Discuss: Are Schools and Universities Still Relevant?

Schools and universities, as they have existed for the last 200-odd years, had two main meta-functions:

1. To perpetuate the status quo- through the illusions of competence, fair play and authority.

2. To provide and maintain useful knowledge for the purpose of training people.

While these institutions have evolved over time, it is painfully obvious to the objective observer that they are no longer essential for type 2 functions. The internet and material available on it are easier to access, cheaper, more current, less one-sided and superior to what the vast majority of educational institutions can possibly provide.

Why should people pay for the privilege of interacting with these irrelevant, useless, disingenuous, pompous and delusional douchebags?

Educational institutions have become roadblocks and speed-bumps on the path of knowledge, innovation and creativity. They seem to now exist solely for type 1 reasons- perpetuating the fraud of scholarship, credentialism and as the hand-maidens of the PTB.

Institutional educators ARE the clergy of our age- and they deserve the same scorn, mockery and enforced irrelevance suffered by priests of traditional religions. The only good priest is a dead priest.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. Columnist
    March 20, 2011 at 4:25 am

    http://europenews.dk/en/node/40878

    Report: Hardline Islamist Donors Pour Hundreds of Millions of Dollars Into Top British Universities
    Weasel Zippers 7 March 2011

    Sir Howard Davies, the director of the London School of Economics, has at last done the honourable thing and resigned from the university’s governing council. The LSE’s shameless prostituting of its good name in return for Muammar Gaddafi’s blood money (as the Tory MP Robert Halfon has rightly called it) is as great a betrayal of the spirit of a university as there has ever been in Britain.

  2. March 20, 2011 at 6:03 am

    Knowledge has little to do with it. For the majority of people who go there, colleges/universities are largely about courtship/sex training in a relatively safe environment away from their parents.

  3. 691
    March 20, 2011 at 7:00 am

    “Why should people pay for the privilege of interacting with these irrelevant, useless, disingenuous, pompous and delusional douchebags?”

    Exactly. I get that privilege for free by reading this blog.

    You read it on your own accord.

  4. March 20, 2011 at 7:36 am

    My university years were the most useless and disgusting years of my life. “Best time of your life” — my ass.

    Institutional educators ARE the clergy of our age

    Yes, and it is worth pointing out that Universities orginally started out in the middle ages as religious institutions, run by monks.

    • March 20, 2011 at 8:43 am

      Professors are lords, universities and departments are fiefs, and students are serfs.

  5. March 20, 2011 at 10:46 am

    You totally skipped the main point: research. Of course the pedagogical aspects of university are useless. But right now the university is the best environment for researchers to gather and work together. Granted, better environments could exist, e.g., a university minus all the undergrad bs. What do you think would be the best environment for research to take place?

    • March 20, 2011 at 11:15 am
      • almost 40 yoV
        March 21, 2011 at 7:15 am

        Science brothel, more accurately.
        Try to have an original thought that goes against the current “theories”(actually laws bordering on quasi religious dogmas).

        You´ll find yourself out of that government grant and flipping burgers(if lucky) in no time.

    • March 20, 2011 at 11:37 am

      The best place to do research is at home, with all the books and articles you need on your hard drive.

  6. Matt
    March 20, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    I will have to say that I have been quite impressed with the job the professors I’ve had in seminary so far have done of organizing and guiding my studies. The course have been mostly high-level surveys of several topics, including the history of Buddhism. I have developed a good appreciation of the subjects and have a good understanding of where to start my research if I want to go much deeper.

    So, unlike the state university where I wasted my time and money doing Computer Science studies, I am finding seminary to be quite worthwhile. In another five years or so I hope to leave the IT field completely. 40 years was way too much.

    • almost 40 yoV
      March 21, 2011 at 7:20 am

      Matt :
      I will have to say that I have been quite impressed with the job the professors I’ve had in seminary so far have done of organizing and guiding my studies.

      Oh yeah, they´re VERY good at that. As long as you stay faithful to the “scriptures” and become just another docile text-book repeater they´ll be your bestest friends.

  7. blackdude
    March 20, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    yeah it is a complete waste of life UNLESS u plan on getting laid there, and u can do that by just living NEAR a campus and pretending to be a student….

    BUT how do u explain this to someone who is thinking about wasting their life in college who is young (like a family member who u actually care about?) I tried, and everyone within a 50 mile radius came down on me like I was SATAN HIMSELF lol….

  8. Ted
    March 21, 2011 at 6:50 am

    Outside of technical or scientific fields, such as medicine, engineering, etc., universities are largely an expensive credentialing service. After you graduate, a company is supposed to be able to look at the school you went to and from that alone determine whether you are qualified for the job. This removes the cost of training from the private sector to the publicly subsidized higher ed. industry.

    But, with cheap communication, private companies can simply higher cheap educated labor in countries as varied as China, India, South Africa, Ireland, etc.. That is why in the U.S., you see increasing bullshit arguments from business that schools are not producing enough qualified graduates. What they mean is that the schools are not producing enough qualified graduates who are willing to work for a lower wage. Given the heavy debt burdens that students have upon graduation, that is not always an option.

    Personally, I got more practical use from my high school education, from a dreaded public school, than I did from the overpriced graduate and business programs I went to.

  9. almost 40 yoV
    March 21, 2011 at 7:33 am

    You can “home school” yourself for years, unless you don´t have that magic diploma(& experience in the most arcane thingamagics the employer is currently using) nobody will hire you.
    THAT´s the only reason you have to get a so called “higher education”.

    I wish somebody had told me 20 years ago to just learn what I love and cheat, bribe, cajole, blackmail this institution and their small minded gatekeepers for these useless papers.

    Though in truth it´s not even knowledge that usually gets you employed. It´s who you know. Which is largely based on the status you have.
    These diplomas are nothing but status badges.
    That´s why females actually want to study. Never for the knowledge, but always to raise their own status so that they think they will get the “better” males.

    • Ted
      March 21, 2011 at 9:34 am

      “That´s why females actually want to study. Never for the knowledge, but always to raise their own status so that they think they will get the “better” males.”

      But, women will want to study alongside those males that exhibit other attractive qualities. That is why women go into MBA, JD, and MD programs, but are still a small portion of engineering and trades. While most men do not want to marry a truly stupid woman, a woman telling a guy, “I graduated from Harvard” is not going to get his romantic juices flowing.

      • P Ray
        April 15, 2016 at 11:22 pm

        If a man wants some hot or posh totty at the company to make the sales go up (besides other things), things will happen to make her employed.

        Stupid unqualified women have gone on to work from the bottom … to the top (Target’s former CIO Beth Jacob – who has a B.Sc in “Retail Management”) …
        so this highlights the reality that
        “training” in places of work … rarely gives you the QUALIFICATIONS for your job.

        Most jobs don’t have enough hours in the day for anyone to “learn anything new”. And, the people you are working under to “gain experience from” haven’t written anything noteworthy or achieved anything unique.

  10. meme
    March 25, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    You cannot break into many (most?) careers today without a degree.

    Unless you are a business entrepreneur, and how many of those are out there?

    Hence, people go to college to get the degree.

    It doesn’t guarantee work, but without you will be in “sales” for the rest of your life.

    Diaboli, what do YOU recommend in place of college?

    • P Ray
      April 18, 2016 at 11:57 pm

      You cannot break into many (most?) careers today without a degree.
      Unless you are a business entrepreneur, and how many of those are out there?

      Humans have biological needs – satisfy them in an efficient, sustainable manner and you can build a business around that.
      Over a certain level of demand, you can mechanise and keep more of the profit to yourself,
      or
      charge more to support older technologies (where upgrading to the latest would cost more than they are willing to spend)
      or
      niche repairs for mementos in their lives.

      Every part of the human experience can be exploited. Think hard about it.

  11. May 4, 2011 at 12:04 am
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