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Youth Underemployment, not Unemployment, will kill the Status Quo

As many of you are aware, unemployment is a major issue in many developed and developing countries. High levels of unemployment amongst the youth has been behind recent rash of internal strife in countries from Tunisia and Egypt to Chile.

However, in my opinion, overt actions such as the ‘arab spring’ and public demonstrations in spain, greece and chile are only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. It is youth underemployment, not unemployment, which poses the most systemic threat to the status quo. In that respect, the phenomena of “grass eaters” in Japan is a trailer for the yet to be released full length feature. And yes.. I briefly wrote about this very topic a few months ago, but did not follow it up at that time.

Let me explain you why underemployment, rather than unemployment, is the real game changer.

1. The underemployed are more numerous and much less visible than the unemployed. They are also therefore not the target of most programs to improve the economy.

How many of you have jobs which even approach the stability and benefits your parents had- at your age? How many of you work in jobs which require far less ability than you have? How many of you have any worthwhile degree of security about your livelihood, profession or vocation?

2. They are cynical insiders- not optimistic outsiders. The unemployed might believe that things will get better, but the underemployed know better.

The Arab youth think they may have a chance at good jobs after the dust has settled. Can you honestly say that? can the Japanese grass-eater who only had temp and part-time jobs throughout his adult life say that? Can the highly educated and competent Spanish guy who waits tables at a restaurant in Barcelona say that?

3. The lack of decent employment makes them delay family formation. Moreover feminism and the changing nature of the job market further affects their willingness to play by the old rules.

How many of you are going to get married, buy a house with a white picket fence and have 3-4 kids? Or should I say.. how many of you will do even ONE of those things? Between feminism, laws which discriminate against you and constant income instability- there is not motivation to play the game by the old rules. It is just cheaper buy a gaming console, the latest electronic gadget, a sweet car, hook up with willing woman, buy sex or fap to porn.

4. Consequently they do not have the same expectations, consumption patterns and behavior as their parents. However eCONomic predictions are based on similar generational lifecycles.

As I have said a long time ago, adults preferring video games and an online existence to physical reality is an indictment of the current status quo. However economic activity and maintenance of the status quo requires people to play the game in the same, or very similar, manner.

The status quo cannot function if most people don’t couple, buy bigger houses, bigger cars, drop 2-3 children, put them through school, sports and university. The economic system, and by association the machinery which allows a few to profit of it, requires most people to have a middle-class (or better) existence.

Some might use examples such as South American and some Asian countries to support the idea that a small rich elite can remain alive in a sea of poverty. However they forget that those countries never industrialized to the level of developed countries. Even today, China and Brazil are less than developed once you step outside of Shanghai and Sao Paulo.

Extensive industrialization and the information revolution do indeed change the palate of options as far the ability and sustainability of a small rich elite in an otherwise poor country. Just as the widespread use of the printing press made absolute monarchy impossible and the second phase of the industrial revolution made WW1 and WW2 possible, the current set of conditions are unfavorable to stable feudalism- as the Brazilian and Chinese elite have been discovering in the last decade.

So what does this all mean or lead to?

It is very likely that conscious, and subconscious, unwillingness by underemployed youth to maintain the status quo will be the major factor in its demise.


  1. Mr Stricter
    October 3, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    I agree pretty much with everything here. Heck it in someways is my experience. I’d love a large family and all that but I simply cannot afford it and will not subsidize the wealthy by raising my kids in poverty so they can have another Bentley off my low wages.

    What will happen next is going to be in large part do to policy, if by some miracle we develop a broad based system of wealth distribution and make good policy calls, a smaller version of the same system can continue, maybe with less production of stuff we don’t need but it would be recognizable.

    If we do not, we will get what Harvey Danger wrote in Flagpole Sitta

    Been around the world and found
    That only stupid people are breeding
    The cretins cloning and feeding
    And I don’t even own a tv

    and the civilization will stop sustaining itself. Maybe not now or even in the Boomer’s lifetimes but it will happen.

    Its an end game with few choices all of them involve spending large sums of money

    #1 The probably impossible ,kill off the unwanted somehow and hope they don’t kill you first (and they will 100%)

    # Pay off the unwanted so they don’t breed. Fat chance with the religious and if somehow you were successful you’d have few people to sell too? I mean really would the US remain a power if say all that was left were a few middle class people and the rich? Say I dunno 60 million I really doubt it. This is the class that always has small families and as such, between automation and over-education you could not replace them. A society with a birth rate below replacement (or a sub society, c.f over-educated Whites and Asians) is long term doomed.

    #3 Build a distributionist society and prevent it. I am sure I could write pages on the topic so I’ll clog someone else’s blog with that but spread the wealth or lose your civ, pick one.

    • With the thoughts you’d be thinkin
      October 9, 2011 at 12:16 am

      The poor are disproportionately Black, Hispanic, Native, Muslim (Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Arab)and/or Leftist voters in various western countrieries so its unlikely that any solution is feasible due to liberals not wanting to be racist or conservatives not wanting to subsidies them.

  2. October 3, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    this doesn’t get talked about enough in the manosphere but men should avoid military conscription and “traditionally masculine” things like becoming a cop. Why support a society that doesn’t support you…..

    Also things like “bankruptcy” should be looked upon with the cold rationalization that an employer uses when laying off employees. That is to say someone should walk away from large sums of debt when they can and feel no shame in doing so. The phrase “man up” is misandrist and used to shame men into doing what is not in their best interest…..

    as more of us “opt out” they will start to have problems…..

  3. October 3, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Every generation has had those who wanted to play a different game.

    Whatever their numbers might have been, they were socially and economically invisible.
    And when they died, they were quickly forgotten.
    They left behind no progeny to carry on their legacy.
    For all practical purposes they were expunged from the history of the human race. Chalked up as evolutionary mistakes.

    If you want to know what the next generation is going to be like, look to the conformists who do what they’re told. They are having the children and thereby determining the future, not the rebels.
    Who do you think our parents were?

    Densely populated civilizations with a tradition of female infanticide to avoid expensive dowries have dealt with this sort of social problem for generations.
    In Chinese culture, the man that can never marry is a “bare branch” that will never bear fruit. Like the herbivore men, it seems that most of these men were still put to some use and didn’t do too much to rock the boat.

    Now, on the other hand, if there are too many bare branches who also must contend with empty stomachs, there is some potential.

    In the late Qing period in China, countless young men without any prospects were driven to join the triads, a group of criminal cartels which eventually became a huge destabilizing influence and open enemies of the Imperial government.

    If conventional society fails at its mandate beyond a certain point, you can have actual new societies forming within the old rather than just another insipid and impotent “counterculture.”
    But like any other major social change don’t hold your breath until the people also lack for bread.

    The older generations did not have the technological ability to scorch the earth, actively or passively.

    • Mr Stricter
      October 3, 2011 at 8:59 pm

      The problem you aren’t seeing is that the most socially compliant class (educated, hard working, mildly secular, law abiding) can’t replace itself and sustain the inputs it needs to keep its traits. These people (we’ll call them K reproducers) are essential to keeping civilization alive and they are not being supported.

      If you study the demography, globally the violent, ignorant, fanatical and lawless are the ones who since they require less inputs (we’ll call these R reproducers) are breeding and they for the most part cannot sustain anything.

      Modern civilization is incredibly fragile and one good sized non nuclear war, say a US civil war would result in a global economic meltdown and possibly starvation deaths on an unheard of scale.

      Think of all the bio war labs, chemical plants, nuclear plants, unattended toxic and radioactive waste sitting there just waiting. Hundreds of tiny Chernobyls waiting to happen

      Right now a lot of people who by nature and desire are K types are locked out of a political system that serves people who are more reckless than psychopaths. These people are your seed corn and they aren’t being planted and they are angry.Them just saying “screw it” and dropping out is the best case outcome. In that case enough people are left who can take apart everything before the system implodes (c.f the South African Nukes)

      Of course there is no guarantee (hello Fukishima) but there is hope

      Other outcomes are much much worse. heck with technological advances a few nihilistic nut jobs could possibly basically end human civilization.

      • Mr Stricter
        October 3, 2011 at 9:01 pm

        In case there is confusion, I agree with AD’s statement about scorched earth.

      • P Ray
        August 25, 2012 at 9:35 pm

        the most socially compliant class (educated, hard working, mildly secular, law abiding) can’t replace itself and sustain the inputs it needs to keep its traits. These people (we’ll call them K reproducers) are essential to keeping civilization alive and they are not being supported.
        Who is choosing to consider them not worth reproducing with? ‘Cause that’s where the problem lies…
        The people who had kids in the past … created that problem today by not doing anything about their attitudes…

  4. October 3, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    oh, and as a conspiracy theory nut, this I must say….

    maybe diablo is really the CIA trying to round up “dissidents.”

    • Mr Stricter
      October 3, 2011 at 9:00 pm

      They’ll be pretty busy. I am pretty sure that 90% are dissenting right now and its only going to get worse.

  5. Columnist
    October 3, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    I belong to the underemployed. I agree with AD.

  6. October 3, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    I liked the article stoner posted here.
    Though, I question if life is necessarily that different for people in the West.

    In our culture, having women on the career ladder creates artificial scarcity.
    Say a woman brings in a 35k salary? How many millions of men are already disqualified?
    No scarcity of men higher up the ladder discourages her. She just buys timeshares of a suitable member if she needs to. Same principle as a Sheikh and his harem. Or she decides to take no mate at all and dotes on cats instead of children.

    Coordination over the internet has made mobs, social resistance much more dangerous than before. Watchdog sites like wikileaks have made it difficult for powerful organizations to act in secret.

    But technology has also brought new means of escapism and distraction.
    In Western culture, “loser” men remain atomized despised pariahs with no real life culture of like people to join that will actually work in their interests.
    Until disenfranchised males start working together, they are doomed to remain invisible and powerless.
    Right now, there’s still enough prosperity left in Western nations that you don’t see the level of hopelessness and desperation required for anything more than murmurings of discontent in the manosphere.
    Of course, the manosphere was just barely catching on even a few years ago.
    And I suppose one could see Anonymous, the chans as disenfranchised men centralizing their power. It’s a beginning I suppose.

    I think it would be presumptuous to suppose the CIA gives a damn about us.
    Think of all the people out there saying crazy stuff and actually making threats.
    It would be cool, though, if I could tell people at cocktail parties: “Hey I’ve got a case file with the ___ (insert agency.)”

    • P Ray
      July 4, 2012 at 2:43 pm

      You left out the miles of cock she probably sampled.
      I wonder which man wants to be last for that.

  7. Michel
    October 4, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    What do you think will happen as a result of this, AD?

    What is your dystopian scenario for the future?

  8. October 4, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    I’m pretty sure social trends like not desiring marriage or wanting the responsibility of kids, and even giving a whit about buying assets like homes and cars were long underway before this recession. Increased urbanization and subsidies to higher education means more frequent and ever changing assortment of mates, and as for the standard of living our parents had, our post materialist, pro-hippie values means living 5-to-a-2 bedroom apartment is just a-ok. It frees up more money for booze and Burning Man after all.

    This guy writes alot about values moving away from accumulation and bourgeois “instrumental rationality”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Inglehart#Writings

    Basically even if good money came back, we’d just use it to travel to Europe or South American all the time, and not to invest for retirement.

    • P Ray
      August 25, 2012 at 9:36 pm

      For most people “Investing for retirement” means your money is still circulating in the system. Which means it can “suddenly disappear”.

      • P Ray
        April 18, 2013 at 4:23 am

        Ooh, just like what is happening in the “democratic” country of Cyprus.

  9. Octavian
    October 11, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    great analysis. as an overworked and and underpaid male under 30 i approve this message.

    ps: family formation has gone the way of the dodo bird.

  10. hans
    October 16, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Even lawyers are finally smelling the “roses”.


    Or it´s dawning on some how fucking clueless they actually are. Boy will the steamroller hit them hard.

  11. November 15, 2011 at 10:30 am


    “Also things like “bankruptcy” should be looked upon with the cold rationalization that an employer uses when laying off employees. That is to say someone should walk away from large sums of debt when they can and feel no shame in doing so.”

    Bingo zingo. I tried to play the game by starting a company, lost/failed, and wound up with oodles of debt. Chapter 7 gave me the freedom to save, to move, to try again somewhere else.

    (You can’t undo student debt, but you can move to a country with no financial extradition, of which there are plenty.)

    I can’t buy a new car or a house, but guess what? Fuck it! I refuse those balls and chains anyway.

    The one scary thing that made me want to NOT do it? The terror that having zero credit for ten years would prohibit me from having sex again. But guess what: Any sex on a fundamentally prostitution basis is bad for me anyway.

    THEY don’t have to pay, so why do you?

  12. November 15, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Craig Himself–

    “THEY don’t have to pay, so why do you?’

    I’ve tried to explain that to Diablo, he just won’t listen…..

    you might find this interesting….




    Rock On!

  13. P Ray
    February 17, 2015 at 1:23 am

    A good quote about this
    “Technological advances can’t be passed on in the form of fewer hours worked, because human work forms the basis of the value of money, and a debt-based monetary system requires we continually produce more money or have people defaulting on their debts through no fault of their own. That’s the real deal.”

    Remember, people require debt to pay for their education … that only may pay off.

    In short, educating yourself to be an employee … is learning how to be a prostitute that needs an employer-pimp.

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