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How Indians Screw Themselves: Zero Sum and Malicious Behavior

The behavior of most people from India is deeply saturated in zero sum behavior and maliciousness. However, it is not as prevalent or intense in the younger and more affluent generations when compared to the older ones.

The reasons why Indians came to behave like this is not important, as any clever moron can come up with many reasonable sounding stories. The real question is-

What kept it going?

It comes down to something bigger than caste, tradition or other bullshit. The problem lies in their world-view.

The world view of an average indian man is very similar to an average indian woman, and to what is typically associated with a feminine mindset. Once gain, the reasons are less important than the existent pathology. Nor is it unique to Indians.

Look at what an average Indian man cares about- actions not words. The following portrtait is based in stuff I have observed over the years.

He most likely cares about making money, preferably by stealing or conning it from someone else. He is happy to do the same boring crap for eternity. He is excessively interested in controlling others even if hurts him in the long run.

He has no concept of camaraderie and will screw over his friends for small short-term gains. He displays inordinate interest and would meddle in the lives of others rather than improve his own.

He is insecure about what he is, and would rather suck up to someone or a group perceived as more powerful. He talks a lot about spirituality but his actions suggest otherwise. He has little interest in co-operation to do something bigger, but is quite happy about benefiting from the actions of others.

He lacks any sense of justice, based on his actions. He will tell you about the spirituality of vegetarianism and non-violence towards animals while trying to screw over the lives of other human beings. He spends a lot of his time gossiping about others, but does little to act on perceived unfairness.

And after behaving like this, he expects others to treat him with a level of justice, humanity and fairness that was absent in his interaction with others.

His primary obsession is perceived status obtained through screwing over others and acting holier-than-thou.

Comments?

  1. Gorbachev
    December 14, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Indian culture does seem to shoot itself in the foot.

    Why?

    Stealing is easier than cooperating, in the short term. However south- and central- american societies are no different.

    The west, since the 1980s, is also becoming like that. Praise the CONservative revolution!

  2. namae nanka
    December 14, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    heh, where are you getting these impressions from? Our mercantile classes are arguably the best in the world. Corruption and servility is dyed in bones for most.

    LOL

  3. December 14, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Don’t forget:
    Jews are cheap.
    Blacks are lazy.
    Asians are nerds.
    White people smell like cold cuts.
    Hispanics mow lawns.
    And people that write blogs don’t need to show any evidence for their grand sweeping generalizations. Don’t get me wrong. I’m as ethnocentric as you, I’d just like to see some examples that are based in reality.

    Oh, I was just using some of my relatives and old acquaintances as material.

  4. December 14, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    I’ve had entirely favorable experiences with Indians, but then the only ones I interact with are ones studying (or professoring) abroad in the US, usually grad students in math, comp sci, or engineering.

    The educated AND well off are OK, especially the younger ones.

    The professors especially can be quite awesome. I guess that’s a long way from the average dude living in India, though!

    Actually.. the average dudes are not the real problem either. It is the traditionalists AND white-whores who are the real problem.

  5. Gordon
    December 14, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    I’d be curious to see you do an article on the Arabs stripped away of the jingoistic/judeocentric-agenda bullshit that permeates so many analyses of the Islamic world.

    They share many of the same failings of Indians, with some religion-culture specific variations.

    • Gordon
      December 14, 2010 at 10:18 pm

      I remember reading an article that mentioned a Saudi Royal Army military unit training. The captain was barking orders at troops on a hot summer day from an air conditioned announcer’s box.

      • Nestorius
        December 15, 2010 at 3:18 am

        Arabs have adopted the most extreme forms of capitalism. Everything that Arabs adopt, they take it to the extreme. And when you point at their behavior, they give you the usual excuse that this is how they do it in the West. Many of them are self-hating with an inferiority complex. Many are Islamic supremacists. Many others are Arab supremacists but still with an inferiority complex.
        When I say Arabs, I mean all those who call themselves as such, because there are many non-Arabs in Arab countries.

  6. DoesNotMatter
    December 15, 2010 at 10:22 am

    You Bastard! You’ve nailed it exactly as it is. Sure you used your relatives, but they are not that different from the Indian mass.

  7. DoesNotMatter
    December 15, 2010 at 11:32 am

    I see that you are big on checks and balances of power. I too am oretty big on these. However I’m curious. Where must these checks and balances come from? Where can they come from? Is each individual responsible for providing checks and balances or do you put your faith in insitutions. Are you suggesting the creation of a different system with different structures or are you again laying the responsibility on each individual.

    Systems are not created. They evolve based on input, randomness and circumstances.

    My own take is that the it is upto the individual. Let’s again take India’s case. It’s usual for politicians in india to kidnap pretty girls they happen to like. Unlike here where pols are conmen, in India they are goons and hoodlums. the police is of no help and the hapless girl’s family just mourns and grieves. the police ofcourse are no help. They are too busy breaking up romancing couples to preserve “Indian” culture. My own belief is that it is the onus of the girl’s family, specifically her father to spend the rest of his life trying to blow up the politician and his friends and relatives sky hight o kingdom come.

    I agree.

    This is the only check and balance of power in my view. How many of them would just kidnap girls off the streets if they felt that only 10% of them might go after them in the most primal way. Any thoughts?

    Yes, the only check on sociopaths is their untimely and violent death.

    • DoesNotMatter
      December 15, 2010 at 11:55 am

      Hmm! So you belueve that it is upto every indivudual. I believe you have a PhD. Was it in chaos theory? How did you happen to stumble upon such a worldview otherwise?

      Based on my observations, only a real possibility of dying will dissuade sociopaths. It works regardless of race, religion, era, ethnicity or technological levels.

      • Nestorius
        December 15, 2010 at 12:55 pm

        This is how it worked since the infinite beginning of history.
        Why do you think “an eye for an eye” was put as law? For whom this law was meant?

      • DoesNotMatter
        December 15, 2010 at 1:00 pm

        so we both agree that Gandhian Philosophy had no effect apart from to castrate several generations of Indian males. I wonder when their testicles will drop again, if they ever did. that man is certainly the best thing that happened to sociopaths in modern times.

        That moron was an unmitigated disaster.

        That being said, the great man was not without his contributions. He did contribute a lot in the study of fasting and it’s effects on the human body.

        and sleeping with naked teenage groupies to prove that he had overcome carnal temptations.

  8. Ted
    December 16, 2010 at 9:07 am

    I don’t if Indians “screw themselves” to a higher degree than other groups, but I wonder if part of the reason is the diversity of the country. Nations that are ethnically homogenous, such as Japan or Scandanavian countries, tend to have a greater degree of trust in their neighbors. Ethnically diverse nations, such as India, Latin American nations, and Middle Eastern nations, tend to view those that are different with varying degree of suspicion. It may range from “Don’t marry them” on one end to “Let’s chase them out.” on the other end.

    Discouraging interaction among different groups is a non-starter, and in India, it is impossible. But, having to constantly re-assure your potential neighbors or business partners that you are trustworthy is a remarkable waste of time.

    If you want to live at the 5th century AD level for all eternity.. sure.

    And yet, among some segments of Indian communities in the West, Indians will often bemoan these behaviors, while socializing with just other Indians. At least, this was the case with my parents’ generation, that moved here in the 1960s and 1970s. Their white neighbors help them dig out when there is a heavy snowfall, and on other occasions too – yet they do not socialize with them. To be fair, I have relatives in the Midwest that will often chat and lend a hand to their white neighbors. It could be just that my parents have retained the worst aspects of Indian behavior, particularly a tendency to gossip.

    The worst aspects of Indian behavior are in reality- feminine traits.

    As you noted, this is less of an issue among younger Indians. We went to school with different people, and if you were the only Indian kid in your school, “sticking with your own” is not an option. I’ve often told people that I was teased more for my glasses than my ethnicity.

  9. December 26, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Nestorius :
    Arabs have adopted the most extreme forms of capitalism. Everything that Arabs adopt, they take it to the extreme. And when you point at their behavior, they give you the usual excuse that this is how they do it in the West. Many of them are self-hating with an inferiority complex. Many are Islamic supremacists. Many others are Arab supremacists but still with an inferiority complex.
    When I say Arabs, I mean all those who call themselves as such, because there are many non-Arabs in Arab countries.

    Hint: Arabs live in the desert (a literal zero-sum set of life experience.) Any culture that’s based in an environment of near-to-total privation of resources has a tendency to evince extreme behaviour. Period, and doubly so in situations in which the already deprived people are bunched together in whatever “livable” areas are present in that environment.

    Teutons (Germanic, Belgian, etc.) versus Scandinavians. During the “Dark Ages”, the Scandinavian countries produced large amounts of Vikings, people who literally got inebriated/intoxicated and murdered thousands of people in pillaging sprees (let’s remember that the amount of readily available farm land in those countries was incredibly low at that time.) OTOH, the Germanic kingdoms at that time were as fertile as Eden. Jump ahead a thousand years, and you have a pacifistic group of countries (with, coincidentally or not, large enough levels of farmable land to feed their people) and… (Godwin alert) an impoverished, destitute post-WWI Germany (after having been convinced of the superiority of blond/blue people by a brown/brown man) engage in intercontinental genocide. Does the world have anything to fear from (let’s say) Swedish people with axes and hallucinogens (at this moment in time?) No. Does the world have anything to fear from bratwurst munching, techno music-blasting German sociopaths (at this moment in time?) No. But both peoples were driven to homicidal desperation due to lack of resources, despite the fact that they (as well as almost every single group of people that’s ever grown past the size of a decently-populated campsite) had the same taboos against killing as anyone else. Extremism and lack of resources (from a historical standpoint) go hand in hand.

    But, back on topic, India (due to {arguably} overpopulation and difficulty in maintenance of widespread agriculture {clearing land in an overgrown jungle has to be difficult) seems (by my personal observation, not by masses of studies by accredited persons) to be on the cusp of that abovementioned observation (with the resultant, “I’ll get mine, you can get yours however you’d like without my help” mindset.)

  10. Meme
    February 20, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    These negative traits of Indians are not feminine traits but rather traits of people who are family oriented and inward looking. By inward looking I don’t mean self-reflective or philosophical, though there are plenty of Indians who are both of those. India is afterall, the birthplace of both philosophy and the concept of God.

    What I mean by “inward looking” is they are concerned with themselves and their families. Their world is small. Anything outside of that world is fit fodder for gossip. Many Indians also have a lot of time on their hands to engage in gossip. The elderly retired don’t stay active. They re-domesticate themselves and interfere in the lives of the younger generations.

    Even young financially stable Indians who don’t have to work hard to eat also have a lot of time on their hands to engage in gossip, especially of people who are not living their same lifestyle or share their same values.

    There needs to be a dating service for elderly widowed Indians so that they can keep their nose out of their grandkids’ personal lives.

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