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LOL: June 29, 2011

Do I really have to explain this one?

Germany and the USA had very high unemployment rates (effectively above 30%) and social unrest when Hitler and FDR came into power- in 1933. While they both went down the Keynesian path and achieved economic recoveries, their legacies turned out to be.. different.

The point here is that in the face of severe economic downturns, such “liberal” economic policies are inevitable. You can either have a megalomaniac seize power and implement them or elect a reasonable guy to do it.

Comments?

Categories: Current Affairs, Dystopia, LOL
  1. June 29, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    So how do you encourage the reasonable guy?

    There are allot of weirdos at imalafide who would probably stand behind another hitler….

    I have a feeling that a contemporary American version of Mr. funny-mustache is more likely to be a non-white. Think along the lines of a charismatic Hispanic man.

  2. demirogue
    June 29, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    This mess is because of government. Do you honestly think they are the solution?

  3. James Strictland
    June 29, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    A few points.

    1st I am not 100% sure Roosevelt would qualify as reasonable. Compared to Mr. Funny Mustache or Papa Joe? Sure. But he was still a tyrant. Just as the Japanese (and German) US Citizens he interned .

    2nd, the USA circa 2011 is not the US 1933. Its different in so many fundamental ways that polices that made decent sense in the 30’s might be utterly useless nearly 80 years later.

    3rd, We already got fascism in most respects. No need for strongman. Sure we probably will get worse but the system we have is safer for the elite and just as rewarding. I suspect a bit more screw tightening and such but there is no need for a take over since todays transnational elite have no territorial designs or real need for the body of the people. Its easier to just scoot and loot. Also Germany in the 30’s had a clear majority with a tight cultural identity, combine that with industrial age group-think and you have a recipe for jack boots. Tomorrows US will more resemble Brazil via the Balkans and as such won’t have the togetherness to pull it off.

  4. June 29, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    “But my best guess is this. The US will get a revolution, and it will come from the right. I’m not even particularly concerned about it at this point. The US is as close as a country gets to a write-off, because that’s what Americans want (for example, a majority not wanting to raise the debt ceiling) and a culture with majority approval for torture isn’t high on my triage list. Sure, it’d be nice to save America, plenty of good Americans, but the culture is now beyond corrupt and into evil. The question is whether everyone else goes down with America. So far everyone else (except Iceland) seems to be chaining themselves to the Titanic.”

    -Ian Welsh

  5. James Strictland
    June 29, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    I missed some stuff. Sorry A.D.

    JMO but I don’t see a strongman arising for at least a couple of decades and by than it may well be too late as the US will more resemble a heavily armed banana republic sans bananas than a first world country. Given that sizable chunks of the US already resemble failed states and we are still deindustrializing, said strongman won’t have much to work with. Few resources left, expensive energy , few factories and huge segments of the population are stone ignorant and unreliable for anything

    . Germany back during the depression was a mess but it had much better capital to work with and less of a gap to close . Also going from broken industrial power to full industrial power is much much simpler than being a technological power these days as much less complex.

    As likely as Fidel Bolivar Chavez Franco El Norte is the Igor Panarin scenario, the US just devolves into separate Republics or a much looser err Confederation (yes that was intentional) and slides into less than genteel poverty with extra added ethnic warfare.

  6. Chris
    June 29, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Which one is the reasonable guy? Roosevelt also ruled like he owned the country.

  7. PKaplan
    June 30, 2011 at 9:53 am

    1. Roosevelt’s New Deal made the Depression worse. This has been well-documented.

    Would you have rather preferred an american Hitler or a fragmented USA?

    2. Hitler turned the German economy around by ending the massive reparations that were pulling money out of the country.

    Go back to posting about prostitutes. You know nothing of economics or history.

    • James Strictland
      June 30, 2011 at 10:31 am

      The 1st point is arguable and the 2nd is only partially true.

      Ending reparations certainty helped but the Socialist aspect of National Socialism was a big contributor. Redistributed loot and spoils is after all not that different than a welfare state. A welfare state or better social credit is more humane but both are redistribute one to another.

      I have not read it but the book Hitler’s Beneficiaries discusses it at length.

  8. With the thoughts you’d be thinkin
    June 30, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    stonerwithaboner :
    So how do you encourage the reasonable guy?
    There are allot of weirdos at imalafide who would probably stand behind another hitler….

    I have a feeling that a contemporary American version of Mr. funny-mustache is more likely to be a non-white. Think along the lines of a charismatic Hispanic man.

    So it’s going to be Marco Rubio or George P. Bush.

  9. MeMyselfI
    July 2, 2011 at 4:34 am

    [blockquote]
    I have a feeling that a contemporary American version of Mr. funny-mustache is more likely to be a non-white. Think along the lines of a charismatic Hispanic man.
    [/blockquote]

    Come on people… do any of you really think O is going to leave… “quietly”?

    We’re prolly stuck with him. He’ll be a mix of both funny-stache and FD-argh.

    The “whites” will be the target this time… not just Jews. Of course, not all “whites”… just the ones with guns that want their country back.

    • MaMu1977
      July 9, 2011 at 1:23 pm

      Considering the amount of “almost got ‘im!”, assassination attempts that the Secret Service had repelled (Obama is in mid-50’s even without slandering the various Tea Partiers who brought rifles to White House protests), I’d say that his reelection campaign is being done out of duty and not actual desire.

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