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Has Mexico Become A Failed State?

I am certainly not the first to suggest that Mexico is on the path to becoming a failed state. In fact some regions inside mexico already fit that description- nor is the problem simply due to drug trafficking.

Mexican oil production, a major source of government revenue, has been declining due to a host of reasons. Remittances from Mexicans in the US have not quite recovered from global economic problems which started towards the end of 2008.

You also might have heard that the US-backed war on drugs in Mexico (since 2006) is not going well- to put it mildly. The US-backed morons seem to be oblivious or deliberately ignorant of ground realities. Tens of thousands of people have been killed in this futile war, and the authorities are not winning by any objective measure.

Mass graves containing dozens to hundreds of tortured and mutilated bodies are commonplace. Finding severed human heads in coolers is apparently common in mexico- link 1, link 2 and link 3.

To put it another way.. the level of violence, killings and lawlessness in Mexico rivals places in the Middle-East.

It is obvious that the Mexican government can no longer maintain and enforce civil law in a significant part of the country. Between that and loss of revenue from oil, remittances and decreased economic activity due to drug war- it is likely that things won’t end well.

Do you really think that the consequences of state failure in Mexico will not spill outside Mexico?


  1. Deus
    April 20, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    Legalize the consumption of pot, cocaine, heroine and other drugs.


    Tax them, restrict them and enforce mandatory drug counseling for the hardcore life destroying ones, and you solve the entire Mexican drug cartel problem.

    Nah.. just legalize them, ensure quality control and treat them like alcohol.

    • voltronblack
      April 20, 2011 at 4:46 pm

      what you say make too much sense for them to do.

  2. Simon Rierdon
    April 20, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    “Do you really think that the consequences of state failure in Mexico will not spill outside Mexico?”

    It’s already happening and it’s only going to get worse.

  3. MeMyselfI
    April 21, 2011 at 8:07 am

    “Legalize them…”

    This does not serve the sociopath’s agenda. They LIKE the power and control. They LIKE the distraction and the chaos. There’s no incentive for them to stop. A failed state in Mexico, a police state in the US… PERFECT!

  4. Omar
    April 21, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    As a Mexican citizen, let me tell you a thing or two.
    First, Mexicans are deluded, ignorant sheepish people, all these conflicts spark not just from socio-economic realities, but from the superficiality and ignorance of the mexican people from the day to day, to the larger matters, ruling class included, the plain cowardice of the people of my country in facing the hard fact that our very goverment is abusing and repressing its population -we practically have a military ruling- but second, the situation is that we are in an armed conflict, that why or how we ended in this is currently irrelevant, the very survival of some families, even entire cities is threathened, yet the sheep prefer to “demand” security, legality and what not to the very goverment that openly massacres them via the army. In other words the sheep are asking the lion to stop eating them. I omitted lot of things in my explanation, but goes to say that the situation is more complex, to put it simply, if the goverment agencies investigated from bottom to top, all of the system will be found involved in the drug biz, period.

    I am aware of that, however current conditions seem to be worse than at any other time in recent history.

    That how is this is going to end, is hard to tell, but one thing is for sure, it wont be quick, and it will be way too messy.
    Crappy english I know.

  5. Omar
    April 21, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    I am aware of that, however current conditions seem to be worse than at any other time in recent history.

    care to explain?

    Failed drug war + loss of oil revenues + reduction in remittances from the US + economic problems in the US.

    Combinations are much more problematic than their components

  6. hans
  7. MeMyselfI
    April 22, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Sure… Fred Reed lives a good life in a relatively stable part of Mexico.


    I live a good life in a semi-rural college town in Indiana. Life is pretty good here… that doesn’t mean that the U.S., generally speaking, isn’t going down the toilet. A couple of hours drive in any direction will get you Indy, Gary, Chicago, or Louisville… large urban areas that more or less are headed the way of Detroit. Significant sections of them are already there.

    Same thing for Mexical… one data point doesn’t a refutation make.

    • hans
      April 23, 2011 at 4:12 am

      If I only used “datapoints” from all the morgues and prisons in the US I would be forced to nuke the whole place from orbit before “the civil war” makes it go rogue on the whole world.

      Ignoring actual data then elevating worst case scenarios into common occurrences is so typical for ´merican foreign(and sadly domestic too) policies.

      You guys just soooo love to be afraid.

  8. April 24, 2011 at 11:26 am

    If Mexico is indeed a failed state the logical thing to do is occupy it. There is no sovereignty there to violate and the lack of sovereignty is a threat to American interests.

    Mind you, we may end up having to do that anyway, even if we legalize drugs — I doubt Mexico can recover in our lifetimes from losing its number one export.

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