Humans Could Use More Violence

Have you ever wondered how things would be if humans were a more violent species? While conventional thinking might suggest that things would be worse, I think otherwise. Here is why..

Animals indulge in intra-species violence for reasons that are quite different from those for inter-species violence.

There is a fundamental difference between a lion hunting a gazelle, and two or more lions fighting each other. A prey-predator conflict is not the same as one between two adversaries. Humans add another layer of complexity to adversarial conflicts.

They are much more likely to kill, murder or slay adversaries for highly questionable reasons.

Don’t believe me? Ask yourself- how many crusaders became rich from the crusades? how many Mongolians benefited from being in Genghis khan’s army? How many soldiers or grunts in any armed force benefit from the ultimate outcome of a war? You might think that such questionable behavior by soldiers implies that humans are already too violent. But is that the case?

Slavery, the Jewish holocaust, Armenian genocide, the Ukrainian famine, various Indian famines, the Cambodian genocide, the Irish famine etc were ALL possible because the affected people did not resist sociopaths with lethal force when they could have done so. They let cowardice and optimism overrule their rationality.

While resisting people by killing them and their kids is risky- it is worth it, especially if not resisting does not improve the outcome.

That is why I have, a sometimes grudging, respect for people who will do that. It is hard to argue that kamikaze pilots or their modern equivalents were not effective- irrespective of the cause they were fighting for. You might remember that Bill Maher got into trouble for saying something along those lines in the early 2000s.

Extensive unfairness, sociopathy, bullshit and scams cannot be reformed by peaceful or legal means.

Comments?

  1. hans
    April 23, 2011 at 4:01 am

    THAT was what Maher got fired for? Pathetic.
    Of course it´s true.
    Every time I see one of these green drone/AC-130 gunship vids, I can´t help but feel a sense of disdain for these “X-Box kiddies” fragging yet another “dust-monkey gathering” aka spraying the brides maids all over the wedding. With about the same dignity you hear on your average MW2 match.

    Though I could of course care less for his support of the retarded conspiracy theory, that a couple of towel-heads can deviate flight plans of 4 planes unchallenged in the best defended and surveyed airspace on the planet for A COUPLE OF HOURS!
    Then hit almost impossible to hit targets in their jet planes after supposedly only having trained on Cessnas.

  2. MeMyselfI
    April 23, 2011 at 8:07 am

    “Extensive unfairness, sociopathy, bullshit and scams cannot be reformed by peaceful or legal means.”

    Absolutely.

    BUT, what the sociopaths understand is that while *they* don’t place limits on themselves they know that “good” people will. Indeed, EVERY organized religion’s purpose is to facilitate the placing of those limits on the non-sociopaths so that they can be easily manipulated. Almost every religon presumes a powerful and loving “god” that will someday come and destroy the evil that has manifested itself… until then we’re all to tolerate it in the name of our “faith”. RIGHT.

    SO, your call for more violence – especially in self defense – is correct, but will also fail. All it does is give additional opportunities for the sociopaths to rise to power – their excess charisma and intelligence *likes* the chaos – thrives in it, sees it as a chance to make something happen. And, usually it’s not something “good” for the masses. The masses can always be bested by the sociopaths because the masses will self-limit.
    —-

    That is precisely why faith in traditional and secular religions has to be destroyed.

    • P Ray
      November 24, 2014 at 5:29 pm

      Indeed, EVERY organized religion’s purpose is to facilitate the placing of those limits on the non-sociopaths so that they can be easily manipulated. Almost every religon presumes a powerful and loving “god” that will someday come and destroy the evil that has manifested itself… until then we’re all to tolerate it in the name of our “faith”. RIGHT.

      I think you should have put the “RIGHT” with the /sarcasm tag.

      Currently, every organized religion is actively defending (alpha-commitment-less) sluts and exhorting regular men (that those women/girls did not have sex with previously), to marry them.

      I believe that is a good reason to “tell religion to go to hell”.

  3. Columnist
    April 23, 2011 at 9:21 am

    I couldn’t agree more. You are one of the best bloggers, Advocatus Diaboli!

  4. April 23, 2011 at 11:06 am

    all that’s necessary for evil in the world, is good men be silent, or whatever the quote is. completely the truth. evil and totalitarian rule only with the silent and passive acceptance of the sheeple.

  5. MeMyselfI
    April 23, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    “That is precisely why faith in traditional and secular religions has to be destroyed.”

    To be replaced by… what?

    NOTHING will change the supremacy of the sociopaths. If they don’t use religion (or something just like it) then they’ll use something else.

    That remains to be seen. In any case, things cannot be worse than they are.

    I’ve come to think that this is a necessary component of the experiment that is being run. Without them we _might_ reach some sort of equilibrium that makes the desired outcome impossible (no, I’m not certain about what the desired outcome is… but I’ve become certain that a nice stable sustainable society is NOT the goal).

    So, why bother? Either become a sociopath (if you can) or check out. Participating is optional – you/we won’t be missed.
    —-

    We all have sociopathic tendencies- the issue is about the extent of expression of such tendencies.

  6. MetaThought
    April 24, 2011 at 9:08 am

    “That remains to be seen. In any case, things cannot be worse than they are.”

    This is lame. Things could be much much worse. Think Somalia.

  7. November 25, 2014 at 8:18 pm

    After the incident in Ferguson, people are starting to wake up. Well, some. Others choose to sit around and pray about it, or try to attack the status quo with the concept of “Hit them by hitting their pockets”. Things need to get back to how they were in the late 1960s. It seems after the downfall of the Black Panther Party, some people became too scared and optimistic. Perhaps, comfortable. One reason why guys don’t band together anymore is because of fear. Fear of losing their jobs, perks, comfort zones, plus folks getting to comfortable in their “circles”. I might end up writing something about this incident…

    • P Ray
      November 25, 2014 at 8:42 pm

      Yup. What I find is total BS about the situation (besides the absurd acquittal) …
      is the reality of “police manage to bring in violent criminals for interrogation ALL the time, but ESPECIALLY when he has valuable intelligence that the moles or snitches can’t get to”.
      Didn’t the policeman know how to shoot people in the legs? After all, that is the primary means of movement for people who aren’t toddlers …

      • November 25, 2014 at 8:49 pm

        Even still, is it worth turning someone handicap? What happened to tasers, batons, pepper spray? Most cops are a bunch of bitches who are trigger happy or are obsessed with the sudden “celebrity status” (perks) given to them as soon as they enter the profession. Otherwise, no one would give a damn about them. Sad thing is, it’s probably one of the last sustainable professions in the west.

        Anyone who applies to be a fireman has to undergo psychiatric evaluation to see whether or not they are competent for the job. Unfortunately, that’s not the case for these idiots. It just proves the fact that they – like their “forefathers” – fear retribution and anyone appearing stronger than them.

        And I don’t buy that BS about their jobs being “hard.”

        I’ve mentioned something along the lines here…

        https://homeiswherethehateis.wordpress.com/2014/10/13/how-infallible-types-cut-off-their-noses-to-spite-their-faces-02/

      • P Ray
        November 26, 2014 at 1:37 am

        According to Mr. Wilson,
        the “spray would not have stopped him, and I didn’t bring my Taser because it was too large”.
        But you’re right. Cops don’t have to undergo psychiatric evaluation.
        BUT they do have an intelligence test.
        And they WON’T hire people who are too intelligent.
        http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
        (that article is from the year 2000 AND nothing seems to have changed)

  1. April 24, 2011 at 1:53 am

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