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On the Possible Motivations of Travis Baumgartner

Some of you might have heard that an employee of G4S Cash Solutions Canada shot four of his coworkers, killing three of them.

Edmonton police are looking for an employee for a security firm who remains missing following an armoured-car robbery attempt that left three guards dead and another fighting for his life at Edmonton’s University of Alberta.Travis Brandon Baumgartner, 21, an employee of G4S Cash Solutions Canada, was identified by police as the subject of “an intense investigation,” Edmonton police chief Rod Knecht said. “This was not a random attack,” he said. At 3 p.m. local time, Edmonton police announced they were issuing four warrants – three counts of first-degree murder, one of attempted murder – for Mr. Baumgartner’s arrest.

Now, workplace shootings are not uncommon in the USA. Infact, we have a term to describe them- going postal. Mark Ames has even written a fairly well-recieved book about this phenomena- Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion: From Reagan’s Workplaces to Clinton’s Columbine and Beyond.

However this incident has some peculiarities. First- it happened in Canada… yes, Canada! Incidents such as these are extremely unusual in this country. Secondly, the guy does not meet many of the criteria of your typical workplace shooter. The alleged shooter is apparently tall (6′ 4″), was gainfully employed and not your average loner or anti-social guy. He did have some somewhat overtly optimistic estimates about his future- but nothing odd for a 22 year old guy. Infact, nothing about him stands out as particularly odd. Sure.. he had an interest in guns, but so do many men who seek employment in the armed forces or police.

People who want to rob an armored truck do not typically post FaceBook updates like-

His last status, written at 11:33 a.m. Thursday, quoted a line spoken in the movie The Dark Knight, by the Joker character. “One night she grabs the kitchen knife to defend herself, now he doesn’t like that… Not… One… Bit…” Mr. Baumgartner wrote.

or write things like this on their timeline-

Mr. Baumgartner’s Facebook page also suggests he was excited about his job. Earlier this week, he’d posted before a shift: “It’s time to go fill ABMs. If you want to know where that money comes from, I’ll tell you… Me :)”

And, on June 1, he wrote: “I wonder if I’d make the 6 o clock news if I just started poping [sic] people off.”

I believe that money, was at best, the peripheral motivation behind his unfortunate actions. In my opinion, his motivations to do what he did were highly personal in nature.. or he was doing bath salts.

What do you think? Comments?

PS: We will return to our usual programing about the nature and behavior of complex socio-economic systems and pictures of nekkid chicks after this post.

  1. June 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    bath salts, just like the guy who ate that other guy’s face?

    anyway, it’s official, I’ll never be an MRA….


  2. P Ray
    June 15, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Bath salts are not meant for the eating, but some people just want more spice in their food.
    Like motor oil and dishwasher liquid, some things just don’t create a “happy end”.

  3. June 16, 2012 at 10:02 am

    “I wonder if I’d make the 6 o clock news if I just started poping [sic] people off.”

    Is he not saying there that if he started killing people would he make the headlines? That seems like his motivation.

  4. June 16, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Looks like Luka Fagnotta was buddy buddy with the stormfront loser’s like RYU


  5. June 16, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    ooopsie, looks like I putt an f where there was supposed to be an m…..

  6. Matt Strictland
    June 17, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    I am suspicious of any press claiming that anyone is a WN. Certainly he could have posted on such boards or though himself a WN but than so can anyone. They are open boards

    These claims even when “factual” are of course are basically media /government Psy-Ops designed to discredit WN or right wing movements (remember the guy who shot Giffords and all the effort to make a a right winger when he was as much a Commie ) .

    Its natural, they are the natural foes of the diversity multi-cult and with the economy in the dumper set for a growth rate.

    Also Wn 2.0 is a lot easier to deal with than 1.0 for most people. Its a far more rational philosophy for the most part and while it accommodates 1.0 views does not require them .

    This allows people who do not wish to be part of the society but don’t see the need to hate to belong and is such a pretty clear danger.

    “I want a Whites only land” is a powerful message when its not distracted by eliminationist rhetoric, Neo Nazis screaming White power and all those theatrics.

    It even resonates with other racial groups who want their own lands and power and do not wish to be governed from DC .

    A widespread racial separation movement can have supporters on many sides. It even can have moral traction in Canada which just gave a lot of lands to the “1st nations”

    So it has to be discredited somehow. Otherwise they might spread.

    I’ll give them one defense though, excluding this guy, its not like until recently it was hard. I understand the need for solidarity building but a great many of the WN guys are as theatrical as the street theater types with the blood drenched puppets. Its counter productive.

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