A Type of MGTOW, Not Game, Will Dominate The Future

My view of the world is grounded in percentages, probabilities and dispassionate observations rather than just trying to see patterns which validate my beliefs. Consequently I am willing to consider possibilities that most people might find ‘depressing’ and ‘negative’. Here is one of my predictions, based on a few years of observation-

A form of MGTOW, rather than “game”, will be the predominant response of men to the current dystopic sexual environment.

I am fully aware that most men believe that the MGTOW option involves a celibate to semi-celibate hermit like existence on the fringes of society. In my opinion, the popular image of MGTOW is due to the disproportionate web presence of its most zealotic and ‘ideologically-pure’ followers. The reality for most men is going to be far more different. But let us first understand why “game” is unlikely to be anything more than a minority option. Many of you believe that most men won’t succeed at “game” because they are not “good enough”, interested enough, have low testosterone or whatever bullshit you can dredge up. I see a much bigger and far more fundamental problem-

Even pretty, sexually skilled and otherwise reasonable women are not much fun to be around after you have finished having sex with them.

Did you get it? Over the long-term, the value of a woman around your own age is largely proportional to her looks and sexual availability. As almost every one of you know, those things don’t improve as a woman goes past her mid-20s. In previous era, the effect of this factor was largely mitigated by considerations such as children, mortgages, social expectations etc. However that is no longer the case.

Since most younger men today do not go down that path in their early to mid-20s, they have no sunken investment in maintaining relationships with women they don’t care much about. The converse is also true as most women no longer require the co-operation of men to raise a child or two. Therefore both sexes have a far more cynical view of each other- something that is greatly facilitated by the socio-cultural mores of our times.

The relationship between men and women today is therefore far more like an adversarial business partnership. Both parties are far more interested in screwing each other over than playing nice to achieve a common good.

In my opinion, old-fashioned relationships are dying out because men are increasingly becoming aware of the poor cost/benefit ratio and low probability of “success”. Now combine with awareness with the mediocre looks and sexual skills of the median women in an age of high quality, ambient and free porn. There is little or no incentive for the median guy to chase after the median girl.

Now this does not mean that men will prefer porn over sex with all women. I certainly would never pass an opportunity, paid or otherwise, to bang the living daylights out of a hot chick. But it is also extremely unlikely that I will invest significant time, or effort, in a mediocre girl. Nor would I work my ass off to make enough money to keep any women “happy” or satisfy any older social expectations about men of my age.

Why care about people and institutions who have abandoned you?

I would rather spend my time living well. That means not working hard, eating and drinking well, buying sex, fapping to porn and doing what I really enjoy. Isn’t it closer to MGTOW rather than “game”?

What do you think? Comments?

  1. P Ray
    May 19, 2012 at 3:37 am

    Spend your time living well, controlling the resources, and knowing that if a woman wants a break from you, she better give you a break.
    Anyone thinking that relationships are not transactions is dreaming,
    As an example, many women choose to get in relationships with some men to keep those men off the market to other women that are attracted to him (it’s the “being wanted by other women” that got her interested).
    Men who do not heed this and Briffault’s Law, are doomed to be used by women without being compensated in return.

  2. May 19, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    MGTOW don’t reproduce, and so will become extinct.

    The continued existence of the universe is immaterial once you are dead. So there is no reason to care about that possibility.

    Plus even those in marriages are either having a couple or no kids anyway.

    • hans
      May 19, 2012 at 2:36 pm

      Neither do gays, man are they extinct.

      BTW, they DO knock bitches up. But then they get divorced and raped in divorce court.
      Where the fuck do you think the MGTOW “movement” is recruiting from, numbnut.

      The forever alone guys? Congrats for getting hooked on that feminist/PUA(virtually the same BTW) red herring.

    • May 19, 2012 at 2:48 pm

      The question wasn’t what is material, the question was who will dominate the future. In the contest to knock up women, those with Game will beat MGTOW. The future belongs to those with natural Game, basically immoral jerks, and to the religious who have many kids.

      As hans so well demonstrates, MGTOW are part of modern culture with all the incivility of any liberal. MGTOW is really a part of liberalism and will disappear as liberalism collapses. Gays have never been a significant percentage of the population. There have been cultures with a lot of bisexuals, but that works evolutionarily.

      • cynical youth
        May 20, 2012 at 8:28 am

        What you forget is that PUA’s (the intelligent ones) take steps to make sure they DON’T knock up women thanks to the lack of social pressure. The future if anything will belong to neither MGTOW or PUA’s but to the underclass (particularly the Hispanic and Muslim underclasses in the USA and Europe respectively).

      • May 20, 2012 at 1:50 pm

        cynical youth, I didn’t forget. That’s why I said “natural Game”. PUAs don’t have natural game, it is fake. A lot of the underclass does have natural game.

      • J.M.
        May 20, 2012 at 3:31 pm

        and Franklin, what do you call natural game? Stupidness? For me game tactics are becoming part of my personality as I have improved my life in other areas so I don`t think game is fake.

      • May 20, 2012 at 3:45 pm

        I shouldn’t have said “fake” game, I should have said “learned” as opposed to natural.

      • jerdog
        July 5, 2012 at 3:14 pm

        feminist sympathizer…be gone!

    • December 15, 2015 at 3:59 pm

      Actually MGTOWs do reproduce – some of them. They’re just called “deadbeat dads”.

  3. DieHard
    May 19, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    While this is basically an against game blog anyway, I have been around the game block the last two years and I now also view game as being almost over. PUA game was just silly and is mostly done. Guys meeting women will continue because that’s natural. The game that has evolved into social CONservatism shows how it has gone full circle with guys who said they were not good with women to begin with became self-appointed game blog gurus and most of these are still not very good with women but their followers continue to worship their blogs as a bunch of these gurus are now saying to find a “good girl” for marriage, so they are now basically back to the beginning where they began. A saying is once married it’s game over. In the real world there is not much of a game community. Now like the CONservitives many game gurus are saying to get married, so with the hyper religious they surprisingly fit into the majority of society. Game as most guys try it might be getting less effective as more guys who are not very smooth (I would use other more underground terms to further explain why they are not effective) and this is having more women catching on and being even more stuck-up (although I can handle any type of woman and I don’t call women b*tches, as I actually am attracted to this type). Even if game (and more advanced techniques beyond game) remain not the majority, there likely will still be relationships as the majority though because I have read many guys on game sites say basically that it’s not just s*x that they want, as they say (possibly with an inner femininity) that they really want a relationship with a “good girl” for a LTR (and even shockingly they still say for marriage) because they seek affection and a family, so therefore it appears the majority of guys (even after learning some about “game”) will still enter into relationships (even as a provider to her agenda and their family). Unlike almost every other game-guy (guru and commenters) I as a “bad man” am attracted to the “bad girls/sl*ts/wh*res) for s*x and not a LTR or marriage, as I only do multiple-STR’s and SNL’s. Some guys can game or act confident (with other vibes) to get a girlfriend, but then they revert back to complaining/whining while thinking they are being an a**hole, but they are really just being a wuss as they were to begin with and both of these constant extremes decrease her arousal, then the relationship becomes about her materialistic agenda anyway. Thus, the end game for most guys in game ends up in defeat. Myself, I entered a game door, learned a few things and also saw that most other guys are schmucks and that for me game (as most mainstream game gurus are now weakly/incorrectly teaching it at least) is over, and I walked out of that game through a different door, and I will still meet women in underground (above what is currently called game) ways. The current tone in much of game and with men and women (as this post said) is that most people seem to now have an attitude that is no fun/that they cannot allow themselves or others around them to enjoy life before death, and I reject this mindset as being the way to game or the way to live before I Die Hard.

  4. May 19, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    from a conversation at the beach today…

    So I was drinking beer with a male acquiantance….

    a female friend of his shows up, we introduce ourselves….

    I mention at one point, I’m lonely and I’d like to get a dog.

    Girl says, “Dogs are great, but you’ll have to plan to be home for the animal allot more.”

    Guy says, “Why don’t you just get a girlfriend.”

    She says, “Dogs are lower maintenance and they’ll always be happy to see you.”

    Mind you, this is a woman who said this. I suppose if a man said this a feminist would call that misogynistic. And at one point she mentioned an ex husband, I didn’t get her age but she probably wasn’t over 25. It’s like she knows what’s up and when not in “polite” company speaks the truth.

    as far as the MGTOW-I think those internet forums are a little extreme as are you Mr. Diablopoops, however– more and more men are “opting out.” Unless having children is the most important thing in your life, marriage isn’t a good deal (and even then it’s a risky proposition.)

  5. DieHard
    May 20, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Another part of the “fundamental problem and the poor cost/benefit ratio” is that once in marriage the woman has the legal power to on any day to no-fault divorce the man and thus destroy him financially. Would I go into business with a person where there is a 70 percent chance that within a few years I will lose at least half of everything I have, and my business decision is no I would not. There has been a few shocking to me things on many game blogs recently for instance the amount of guys who say they hate sl*ts (because I thought most guys were out to get laid, so personally I completely disagree with them as I like sl*ts myself), and that most guys still want to get married (despite all the downsides including those mentioned in this post that I basically agree with and the others I have said here and this doesn’t make much sense), so now I don’t read any game blogs as of last month. When I got into learning about game I thought it was about guys teaching how to get laid, then recently much of it has instead turned away from meeting women for s*x into angry rants on “men’s rights issues and politics,” and personally I am not into that stuff or politics either, so I decided to mostly do my own things and I rarely even talk about these concepts any more except for what I do myself, and I won’t make my own blogs because they usually have bloggers/commenters just arrogantly arguing instead of learning , and I only teach a few techniques in person to people I interact with. I really like porn, and I have learned a few skills by viewing porn, however I don’t watch it very often to save time most days, although it is the quickest for self-satisfaction. I would say escorts cost too much, it’s much cheaper than divorce(s), but I wouldn’t want to spend more than $100 for an hour, and prices will probably keep going up unless it was made very common and that’s not happening anytime soon. I have learned things reading this Dissention blog and I like the frequent reminder comments such as, “Why care about people and institutions who have abandoned you/don’t please people who don’t like you anyway/etc, etc.” Important concepts, thanks.

  6. May 20, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    anyways, the “manosphere” is a pretty contradictory place….

    you would think the inmalafide guys would love “sexually liberated women.” However there are tons of derogatory comments there.

    where to even start with the white power idiots. They talk about racial purity, but if they actually had a chance with a smoking hot mixed race/persian/indian whatever woman, would they still go on and on about their HBD B.S.

    I’m mostly focusing on carving out the best life for myself in a f*cked and corrupt world. You really can’t control the actions of others, just watch out for yourself….

    • July 8, 2014 at 12:12 pm

      You know, I was reading one of Fatt… umm… Matt Forney’s blog topics months ago about the Miriam Weeks chick (college student turned abuse-porn star) and he justified the bondage and chastity of women in the Middle East in that topic. The fragile egos and fear or female sexuality automatically came to mind and I just can’t see how anyone can justify that shit, under any circumstances. But yes, Forney’s blog is full of derogatory statements. I did find that one topic brutal and over-the-top, yet truthful… the one about why fat girls are not deserving of love. He seems obsessed with BBWs for various reasons. I also like the topic about The Case Against Female Education.

  7. May 21, 2012 at 12:15 am

    An interesting and true observation by Robert Lindsay:

    “This is an all male group. All all male groups will end up like this sooner or sooner. They will get more and more nutty, violent, aggro and ultra macho, and then the sociopaths will take over. This is the typical progression of any all male grouping. The only thing that tones this crap down is the presence of women. One reason marriage was invented. To prevent groupings like the Manosphere from becoming commonplace.”

    • P Ray
      May 21, 2012 at 1:29 am

      Or is it so that men will be bogged down with a wife and kids so they can’t quickly move on as cupcake has put down a deposit on a money-sink?
      A social institution such as marriage does succeed VERY well in maintaining the status quo.
      ‘Cause the wife isn’t going to risk ostracism from her social group,
      and hubby is too tired to think that all the work he is putting in, is just making him a more tempting target for divorce theft or cuckoldry.

      • May 22, 2012 at 4:05 am

        Lindsay isn’t talking about the modern form of marriage, which is marriage just in name.

        Besides, you’re not looking at the important issue here: the new world consisting of male groups. You should ask yourself: How am I going to survive in such a world? The future will be tough and dangerous.

      • P Ray
        May 24, 2012 at 12:32 am

        Not tough and dangerous if you can bring something to the table.
        I wonder what degrees in Gender Studies, Psychology and International Relations bring to the table.

      • EvilOne
        March 3, 2014 at 12:19 am

        P Ray,
        You think it will be tough and dangerous for women as well?

      • P Ray
        March 4, 2014 at 2:08 am

        Probably. Because they will have to trade their bodies for social advancement.
        Oh wait, they already do that. I guess they’ll have to watch out for the younger and tighter models then.

  8. January 24, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    Agree with everything you’ve touched on here. Tis better to go it alone, have fun, not worry about marriage certificates and prenuptials that won’t do squat when it comes down to it, and just do what you enjoy.

    I’ve only had 1 sexual partner (an awesome 6+ years FwB situation) for my life thusfar, but hey…porn is readily available too. I have my own bachelor pad, my videogames, my cool job, and am free to sleep in, eat what I want, cook and clean when I want, and no one screams and cusses when I get home at 3am from a D&D game.

    And marriage is something to be strived for…why?

    • EvilOne
      July 8, 2014 at 4:30 pm

      FYI: The above is female.

      • July 8, 2014 at 5:00 pm

        True, but in body only. Does a chromosomal mistake make my words any less potent to those who read them without knowing my sex? My mind is male, and anyone who visits my blog knows I am a seeker of fair treatment for all, but especially cis men as they are the group that is so “privileged” that numerous laws, double standards, and traditions are directly harmful to them.

        I may not have a penis, but I gladly stand up for the sex I am most connected to.

      • EvilOne
        July 8, 2014 at 5:51 pm

        I haven’t read your blog.

        But then again, it doesn’t really matter. As a woman in body you cant comprehend mens viewpoints. You dont face the same challenges. So at least it should be *stated* that you are female.

        (Nor am I saying those challenges are uniform.

        *) A big ugly guy faces the challenge of women not wanting him.

        *) A small handsome guy faces the challenge of men attacking him twice over – once because men are assholes, and secondly because men are jealous.

        And so on… ).

      • July 8, 2014 at 7:01 pm

        You are right…unless I want to spend thousands on hormones and surgery, I cannot present as a male IRL. If I was fortunate enough to have an androgynous/boyish build, I might get away with it. But alas, I have a very feminine figure and it can’t be easily hidden like I could do in middle and high school.

        I apologize if it sounded like I was snapping at you for “outing” me as physically female. I’m just a big proponent of “tits or gtfo”, and I don’t want other commenters to think I’m trying to use my sex as a leverage.

        I wish I was born male.
        I was not.
        But I can at least be “seen” as neutral/assumed male online.
        This is why I don’t mention gender or sex until it’s pertinent to the conversation…

      • EvilOne
        July 8, 2014 at 5:53 pm

        “I’ve only had 1 sexual partner (an awesome 6+ years FwB situation) for my life thusfar”

        Woman getting a sexual partner is probably way different than a man getting one.

      • July 8, 2014 at 6:53 pm

        Probably, in most cases. I was a virgin till 22 though. Not because I couldn’t get dates or sexual partners…I am told I’m an attractive woman, and I got asked out a lot in high school and college. Heck, I get asked out by customers a few times a month even now.

        But due to the 7 years of molestation by my stepfather growing up (age 10-17 when I left home), I’d developed a severe touch phobia and had convinced myself I was asexual/had no libido whatsoever. It took over a year of patient help and sexual reawakening from said FwB before I could finally share my virginity with him…something I will always be eternally grateful for.

        So my story isn’t quite the norm. I imagine you are correct though, and most women are able to get sexual partners quite easily. What I heard in the locker room growing up would certainly suggest it.

      • EvilOne
        July 8, 2014 at 6:14 pm

        “I may not have a penis, but I gladly stand up for the sex I am most connected to.”

        Men dont particularly feel connection with other men…

      • July 8, 2014 at 6:43 pm

        I mean the one I wish I’d been born as, and the one all my friends are. Sorry, should have been clearer…

      • EvilOne
        July 8, 2014 at 7:25 pm

        “I wish I was born male.”

        Unless you mean a male in the top 20% in a majority of relevant traits – I dont think you know what you are wishing for.

      • July 8, 2014 at 7:39 pm

        I do. I wish I was born in a body that didn’t feel wrong every day.


        I would never be so naive to think that men have it easy…I’m well aware that being male comes with it’s own set of challenges and struggles. But to have people look at you and treat you as the gender you are inside, rather than the one your body is? What sweet relief that would be, even as it brings other pain.

    • Colby
      July 23, 2018 at 1:23 pm

      @Tarnished; you didn’t give your virginity away to your partner even though he was the first you WILLINGLY had sex with; your step-dad took it from you when he molested you for seven years. Just keeping you intellectually honest.

      • P Ray
        July 23, 2018 at 8:53 pm

        Was the molesting:
        1. groping
        2. penis in vagina?
        and since he got the goods for seven years, he must have had an amazing personality … since he got married to her mother AND got some extra nookie on the side.

        I wonder how more men can get that amazing personality to have no-strings-attached sex for seven years (if it was penis in vagina). Women aren’t gonna teach men that, so I read up where possible.

      • Colby
        July 25, 2018 at 4:36 pm

        @P Ray; obviously not something you can read up on, but I’m sure it’s plastered all over xvideos or pornhub.

      • P Ray
        October 29, 2018 at 8:15 am

        A true chad has no time for romance, and more importantly the women won’t ask him for it because they’re afraid of losing him by being demanding

  9. Denstar51
    December 10, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Some men have always been abused by women and both govt and local police let them get away with it. i’m sick and tired at 63 of abusive whorey or just plain American female pigs. Maybe foreign is better by i plan to MGTOW my last years, American women are and always have been assholes, NOT worth relationships,buying prostitutes is a better deal in this culture. Fuck feminism & equality. Who needs female men.

    • December 11, 2014 at 7:47 am

      63? My apologies in advance, but… too bad you can’t get those years back. I’m glad I’ve learned early.

  10. P Ray
    January 30, 2015 at 4:54 pm

    A white person saying
    “people who join ISIS are those who never got laid”

    The reply is, of course,
    you obviously think sex is something very special, to be doled out to the “deserving” …
    so maybe, you also, “get what you deserve” by discriminating against others.

    Also LOL at their attempt to equate MGTOW with terrorism. Chronically single women such as Laurie Dann cause problems too … not everyone is as “responsible” as Christine Chubbuck.

    • P Ray
      September 6, 2018 at 3:41 pm

      Looks like the guy who said “people who join ISIS are those who never got laid”
      … got laid a lot with those other than his wife, while married. She didn’t agree with that arrangement after discovering it, but it took awhile (until he lost his political perks after his resignation) for her say the marriage was through.
      It seems women always give second chances only to the men they are attracted to.
      PUBLISHED: 22:35 BST, 6 September 2018 | UPDATED: 23:46 BST, 6 September 2018
      Boris Johnson splits with lawyer wife of 25 years Marina after she accuses him of ANOTHER fling and his daughter brands him a ‘selfish b*****d’
      The former Foreign Secretary is reportedly no longer living with Marina Wheeler
      Their daughter Lara apparently said that her mother would ‘never take him back’
      In 2009, Mr Johnson fathered a daughter after an affair with Helen Macintyre
      He was earlier fired from the front bench over his affair with Petronella Wyatt

  11. P Ray
    June 13, 2018 at 5:33 am

    Remember, if the effort is excessive, she just doesn’t find you attractive
    There is no gym for your face

    • P Ray
      September 22, 2018 at 2:17 am

      More blackpill truth:
      [–]not_good_looking 7 points 7 hours ago*

      The average man has absolutely no bargaining power against the average woman in 2018.
      -Want to cheat back on her because she cheated on you?
      Nope, you can’t cheat even if you wanted to because you’d get rejected 99% of the time.

      -Ok, so you dump her ass to preserve your dignity?
      Nope! She would be happy that you saved her the trouble, and you’d find yourself thrown back into incel hell for months years while she hooks up with a new boyfriend 2 days later who is taller and better looking than you will ever be.

      -Want to tell her off because you don’t like the way she yells at you and treats you like garbage in front of other people?
      Lol, she dump your ass faster than lightning the moment you raise your voice, replace you with chad by nightfall and let him fuck her in the ass on the first date while you swipe endlessly on tinder to try to replace her.

      -Ok so maybe you wanna wait until she’s had her fun and decides to settle?
      Lol get ready for the old “I’m not a sexual person” talk while she continues boning chad on the side while you are slaving away at work trying to pay off her credit cards.

      -So you wanna divorce her?
      Hell yeah she says! 80% of your assets to me, now I can finally support chad financially with your alimony tee hee.

    • P Ray
      October 2, 2018 at 9:55 am

      A collection of philosophical discourses one is likely to find with the conclusion that women value looks over personality:

    • P Ray
      April 6, 2019 at 4:40 am

      “I’m just not a sexual person” in words, just so that the thick-headed, naive or bluepilled can understand – IF YOUR WIFE ISN’T HAVING SEX WITH YOU, SHE IS NOT ATTRACTED TO YOU!

      • P Ray
        April 6, 2019 at 4:49 am

        And a follow up to that: Judge says “having sex with your wife is a fundamental human right.”

        Naturally, Social Justice Warriors disagree. It seems men aren’t allowed to have sex with their wife.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6879993/Fury-judge-tells-court-fundamental-human-right-man-sex-wife.htmlFury as High Court judge says it’s a ‘fundamental human right’ for a man to have sex with his wife as he hears case of whether woman with learning difficulties is capable of giving consent
        Mr Justice Hayden made the comments during a preliminary hearing in a case heard by the Court of Protection, over whether a woman with learning difficulties had the ability to consent to intercourse.

        I think a woman should learn that being married means you get the sausage from time to time. Remember, if women can get a divorce if she doesn’t get ploughed … so should men if he doesn’t get sheathed. I suppose that’s not the equality SJWs want, but it seems they only want equality when it’s convenient for them … just like women … which is why the majority of SJWs … are women.

      • P Ray
        May 17, 2019 at 4:50 pm

        And the proof:

        If she doesn’t want sex with you … YOU ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE TO HER.
        This is why marital rape is not a crime – because the reality of women’s hypergamy, would make many men up sticks and leave, destroying the goods and services of any country. Plus make the country ripe for invasion since nobody would fight to defend it.

      • P Ray
        September 20, 2019 at 1:56 am

        Women “relationship therapists” are now saying what men have suspected about women since forever:

        How to supercharge your sex drive: Relationship coach shares the simple tricks to tackle a low libido – and why it’s not something you can ‘lose’
        Sydney-based sex therapist Jacqueline Hellyer says there’s a number of simple ways to ramp up your libido, no matter what age or stage of relationship you’re in. So what should we do?

        So the actual reality is … women will do all sorts of activities to get out of having sex with her husband or partner, if she is not really attracted to him, such as …
        1. waiting for him to go into the bathroom, then rushing off to pretend to sleep in the bed
        2. having lots of activities outside the house so that she is effectively a flatmate and not a wife/lover
        3. being on the board of various committees so there is always so much work that she can’t have sex
        4. hypochondriac – always needing to see doctors or healthcare professionals so she’s never at home.

        Beware … a woman who is attracted to you, will want to have sex with you OFTEN.

      • P Ray
        September 20, 2019 at 1:57 am

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7484509/Sexologist-Jacqueline-Hellyer-shares-simple-tricks-supercharge-sex-drive.htmlHow to supercharge your sex drive: Relationship coach shares the simple tricks to tackle a low libido – and why it’s not something you can ‘lose’

        Sydney-based sex therapist Jacqueline Hellyer says there’s a number of simple ways to ramp up your libido, no matter what age or stage of relationship you’re in. So what should we do?

  12. P Ray
    July 22, 2018 at 3:19 am

    RooshV was held by police in Iceland … because he had been trespassed in the UK … and his flight transited in the UK.

    The proof?

    Looks like feminism is the new religion, and to oppose it will get you classified as a terrorist …
    which strangely goes back to many religious beliefs that women cause trouble for men.

    • P Ray
      July 22, 2018 at 12:16 pm

      Most useful comments in that thread:
      July 12, 2018
      Let me tell you why Roosh got busted entering the UK. I worked in flight-ops until 2014 as departure control system admin for an international airline. This was my daily butter.
      UK Home Office will get your data even before the captain starts the engines ! If Roosh is banned from entering the UK (for whatever reason, no matter how trivial) they will enforce this rule. No ifs or buts. I don’t know if the agents in charge that took the decision to deviate your flight knew why you were banned. I guess they wanted to cover themselfes, better safe then sorry.
      As soon as the checkin supervisor on the departure airport closes the flight, the system will transfer out your APIS data record, together with the flights PNL (Passenger Name List) and another bunch of records to the UK Home Office and/or the destination airport. The UK Home Office wants to know who arrives and the airport needs to know what to do with the passengers. Connecting flights, special requests etc …
      As soon as the supervisor on the departing airport hits the button to close the flight for departure, the data goes out. This happens after the door is closed and before the pushback will move the aircraft.
      UK Home Office will crosscheck the PNL they receive with their databases and refuse flights with unwanted/banned individuals on board. The captain will then return or divert. His choice. Costly for the airline, since they have to suck up the following expenses and claims …
      UK and most other countries will penalize the airline if they allowed passenger on board without valid documents or visa. Checkin agents are drilled to make sure the customer they are checking in is allowed to travel. But they can’t detect if the UK has banned you, unless you are a criminal on the run and your name has been put out. The icelandic police probably didn’t even know what was up with you until you told them and the x checked.
      Up28 Down1

      July 12, 2018
      “unwanted” individuals – this is a dictatorship in action we are witnessing. There is so much the anti-descrimination and anti-racist efforts in the UK and yet, if you have an opinion they don’t like, you become “unwanted”.
      Up16 Down0

    • Jack Donovan
      September 21, 2019 at 9:13 am

      whilst I was humming across those horrid memes you hindu muffins had ben spreading’ I found this on Roosh:

      Did you know he actually raped us at the wolves of vineland, he told us he was a white guy with a tan and had hbd paperwork from steve sailor… shoulda known it’s real;y sailer. But imagine how you’d feel if you got tricked by a tranny (probably happened to you more than once 😉 That’s how I feel when a hindu muffin sticks his brown schlong in my mangina, it’s like having someone else cookie in my butthole…eeew, just, eeew….

  13. P Ray
    October 24, 2018 at 2:57 am

    And regarding MGTOW … women are trying to ban many pages on reddit with the general theme: women can’t be trusted, unless you’re the guy they want. In 1 sentence:

    they want us to go away from the internet because we are potential blackpilling beta providers and pussy worshipers to provide for them because foids truly hate being strong and independent thanks to them being the inferior gender so they leach off of a gullible man who will provide for her as a sub 10 male, even though they will never want to fuck them they only fuck for men with high quality genes

  14. P Ray
    November 16, 2018 at 6:49 am

    The reality is actually quite simple: If you are not desired you are merely required for them to fulfil a goal. This is why women turn bitchy towards their husbands fairly quickly … the guy is married because women want to get married, they don’t want to stay married.

    A better explanation follows:

    Most men are effectively incel
    If you’re a sub8, non-Chad male, then you are effectively an incel.
    “You pathetic coping virgin, the vast majority of men eventually get laid.”

    Yes, they do, but, contrary to what you think, the mere act of engaging in intercourse does not imply that you are a non-incel. Any incel can get sex from a hooker, but that does not mean anything to us.
    Most normies are effectively engaging in more socially acceptable forms of prostitution. Betabuxxing, cucking, “open relationships”. Effectively, there is no difference between an incel fucking a hooker and a “normie” cuck getting a monthly transactional starfish fuck from his “girlfriend”.
    If you are a sub8, women do not desire you. They fuck you because they feel they have to, not because they sexually desire you.
    Only Chad can have women truly wanting him as opposed to wanting what he provides.

    “You bitter incel faggot, my loving girlfriend loves having sex with me. Ha, you’re just mad you’ll never have that”</b

    Does she, cucktear? Does she truly? Or are you just coping?

    Will she still offer you sex if you stop providing her material and emotional resources? Will she let you fuck her whenever, however, and wherever you want, regardless of the circumstances? If you punch her in the face and give her a black eye, will she call the cops on you, or will she forgive you and bed you that same night? Does she gleefully let you engage in any kinky sex act you desire, like anal, without asking questions? Does she take off your condom in the middle of intercourse because she has a primal yearning to be inseminated by your Alpha semen?
    Chad is allowed all of these things. Chad does not have to give anything to obtain sex. That is because women want to have sex with Chad. They yearn for sex with Chad.

    Sex with Chad is validational, whereas sex with the beta-cuck is transactional.

    • P Ray
      November 16, 2018 at 8:00 am

      Could have been a reply to every other guy wanting to know, am I attractive?
      [–]2 points an hour ago*
      I knew this a long time ago, and I’ve been testing it for almost 20 years. You can literally tell how attractive you are (or how much someone is attracted to you) by checking how much women let you get away with.
      When you find yourself minding your words and jokes, trying not to offend her, or when she loses interest after your respond to a question with a joke, you know what the balance of power is.
      Just shows that even when women show interest, they are probably just using you for validation and entertainment, until Chad comes around.

    • S
      December 25, 2020 at 10:40 pm

      “If you’re a sub8, non-Chad male, then you are effectively an incel.” The problem with this line of thinking is that “Chad” is solely defined on looks. Which is not the case. (Unless you strictly associate looks with being a sexual alpha). A man with not-so-great looks (let’s say 7) can be a 9 with $ and status. Is he getting laid because he has $? Yes! To say he’s “effectively an incel” just cuz he is not 8 on the looks scale is pretty fucking stupid. Looks or $, that’s the way to get laid. Period. (And not all lays are equal, FWIW).

      • P Ray
        December 26, 2020 at 4:12 am

        Unless your man with the $ is “getting laid with teenagers”, he is effectively “paying for sex workers”, same as everybody else …

        If he has sex with her, when she has all the options and picks him, that’s fair.

        Otherwise all you have is a situation where – unless a lot of NDAs are signed, like Travers Beynon – these rich men are just as pathetic.

        They’re deadly afraid that they can be removed as the head of their empires, if discovered they are having sex with girls at the age of consent.

        Doesn’t sound like they have a lot of power …

  15. P Ray
    January 7, 2019 at 9:52 am

    Woman, and Internet, outraged when man won’t pay for the date’s bill (UKP100) … that is 6 times costlier than his own (UKP16)
    Student outrages his date by refusing to pay for her £100 meal while his cost SIX TIMES less at £16 – but do you think he was right not to get out his wallet?
    Reddit user u/CuteBananaMuffin, thought to be from Ireland, has shared the deluge of abuse he received from a woman after he refused to foot her bill at a restaurant – despite hers costing over six times more than his

    Looks like giving women the right to abort in Ireland, has exposed a large slippery slope that is now in use!

  16. P Ray
    February 18, 2019 at 1:38 am

    This goes here.

    [–]nihilismMattersTmro 23 points 18 hours ago
    I’m banned from the dating subs for equating “as friends” to “she doesn’t want to see you naked”
    There is no logic or shred of reality and any of those dating subs.
    [–]Harry_TeakJr. Hamster Analyst 6 points 11 hours ago
    You’re not supposed to know what the code phrases mean. Any indication that you do will lead to hisses of “we’ve got one that can seeeee!” and a tap from the banhammer.
    RIP Rowdy Roddy Piper (movie: They Live (1988)).

  17. P Ray
    March 19, 2019 at 3:47 am

    Remember this image?

    Well … what if the doctor was a fertility doctor and not an obstetrician?

    • P Ray
      March 19, 2019 at 3:50 am

      Then you get this wonderful outcome (since women say they like an educated man with a good job who cares for others … they can have his kids unknowingly. Just like how they make it illegal for paternity testing in France. Hurray!)

      Forty-eight children discover US fertility doctor who used his OWN sperm without his patients’ consent is their father
      48 children discover fertility doctor who used his OWN sperm WITHOUT patients’ consent is
      The rising popularity of genetic tests from websites including 23andMe has led dozens of people across the US to discover that they share the same father: Dr Donald Cline of Indiana. The now-80-year-old has admitted to using his own sperm to inseminate at least 50 unwitting women in the 1970s and 1980s. Several of the children conceived as a result have bonded with their half-siblings over the startling discovery that they’re related.

      Congratulations and good job, let us call him Donald “Doc” or Donald “Baby Doc”.

  18. P Ray
    December 24, 2020 at 10:25 am

    Another reason why “A Type of MGTOW, Not Game, Will Dominate The Future” … is because the only people allowed to give dating advice, will be women (that are always correct) and rich/tall/attractive men (that women want, so are never wrong).

    A good example to see how things turn out in that way?
    ‘I GUARANTEE he got this information from a dog training video’: TikTok user is SLAMMED for ‘misogynistic’ dating advice in a viral video urging men to ‘punish’ women’s ‘bad behavior’
    -Myron Gaines, a life and fitness coach from Miami, Florida, has been branded ‘misogynistic’ and ’emotionally abusive’ after one of his TikTok videos went viral
    -In the clip, he advised men on what they should do when a woman reschedules a date, saying they should ‘immediately punish’ her for her ‘undesirable behavior’
    -The controversial video was eventually shared on Twitter, where outraged users criticized Gaines for talking about training women as if they were dogs
    -TikTok later disabled his @freshnfit account for violating community guidelines

    So … women can have books that act as training manuals for men, like “The Rules” … but any man talking about how rules need to be set for acceptable behaviour by women, is wrong and must be cancelled.

    I wonder how long the West is going to go before showing the reality of rotating polygamy and soft harems.

    • poopface mcghee
      December 24, 2020 at 6:05 pm

      comparing whamminz to dogs….

      HOW disrespectfull!!!!



      TO DAWGS!

      (and that’s how I knew the MRM was a load of shit, when they compared whammiz to dawgs….

    • P Ray
      December 24, 2020 at 6:20 pm

      In the interests of equality (that women want) why is this comparison wrong?

      After all, they can and do say men are dogs … so why the fear of equal treatment?

      Are women afraid they’re actually not capable of being strong and independent?

      Or …

      do they want the strong and independent label, while secretly being supported by government and orbiter men?

      • poopface mcghee
        December 24, 2020 at 8:33 pm

        no, you filthy cuck….

        they call men pigs, get with the program…

        stop the canineisogyny by insulting dawgs.

        just because you lie it dawgie style does not mean you have the rapport to insult dawgs like that, check your transgender privilege you stinko pinko!

  19. Fuce
    December 24, 2020 at 11:20 pm

    What do you think about sugar daddy relationships? In terms of viability, usefulness, legality and etc.

    • P Ray
      December 25, 2020 at 7:47 am

      The real things about sugar daddy relationships is …

      the money is only important if she isn’t attracted to the guy.
      It is “compensation” like a “bar fine” for getting the hostess out of a bar.
      Women have a high price tag for men they are not attracted to.

      Also, the other funny thing about sugar daddy relationships is … the guy is usually married, because a lot of companies are only interested in giving the top positions to “men who are seen as socially respectable”.

      B-b-b-but muh Travers Beynon is a guy who is a tobacco tycoon … people can’t stop their addiction to his stinky bits, so virtue-signalling and puritanism won’t stop him, unlike the guys from Waking Life coffee … other people will buy from him if angry feminist women won’t.

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