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Discuss: Why Are Marginal Women So Uppity?

One of the main reasons behind my decision to go for the porn-escort-fling route was:

Even marginal women were uppity towards me.

I can understand if a high 7, or above, woman does not want to seen with me. I can understand if an average-looking woman in a “relationship” does not want to screw around.

But I am offended when a single 30-something woman, single mother or mediocre girl is uppity. My earlier posts do talk about this somewhat bizarre phenomena. Note that many of these woman have no issues with previously unacceptable white men.

My foray into the world of paying for sex, first on an unofficial basis with marginal needy young girls, and then with well compensated professionals was partially driven by such experiences. What is whole point of trying to chase women when a compensated needy young girl is hotter, more compliant and better in bed? Why chase after a flaky 6 when you can get a professional 8 to take it up the ass, with a much better attitude?


  1. anon666
    April 8, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    I’m guessing that they’re uppity because they’re miserable. I have found fat ugly girls to have the most abrasive personalities. Even if the hot girls reject you, they generally do it with less nastiness than the fugly ones.

  2. April 9, 2011 at 12:05 am

    I discovered the same. Ugly women often have the same bitch shield as the better looking ones. So why not hitting on the better looking ones?

  3. April 9, 2011 at 12:41 am

    I know A.D. does not believe in HBD, but I think the cause may be cross-assortative mating between attractiveness and agreeableness.

  4. Webe
    April 9, 2011 at 2:38 am

    A five will conclude from the fact that you want her that you are not top of the bill. It makes her very mad that she can’t do better, and she blames you as the agent of her unmaking. Of course if you show no interest in her, she will also blame you as the instrument of het fate. And if by some chance she does experience you as quality goods, she will conclude that you are toying with her or are only interested in a short-term sexual diversion. The logic is completely consistent and self-contained.
    In traditional society where marriages are largely dictated by practical concerns there is a lot more chance that people will make the best of what they have instead of capitalizing on what they do not have.

    • Redpill
      April 9, 2011 at 3:05 am

      Webe :
      A five will conclude from the fact that you want her that you are not top of the bill.
      I’ve known 2’s that act like that…
      It makes her very mad that she can’t do better, and she blames you as the agent of her unmaking. Of course if you show no interest in her, she will also blame you as the instrument of het fate. And if by some chance she does experience you as quality goods, she will conclude that you are toying with her or are only interested in a short-term sexual diversion. The logic is completely consistent and self-contained.
      Which of course is the only reason anyone would ever show any interest in her, but the truth is too ugly for her to accept.

      In traditional society where marriages are largely dictated by practical concerns there is a lot more chance that people will make the best of what they have instead of capitalizing on what they do not have.

      Such are the Four Sirens of the Sexual Apocalypse… Nobody is immune.

      • Redpill
        April 9, 2011 at 3:07 am

        okay so it is cite then end quote. I wish wordpress had an edit feature.

    • anon666
      April 9, 2011 at 10:10 am

      “In traditional society where marriages are largely dictated by practical concerns there is a lot more chance that people will make the best of what they have instead of capitalizing on what they do not have.”

      I agree, although I prefer living in the modern world regardless of this. However, my agreement with your basic point is why I don’t blame women or feminism for the sorry state of modern relationships. I think modernism itself is to blame. The reason why one can no longer expect guarantees in a relationship is because the modern world offers too many options that one might perceive as being better than one’s relationship with one’s current boyfriend, girlfriend, husband or wife. Barring high exit costs, men and women alike will abandon those they once claimed to love, or even genuinely loved, if they perceive themselves — rightly or wrongly — as having a chance with somebody of higher value. I’ve done it, and I’ve had it done to me.

      One way to prevent this as a man is to “marry down” with a woman who isn’t likely to find somebody of higher value than you who wants her. Today, that means marrying an ugly woman — even if a woman’s background is white trash, she’ll have no lack of would-be suitors if she’s hot. The other strategy to prevent abandonment is to consistently “demonstrate higher value” throughout the course of your relationship, which to me, sounds extremely stressful and not a particularly enjoyable use of my time.

    • P Ray
      February 9, 2017 at 12:20 am

      sluthate had a good exchange about that:
      Re: Think of how easy life would be in a monogamous society.
      by stamaster21 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:27 am
      OmegaKV wrote:
      Icecutter101 wrote:
      women would rather be alone than marry a substandard beta

      A childless woman is the female equivalent of an incel. When women hit their 30s and Chad loses interest in them, women DO marry betas. Monogamy is all about getting Chad to be off limits to women early on, so that incels can have women when they are young.

      You mean normal men incels usually can’t even get average 5/10s to marry of have them for ltr.That it was like 90 years ago guys would pair off with females from ages 17-21.In this 5 year window most girls found their life partner.But since the average women aka 5/10 can get sex with a guy who is a 7/10 sometimes higher she would rather that deal.Fuck guys out of her league in short -term flings in the teens and 20s then when she is in her early 30s and the top 20 percent ignore her she has her looks match to fall back on.But what is happening is the average guys are not marrying or having children with these women.Since a women’s value is her looks,youth and fertility most women lose about 60 percent of there looks by the time they hit age 30 its hard to sell yourself for ltr even to a average man.
      Then these women are forced to marry or long-term men they think are below them she was 6/10 when she was young now she is 30 and is a 5/10 and the 5/10 guys her age don’t want her besides for sex.She now marries a 4/10 man and is angry at him withholds sex after the children are born,complains is always angry.But in reality she is angry with herself but takes it out on the husband to feel better even saying its hes fault.The husbands then try to be nice and caring but that makes the women even more angry because now she can’t be a bitch to him without coming off as the one in the wrong.Divorce happens and to add insult to injury now she wants alimony and hes pension etc she thinks she deserves these things because she had to settle with a loser in her eyes and lost good years of her life.
      (COMMENT: Ref: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3178964/Want-big-family-Start-23-age-32-one-child-Scientists-develop-fertility-calculator-warns-against-leaving-motherhood-late.html)

      That exchange perfectly explains why “women are angry most of the time” – the man in her life has very little to do with it. The women are simply angry that they’ve become older, and thus turned into one of the 7 words you can tear down any woman with: bitch, crazy, cunt, fat, slut, ugly, whore

  5. Roy
    April 9, 2011 at 2:42 am

    I’d say she was suffering from a massive inferiority complex slug. So she acts “I’m too good for you”, not knowing (or maybe she DOES know) that her attitude is obnoxious.
    Give her a dose of her own medicine in return.
    Be uppity or even downright disdainful of her mere presence – and watch her hit the roof >-]

    • Redpill
      April 9, 2011 at 2:57 am

      She will straight up cry a lot of times…

  6. Redpill
    April 9, 2011 at 2:56 am

    As a white guy (IT worker but not the fucktarded untreated spergy type that AD likes to rant about) I have noticed the whole “fat girl with attitude” thing.

    I think it is a number of factors coming into play.

    1. She is miserable with her lot in life so she projects it outwardly in an enhanced “bitch shield”. (On a side note, I think Mystery calls it a “protection shield” now since wearing misogyny on your shoulder inhibits Game.)

    2. Her rationalization hamster gives her the delusion that because she was some jock’s last resort for a one night stand, then she must be a catch, hence the entitlement complex and insanely high standards. I’ve seen this in real life too. (Hat tip to Roissy’s “Five Minutes of Alpha…” maxim)

    The quickest way to get her to cry is to tell her that nobody will ever love her or imply that she is a “practice girl” or someone’s last resort.

    I totally agree with AD on this one in that chasing after this sort of marginal tail is debilitating and not worth the effort compared to what else is available.

    • P Ray
      February 9, 2017 at 12:10 am

      I remember reading this somewhere, I’ve summarised it so men can deploy it easily:
      7 words that can destroy a woman:
      bitch cunt crazy fat slut ugly whore

      Most women refuse to recognise that they are probably going to become the “practice girl”, but especially because they chose a guy with plenty of options,
      they don’t want to pick a guy without plenty of options
      “what will my friends think”(that I constantly compete against, and who don’t really help me)

      Women are the best communicators, probably because men stupidly rationalise what women say in a positive sense, rather than understanding “she reacts differently depending on whether she finds the guy attractive or not”.

      • P Ray
        October 29, 2018 at 9:51 pm

        I remember reading this somewhere, I’ve summarised it so men can deploy it easily:
        7 words that can destroy a woman:
        bitch cunt crazy fat slut ugly whore

        aaaand that article is no longer online. Looks like Google is selectively reporting results, but then likes to “warn others about fake news”.
        In other words, censorship is okay, but lying isn’t. Google is certainly becoming a company that looks like it is being directed by lawyers and pedants.

      • P Ray
        February 4, 2019 at 10:09 pm

        Anyhow, proof of the effectiveness of those words:
        Mother-of-four model, 36, dies just hours after posting cryptic Facebook message about ‘fat, ugly c***’ insult
        Mother-of-four Alli MacDonnell’s death has shocked friends and family in Ireland
        The 36-year-old autism campaigner signed to Andrea Roche’s AR Model Agency
        Hours before she died Miss MacDonnell posted a cryptic message on Facebook
        Friends and family called her ‘beautiful inside and out’ in heartfelt tributes

        So the 7 words, the kind a boyfriend (that is attractive to other girls) will be allowed to say to his girlfriend …
        but his girlfriend will never accept that being said to her by other guys.

        Let’s make it 8 words so that 4 pairs can be created:
        (stupid) bitch, crazy cunt, fat slut, ugly whore

        Now it’s so much easier to remember! Plus many people have heard it elsewhere too!

      • P Ray
        August 19, 2019 at 11:08 pm

        Just discovered another useful one: hairy

        Women like to show off how different and non-men they are to the men they are attracted to

        So a woman who is attracted to you will shave her pubes to be more like a teenage sex fantasy to the guy she likes.

        If a woman won’t shave for you, she isn’t attracted to you.

        So deploy this against the uppity women – it still works.

      • August 24, 2019 at 1:45 pm

        Yep…in my experiences, when women are sexually attracted to me, not only will they explicitly ask me if I prefer smooth or otherwise,… and make clear by using those very words that they want me to call them and think of them as my “whore, slut, cunt”,… but will also initiate or actively invite interaction with me — they approach me, I don’t have to chase them

        A woman who wants a guy sexually will crawl through barbed wire to get to him. So, when a guy feels like he’s having to crawl through the barbed wire to get her — he’s on a losing battlefield, regrettably.

  7. Lovekraft
    April 10, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    The youtube channel LVJ1112 has many archived Tom Leykis radio shows.

    He tears a strip off bitchy feminists every show. A real eye-opener.

    Your welcome.

    this one?


  8. DoesNotMatter
    April 12, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    i’ve noticed it too. But the good news is that younger, hotter chicks are easier to game and bed. the hell Marginal chicks. The less their value, the more they charge for it. Go for the hottiesand the cuties. Works for me. Neither I nor any of my friends have managed to bed a marginal chick. Something is wrong with them.

  9. P Ray
    September 1, 2019 at 7:19 pm

    The final positive outcome for a guy who realises the woman he could GET … was NOT attracted to him:

    Overheard my [26M] fiancé [24F] tell her friend on the phone that she “settled for being with me,” and that marrying me was her “last resort.”

    26,749 points•2,554 comments•submitted 18 hours ago * by Visaul to r/relationship_advice6

    Update 2: Just did one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do. Today after breakfast I told her we should “sit down and talk.” She was hesitant, but I said it was important. We went to the living room and she said to me “I already know what this is about.” My post apparently made it to the front page, so of course she saw it after scrolling down a bit under “popular.” Of course the water works started happening right away. I told her what she said had deeply hurt me, but obviously she already knew that since she read my post. Through her tears, she said “I was just joking, I wasn’t serious.” She then went on saying stuff like “I love you, I love you.” I told her I can’t be in a marriage where my S/O doesn’t love me the same way I love them. She tried to tell me that she loved me and that I meant something to her. But it was all bullshit. She said she “didn’t want to lose me.” I told her I don’t think this marriage was the right decision. And from there I basically told her it was over. I told her I knew how she really felt about me, and that it was fucked yo she basically played with my emotions. For all those wondering, we have no kids, and I pay fully for the apartment we live in, and I own almost everything we have other then her clothes. I even pay for her car. So after all of this she’ll have little to nothing left. Before our marriage, we agreed to sign a pre-nup, and at that moment, I’ve never been so happy with a decision I’ve made in my life. After that it was a few second of awkward silence, before she said to me “Fuck you.” She started screaming at me, telling me “you just can’t end things like that.” I told her I could do whatever I wanted, and that’s when she became very hostile. She screamed at me saying, “You’re the fucking worst relationship I’ve ever been in. You think I can’t find someone again?” “Do you think you’ll ever from someone as good as me? You’re a fucking idiot [my name].” She grabbed her bag and phone, and said “I’m leaving!” Before slamming the door behind her. At that moment I felt like I was on one of those dramatic sitcoms you’d find of TV. I sat down on the couch and cried, and I’m still crying as I type this up. It’s both happy and sad tears, and I knew it was only time before she cheated on me or left me. She never loved me, it was obvious. Our relationship only went one way, and I feel like a complete idiot for not seeing it earlier I live in California, and I’m gonna start the process to annul our marriage. Tomorrow, I’m gonna start throwing all of her belongings in to trash bags, cause that’s essentially where they belong. (I’m not throwing out her stuff. Just using the trash bags as a way to give her back the things she owns.) Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your kind words and your great advice. All of you gave me the courage to stand up for myself, and I know my life will certainly improve as a result.

    Edit/Update: Thanks everyone for the kind words! Really has made me feel a lot better! Going to be talking to her soon. Also, I noticed a lot of people thinking this post is fake, I understand how it could be seen that way, but it isn’t. I’ve been engaged to her for over a year and a half, and just 3 months ago we got married. Not really used to calling her my “wife” yet. Also I used an old alt since she uses Reddit. Anyways thanks for the advice everyone, it amazes me how people on the Internet can care so much about a person they don’t even know. I’m going to talk to her today. I will be updating you all soon after.

    Edit: Meant to put wife in the title but now I can’t change it.

    Basically the title. I overheard my wife talking to one of her best friends on the phone while I was passing the bedroom. This friend is in a serious relationship. My wife then said to her, “Sweetie, remember it’s your choice. Don’t settle for just anyone. That’s the mistake I made. Who knows who else I could of had. [My name] was my very last resort, and now look where it made me end up.” Hearing that honestly broke my heart in two. Does she even love me? Why am I being treated as a second base?

    Am I being dramatic and overreacting? I haven’t said anything about it since. I honestly don’t know what to do, but hearing her say has really made me upset.

  10. P Ray
    September 20, 2019 at 1:15 am

    Next time someone gets the number of a marginal woman who is acting uppity, send them this:

    “That Doesn’t Make You A Model” by Robert James Hoffman III (born September 21, 1980) who is an American actor, dancer, and choreographer.

    A lot of women are also going on patreon, gofundme, twitch and tumblr because they know the guy they’re attracted to … has lots of other women to choose from
    they DON’T want to be with the guy they’re NOT attracted to, to get money.

    If patreon, gofundme, twitch and tumblr closed down, a lot of women would actually starve … or regular/ugly guys would suddenly be getting sex.

  11. P Ray
    October 9, 2019 at 5:55 am

    “Is porn putting YOU in danger? Tracey Cox reveals how young men are forcing women to imitate risky sex moves they’ve seen on screen – from ‘choking’ to face-slapping”

    Actually … women only complain about that behaviour … from men they’re not attracted to. It’s the ultimate shit test. So if a woman complains about these behaviours from you … she doesn’t appreciate, need or want you … the guy also has to get some fun out of sex.

    1.Pain is not everyone’s idea of pleasure
    2.Hard, painful spanking
    4.No foreplay
    5.Slapping the clitoris
    6.Face slapping
    8.Having anal sex without preparing for it
    9.Ejaculating externally

    Sorry, but if women actually valued the men who didn’t do these things, it wouldn’t be possible for dating services to keep charging men for access … while allowing women to join for free.

    Remember, porn is only degrading to women … when the women who need a guy to support them through life, don’t want to reciprocate.

  12. P Ray
    October 17, 2019 at 2:03 am

    Going by what this topic is about “Why are marginal women so uppity?”

    You can actually make the correct conclusion that they were probably fucked by Chadrone and dumped, so they see that guy as “their level” and advocatus, through the power of racism “is not an equivalent or better than Chadrone”.

    Marginal women being uppity is no different from girls demanding tall guys, it is simply an indicator that she was pumped and dumped by that kind of guy previously, meaning that very likely such an uppity woman … is “damaged goods”.

    Whichever guy “ends up with her” will get to hear the “I’m just not really a sexual person, okay? shit.” comment … her vagina was reformed by huge dick so the pleasure receptors got pushed all the way back.

    After all, if women like to say “vagina doesn’t get affected by lots of sex” … why are they after only big dick guys, if the small dick ones will do since “vagina doesn’t get affected by lots of sex”? You can see that nobody wants to run them down on this truth.

    Bonus pic:

    • P Ray
      October 17, 2019 at 2:41 am

      Proven by science:
      Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! Being rejected by an attractive man makes women cruel to other men
      Researchers found that being rejected by an attractive man actually makes a woman more likely to turn down an unattractive one
      It is as if distancing herself from the unattractive man helps her retain the idea that she is high status, cushioning the blow of the rejection

      So the most “uppity marginal women” are actually Chadrone’s cast-offs and don’t deserve undivided attention from other guys.

      If a woman is making it hard for you to go further with her, with the red flags of:
      1. monosyllable answers
      2. always busy and has no time for you
      3. only friendly when you are in a position to do her a favour
      4. completely unavailable outside of work hours
      5. only sees you in formal settings

      … save your money. I have electronics with longer warranties than some people’s relationships.

    • P Ray
      October 23, 2019 at 1:59 am

      Follow up to Tracey Cox’s previous article …
      Do YOU experience painful sex? Tracey Cox reveals why increasing numbers of women are battling discomfort (and 10 ways to make it more pleasurable)
      Tracey Cox revealed why increasing numbers of women are finding sex painful
      The sexpert gave her top ten tips on how to make intercourse more pleasurable
      Her advice included doubling the time spent on foreplay and using a ‘buffer’

      Maybe the sex is “too painful to endure” because the husband is NOT the guy she wants to be with … but the ONLY guy she can get who is willing to go halves with her on any expense. Whereas previously she would pay for Chad Thundercock.

      Remember, “your face determines her personality”

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