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Discuss: What Is Behind The Supposed Non-Attractiveness of Black Women?

I keep on hearing one funny and pathetic meme from various men, especially brown ones.

Black women are less attractive than non-black women.

Here is my counter question-

What do men find attractive in women?

In my opinion, men are universally attracted to a proportioned and youthful looking woman with a reasonably symmetrical face and clear, healthy skin. It also helps if the woman has a feminine attitude.

Let us break down the components..

A proportioned body means one that is curvy and feminine because most men like to fuck someone who looks like a woman, not a man. Therefore a small boned slender woman is just as attractive as a big-boned women with ass and tits, because they both look like women- rather than men. They key is proportion and ratios.

Youth is important for men because young women typically look hotter than older women. Cougars appear pathetic precisely because they are no longer hot- and it shows. Facial symmetry and a smooth tight skin are also desirable because they look and feel good.

So where does race fit into this? You can find women who fulfill all those attributes in any race. I have never found an attractive naked escort of any race to be physically undesirable.

If they make your dick hard, they are alright.

Attitude can be a deal breaker. In my opinion western white women and money-hungry asian bitches have the worst attitudes, followed by east-indian princesses. Unless you are dealing with someone from the projects, or full of herself, the overall attitude of black women is not particularly offensive- though latinas and east-europeans are more desirable.

Let us now talk about the real reason some men, especially brown ones, don’t “see” black women as attractive.

It comes down to social approval. Many men, especially brown and yellow ones, are not mentally masculine enough to do what they like. Look at their choices in careers, cars and clothes. Do you notice a pattern? They spend too much time pleasing others and absorbing their viewpoints rather than being their own man.

The way I see it-

I find hot women of all races attractive. I prefer to judge women on the strength of the erection they give me rather than their skin color or race. How many of those who consider black women as unattractive have been with a non-ugly black woman? I know what I am talking about..

You can choose social approval, I want passionate kinky sex with attractive women of any race. And I know this because I had a nice hour-long session with one this morning.


  1. anon666
    April 3, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    For me, hair is a pivotal issue. I’m a huge fan of long, silky smooth hair, and even with black women who have it straightened, the effect is not the same. To be fair, there are plenty of white girls with curly — albeit not kinky hair — and I’m not a huge fan of that either, although it’s not as bad as the tightly woven afro-textured hair.

    Secondly, facial features: this is mainly an issue with black women of West African descent, who constitute the majority of the African-American population. Broad noses and thick lips are less than feminine traits that most guys don’t go for. That said, women from East Africa — especially Ethiopians, Somalis and Eritreans — generally have more “caucasian-looking” facial features, and appear to inspire much more attraction among white guys.

    I’m not a huge fan of skin color that’s darker than light brown. I’m quite a fan of the olive-skinned to light-brown skinned women in West and Central Asia and the northern parts of India and Pakistan, but Tamils and Sub-Saharan Africans are too dark for my tastes (on average). That might simply be a subjective preference. That said, there is some evidence that there is a universal preference for lighter-skinned women, as per population, females have lighter-skin than males, young women have lighter skin than older women, and women who haven’t been pregnant have lighter skin than women who have. It can be looked at as a sign of estrogen and youthfulness. However, that’s just one factor out of many, and I’d prefer a dark-skinned woman with a tight body over a chubby white chick any day.

    I am attracted to quite a few mixed-race black women like Beyonce and Alicia Keys (that is, in the pics where she doesn’t have cornrows). However, these are lighter skinned women with gracile facial features and hair that at least has the appearance of being silky smooth.

    And you’re right that attitude matters a lot — a lot of men might go for women who aren’t necessarily their physical ideal because they might find it easier to get along with them culturally.

  2. volume
    April 3, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Black man speaking.

    Take em’ PLEASE. Not for lack of attraction. Attitude.TOO MUCH

    True, the ones who grew up in N. America are fucked in the head.

    • anon666
      April 3, 2011 at 2:40 pm

      What if she were from Ethiopia? Or Brazil?

      They are often AWESOME- looks and attitude. Of course, each person has to be evaluated individually.

      • volume
        April 3, 2011 at 2:49 pm

        You know my boy, Italian mom/African-American Dad, always had a thing for Ethiopians and once I was able to ID them better with his help(everybody was black til that point) I had to agree. Brazilian? I’m over them (watched to much BUTTMAN when I was young, burnt-out).

  3. Matt
    April 3, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    I am of Irish descent and I have discovered that I’m not particularly xenophillic. What really rings my chimes, irrational as it may be, is red hair, pale trancelucent skin and freckles.

    I’m not saying it is rational or even a good idea, there’s just a part of my brain wired that way.

  4. volume
    April 3, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    …ohh and light or dark. No problem. Hair? Problem. I prefer Natural on most black women. NO LONGER big into perms. All the other things they do to their hair? Yuck. The weight is getting ridiculous (somewhat universal amongst AW). My biggest beef?

    They don’t work out generally. Hair-related. Double-yuck. Kinky just ain’t enough the cut it anymore.

    The ones from Caribbean islands are often much better- weight and attitude-wise.

  5. volume
    April 3, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Attitude/fucked in the head.

    Yeah, that about nails it.

  6. April 3, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    It’s not their attitude or their hair or even social approval. I am just turned off by their dark skin and I find their faces unattractive, that is all. Black women also tend to have more masculine facial features. There is no social element to it, it’s rather objective.

  7. April 3, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Very dark skin is a very masculine feature.

    Depends on the frame, face and skin texture etc.

    I have had many amazing experiences with slim and dark Caribbean escorts.

  8. April 3, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    “I find hot women of all races attractive.”

    This is redundant. The question is whether “hot women” are to be found in comparable proportions in all races.

    Fat and ugly women are unattractive, irrespective of race.

    Thick women with the right face and attitude can be a lot of fun. Curvy and slender ones are fun too. In my opinion, the two real issues with black women in the USA are- weight and attitude.

    There is a huge difference in both those areas between Caribbean and S.American black women when compared to their US counterparts.

    • April 3, 2011 at 8:36 pm

      “Fat and ugly women are unattractive, irrespective of race.”

      Right. And, also redundant 🙂

    • ranji
      April 3, 2011 at 11:44 pm

      There is a huge difference in both those areas between Caribbean and S.American black women when compared to their US counterparts.

      for that matter, there is a huge phenotypic difference between east african descended chicks and west african descended chicks (most of the north and south american type of blacks) in terms of body habitus and facial morphology.

  9. Ted
    April 3, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    It’s fairly well established that black people, men and women, have higher testosterone levels than other races. For men, that’s fine. Women prefer high testosterone men. But for exactly the same reasons, men prefer low testosterone women.

    In this country, as, I suspect, most of the world, black men and asian women are the most likely to marry outside of their races. Asian men and black women are the least likely. Asians, of course, tend to have the least testosterone. I haven’t observed that the latter 2 groups look inward (racially) any more than the former, though I can’t say I’ve paid much attention.

    On a more personal level, the american born black women I’ve known have tended toward having an entitlement mentality that dwarfs even that of american white women. You wouldn’t think that possible, but it seems to be.

    • April 29, 2018 at 9:40 am


      on your last paragraph, it’s correct. But white men ALSO have a very bad entitlement complex. The two most “freest” people in the USSA are white men and black women, hence the putrid entitlement complex that comes with both groups of people.

      • May 2, 2018 at 8:00 am

        Mr O…
        As the blue-collar 62-year-old white US male that I am, I agree with you (same as I agree with most of your opinions and thoughts).

        One of my self-principles is, “Be informed, be aware, be self-aware”. As I try to live up to my own principle, that white-male entitlement is one of the multitude of issues I’ve deliberated.

        My own behavior is probably representative: while, rationally and objectively, I promote a practicable egalitarianism, I observe myself defaulting to “all the marbles for MEEE!!” behavior which my white-US-male entitlement neatly serves, unless I consciously override the default.

        Human mammal/tribal instincts readily enlist anything which serves their purpose.

  10. ranji
    April 3, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    here’s what i don’t get: you have no problem whatsoever vocalizing that you have little to no interest in asian chicks because you don’t find their faces attractive. nonetheless, you decry any guy that doesn’t find black chicks’ faces attractive.

    why is this not a hypocritical position?

    btw, i have no problem with your right (or any guy’s right) to have whatever preferences you want in chicks, but i find your disapproval with other guys’ choices amusing and probably indicative of you getting too emotionally invested in this issue.

  11. Columnist
    April 4, 2011 at 5:56 am

    If you have children with Black women, your children will have Affirmative Action.

  12. Ted
    April 4, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Well, I’m one of those Indian guys who is attracted to black women, but I have to admit that I have had more luck with Asian girls. The black women I’ve gone out with are college-educated, often raised in the suburbs. But I always get the feeling that they are just passing time until a more suitable black guy comes along. In some places, being on a date with me would draw less attention than if they dated a white guy. I have to give Asian women points on being more upfront on whether they are interested or not.

  13. lol
    April 4, 2011 at 11:08 am

    “It comes down to social approval. Many men, especially brown and yellow ones, are not mentally masculine enough to do what they like.”

    You are using textbook feminist shaming language to make men like women they don’t like. “Dissent and skepticism” indeed.

    “How many of those who consider black women as unattractive have been with a non-ugly black woman?”

    I’ve seen an endless amount of black women on the Internet and elsewhere and I have not considered even a single one of them to be attractive enough to date. Some of them I would hypothetically have sex with, though even those women are relatively rare. Why is this such a problem for you? Do you lie awake at night thinking about how many men prefer different women than you? Everywhere I go there is some fuckwit like you preaching to me about how I should only be attracted to the same women they are, and should only select them using the same criteria they do.

    “You can choose social approval, I want passionate kinky sex with attractive women of any race.”

    False dilemma. I don’t want or need either of those.

    I look forward to your next post where you talk about how being attracted to Asian women is pedophilia. You want to maintain your feminist street cred, don’t you?

  14. March 7, 2014 at 12:04 pm

    volume :
    You know my boy, Italian mom/African-American Dad, always had a thing for Ethiopians and once I was able to ID them better with his help(everybody was black til that point) I had to agree. Brazilian? I’m over them (watched to much BUTTMAN when I was young, burnt-out).

    John “Buttman” Stagliano was brilliant back then, man. He made Sir Mix-A-Lot look like a liar when he showcased BBWGs (Big Booty White Girls). White girls got ass, too!

  15. March 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    Many AA women are fucked up, but not all, not all (and it’s not all about having a diva complex or being overweight/obese). So far, the mulatto, yellow/redbone black escorts gave me the best sex I ever had! It also brings me to your point when you said to avoid most American-born white escorts and I come to terms that American white girls are supremely overrated. It’s not a racial thing (even though AA females have more baggage than other races of women here in the USA), but it’s more of a cultural issue that lies within. Most American chicks are fucked up. Even some of the foreign ones who come to the USA, they become corrupted by Western society. Eddie Murphy even jokingly acknowledged this in his 1987 stand-up routine, “Raw”.

  16. July 11, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    Everyone has their own preferences for various reasons, which is similar to AD’s dislike to western white women. I will not get into too much detail as to why AA women collectively bring it on themselves (remember that feminism existed in the AA community way before white women “created” it in the 1960s), but here’s one video from a guy named TENSpeaks on YouTube which was posted in 2010 originally…

  1. April 4, 2011 at 8:29 am

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