The Fundamental Problem with ‘IQ’ Based Arguments

As many of you know, I have absolute contempt for people who use any version of the race, “genetics” or “IQ” argument. While the beliefs of these so-called “HBD-aware” and “race realist” human scum can be trashed in many ways, there is one aspect of their belief system that I find amusing and bizarre at the same time.

They expect the rest of the world to give a fuck about their beliefs.

In my opinion- it is this belief of the “HBD-aware” crowd, more than any other, which makes me wonder if they are retarded. Let me explain..

People, regardless of their intelligence, will only cooperate as long they believe that is profitable to do so. Sure, you can terrorize people for a few years or even a generation to make them work hard, but then things start to unravel. Once an entire generation has grown up under such conditions, even tyranny and force can no longer motivate people to work hard. Of course you can keep on increasing the amount of tyranny- but at some point the cost of doing so reaches a level that makes the whole enterprise unprofitable.

The “HBD-aware” crowd seem to believe that “lesser humans” will gladly bow down to and serve them based on spreadsheets full of numbers from concocted and subjective “tests”. I am surprised that they don’t go on and demand that these “lesser humans” slave for them while singing catchy calypso-themed songs. Did you get the point of my satire? In case you did not, here it is-

The “HBD-aware” crowd are a bunch of morons who dream of returning to a nostalgic world which never existed- other than in folklore, movies and novels.

As I have previously said, all appeals for preferential treatment based on IQ are modern versions of an attested certificate of noble birth. While some of you might believe that feudal or slave based social systems were great places to live in, that was never the case- even if you were the local lord, king or emperor. Ever wonder why the majority of kings, lords and emperors from previous eras died from unnatural causes? Have you ever tried to follow the genealogy of various prominent and rich families from previous eras? A lot of them just disappear from history once they have fallen out of luck. Why?

It comes down to the lack of social stability.

A socio-economic system infested with widespread poverty, widespread injustice and systemic rent-seeking is far more unstable than one in which these maladies are kept under control. Dysfunctional socio-economic systems are almost always characterized by the ruling class claiming privilege because of their ancestry, “education” or some watery tart throwing a sword at them. However their ability to rule is always based on their ability to terrorize people- typically for a generation or less. The small percentage of individuals who ruled longer than that were often far less coercive or just plain lucky.

When “HBD-aware” morons make the case for privileges based on some “test” they are making the same basic argument as someone being fit for the kingship because a ‘moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at them’. It comes down to demanding respect and obedience because they say so, without any apparent benefit to their followers. Moreover, they have little or no ability to project force- unlike the tyrants of yore.

Anybody who is stupid enough to believe that people will willingly slave away for them because they have some certificate proclaiming their ‘high IQ score’ needs to have their head examined.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. May 12, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    No one cares about IQ score as a justification to rule. Might is, however, something we all understand.

    You don’t see lots of Brahmins or Ashkenazim at the top because of an IQ certificate. But we know they can consistently out-think and outmaneuver the competition.
    You can call this IQ or something else of your choosing, but it quickly becomes clear such groups possess a mental edge over the competition.

    I hardly see IQ as an absolute measure of any kind, but it roughly approximates certain things.
    Perhaps, you may have noticed a ‘bizarre’ 🙂 pattern in nations where the average IQ dips below 95 or so.

    Funny you should mention that. So why was the median standard of living in western countries so low until the 1880s-1890s. And why did it reach recognizable levels only within the last 60-odd years. Surely, the median IQ has not changed significantly over the last 120 years?

    True, any living thing will respond negatively to the direct application of coercion and force.
    But there are so many less direct ways to do it. Ways you have discussed on this blog in extensive detail.

    Effective opposition to more subtle means of exploitation than overt rape and plunder seems to require a certain capability for basic abstract thinking.
    Where the majority of the populace lacks this critical attribute, misery grinds on year after year, generation after generation.

  2. May 12, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    “Like humans and chimpanzees, dogs seem to expect fairness in their dealings with humans. When two dogs sitting next to each other complete the same action — shaking paws in this case — but don’t receive the same reward, the jilted dog stops playing along.”

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/12/dogenvy/

    higher mammals have a sense of fairness….

    ironically, those bigoted feminists hate us men when we “opt out” and they called us dogs and much worse…..

  3. May 12, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    and for what it’s worth, I think the average dog is far more decent than the average human….

  4. May 12, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    –there were a few fragmented ides there but advipoops can put it all together….

  5. Conquistador
    May 12, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    “Funny you should mention that. So why was the median standard of living in western countries so low until the 1880s-1890s. And why did it reach recognizable levels only within the last 60-odd years. Surely, the median IQ has not changed significantly over the last 120 years?” – AD

    Instead of focusing on income constantly like an idiotic socialist how about you grasp the big picture? Standards of living rose century after century in high IQ areas particularly in the west from 1100 onward. Where as sub-Saharan Africa is still a vile hell hole and the only livable areas of Latin America are the white enclaves.

    • A Equals A
      May 23, 2012 at 5:41 pm

      Try again.

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/01/daily_chart

      “Sub-saharan Africa” is growing at massive rates year by year. 7 out the 10 fastest economies in the world.

      Unbeknownst to bigots I suppose?

      IQ (and usually white) morons such yourself fail to take into account the many complex factors as to why SS Africa is relatively backwards. Humans evolved high IQ there so its quite stupid to stipulate that being the reason.

  6. May 12, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    “So why was the median standard of living in western countries so low until the 1880s-1890s?”

    Why limit ourselves to Western countries?
    The standard of living for most people in any ‘civilized’ place pretty much sucked(s).

    If you want to discuss the West, why not ask instead: “Why did something different happen there?

    “Surely, the median IQ has not changed significantly over the last 120 years?”

    Perhaps we might agree that technologies that enable large numbers of people to collaborate have changed significantly over the last 120 years?

    Do we not see major changes in societies whenever access to information becomes easier?

  7. May 12, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    I’m not aware of any Race Realists asking for privilege; they’re asking for a return to sanity. As I described in my recent post, affirmative action and other race baiting policies are not just foolish, they’re destructive.

    If the Egalitarians would stop claiming that we’re all blank slates, the race realists would move on to more interesting arguments in a heartbeat.

    • A Equals A
      May 23, 2012 at 5:53 pm

      So your saying all that is in the way of the “truth” about “race” are egalitarians?

      Try reality hillbilly. If your “truth” is impotent it cannot the truth.

  8. sth_txs
    May 13, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Yeah, all those black African countries are really doing well without any those ‘racist’ white people around to govern.

    • Matt Strictland
      May 13, 2012 at 1:25 pm

      Heck many nearly 100% Non White areas in the US are unlivable.

      Granted there are some not so great White areas, Appalachia among them, They are still far better than the Black ones.

      IQ and Impulse control matter.

      And note this does not preclude improvement, even Africa is getting a bit better these days . What it says is that they have a harder slog ahead and that we ought to leave them to their own devices.

      So long as they are not here and we are not there, it should be fine.

      And before anyone brings up South Africa, a good rule, don’t take what you can’t hold and pretend you are doing the locals a favor. You aren’t . They don’t want you there and will want what they perceive as their back . Either leave them alone or wipe them out ala the Tasmanians. You are doing no one a favor by enslaving them and White mans burden is for Whites only.

  9. Matt Strictland
    May 13, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    Something I agree with AD on, IQ isn’t everything. Assuming a 15 points average between Black and White that it isn’t that insurmountable especially for a highly natal culture.

    Sooner than later they’ll catch up and it won’t always be “for we have the Maxim Gun and they have not.”. This suggests that its better to not make more enemies than you can handle.

    And what he said about no one else caring, well yeah they shouldn’t but thats meant for internal consumption. Its a tribal thing, we White tribe rule, other tribes drool just like that rap lyric ‘You ain’y my set you ain’t my friend.” its very human.

    • May 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm

      I don’t think even most WNs tout IQ as some kind of holy grail. About the only reason we pay much attention is that we notice some real world correlations.with IQ and ethnicity.

      The test was made by a particular tribe, so it is naturally going to test for things that this tribe values. Bias is unavoidable.
      As it happens, the other tribes that score highly on this test are also groups that have lived in complex, organized mass civilizations for thousands of years.

      To some extent the test gives us a measure of the mental traits a population in aggregate needs to avoid devolving into a complete zero sum jungle.

      As Advocatus and I discussed, people in mass civilizations have historically had a low standard of living. They still do.
      But when groups without the penchant for life in aggregate attain all the trappings of a mass society, we aren’t taking about standards of living but whether or not it is livable.

    • Nestorius (A. Hourani)
      May 13, 2012 at 11:34 pm

      This pseudo-tribe called “the Whites” is not viable for one simple reason: it’s membership is based on color. If a White marries a “Latina”, then the children are excluded from the tribe. Same thing if a White marries a Black.

      A real tribe is mainly based on paternal descent. But most tribes throughout history allowed for adoption of members of other tribes into them, regardless of color; that’s why maternal descent was also taken into consideration.

      Whites are doomed because they will keep excluding those who ought to be their own members, just because they look a little different. At least Blacks don’t do this.

      • JPV
        May 24, 2012 at 6:22 pm

        “Whites are doomed because they will keep excluding those who ought to be their own members, just because they look a little different. At least Blacks don’t do this.”

        It’s true.

        African Americans are way more respectful than white people and they, unlike whites, tend to accept people of all races, religions and sexual orientations.

        You don’t see, for instance, light-skinned black people being prejudiced against dark-skinned black people because racism is something that only whites can do.

        And if you do indeed see prejudice, it’s because of the constant propaganda of the straight white male that glamourizes anything that resembles whiteness.

        I believe our Western Society would be much better off without straight white males. Thankfully, more and more people are realizing this. Specially white women, who realize they have difficulty finding a good and reliable husband among white men. That’s why they are turning their attention more and more to African Americans.

        This might sound harsh, but I believe white men are the ultimate threat to concepts like democracy and equality.

        But like you said, their time is coming.

        We just have to wait now…

  10. InT
    May 14, 2012 at 1:52 am

    IQ correlates very neatly with how developed a given area of the world is. I don’t think it’s a bad metric. As Giovanni says, people need a good IQ to avoid being taken advantage of by others.

  11. Matt Strictland
    May 14, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Nestorius (A. Hourani) :
    This pseudo-tribe called “the Whites” is not viable for one simple reason: it’s membership is based on color. If a White marries a “Latina”, then the children are excluded from the tribe. Same thing if a White marries a Black.
    A real tribe is mainly based on paternal descent. But most tribes throughout history allowed for adoption of members of other tribes into them, regardless of color; that’s why maternal descent was also taken into consideration.
    Whites are doomed because they will keep excluding those who ought to be their own members, just because they look a little different. At least Blacks don’t do this.

    Most Whites strongly prefer to marry other Whites,

    However there are two tribes of Whites in a broad sense, soft core where marriage into
    groups that are marginally acceptable such as Asians or Jews or Hispanics. Heck

    Hispanic is utterly meaningless since many of them are already at least part White being of Spanish, Portuguese or in some cases German or even Irish (c.f Vincente Fox) extraction. A half Hispanic is often 3/4 or depending on status more White anyway and as such the larger “tribe” doesn’t care.

    Most controversial is Black/White intermarriage and they are usually just kicked to the Black tribe.

    The smaller tribe is a bit hardcore but they probably make up less than 1/4 of all Whites. Thats still plenty for a strong group.

    • Nestorius (A. Hourani)
      May 15, 2012 at 4:24 am

      “Thats still plenty for a strong group.”

      No, because Whites are excluding their children from non-white women because of color. The fact the Blacks accept their children from white women makes them look better, even to Whites themselves.

      “Most controversial is Black/White intermarriage and they are usually just kicked to the Black tribe.”

      This is the recipe for instilling bad faith within Whites and for self-destruction. What you don’t seem to understand is that what happened during the 60s-70s among Whites and the rise of “Leftism” was a result of such customs. Whites are living in the self-destruction era and there is no way back. Even if you go back to the old customs, this will lead to another period of self-destruction.

      • Matt Strictland
        May 15, 2012 at 5:08 pm

        We’ll just have to agree to disagree I am afraid.

      • Nestorius (A. Hourani)
        May 16, 2012 at 4:45 am

        I’m just pointing at the causes of the present situation.

  12. Matt Strictland
    May 14, 2012 at 9:56 am

    I think I am having a stupid day. The phrase I meant was “marriage into groups that are marginally acceptable are still part of the the tribe”

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