread this post but I don’t see why you both can’t be right: it’s true that having ruthless secret services prevents stuff like ‘Wikileaks’, you’re also right that it’s an indicator of a failed or failing regime. Where’s the contradiction?

    Change will occur, whether through less violent means such as wikileaks or more typical scenarios that involve bloodbaths.

    Take your pick.

  1. February 11, 2011 at 4:35 pm

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