Does the Long-Term Survival of “Civilization” Matter?

I will begin by asking a simple, yet often ignored, question which has an odd connection with the title of this post.

What are we referring to when we use the word “I”?

As many of you already know, I have no inclination or desire to engage in sophistic arguments about what different religions, philosophies or ideologies have to say about the nature of the self. A mode or regime of thought which cannot achieve anything worthwhile beyond empty debate is utterly worthless and delusional- whether it is Buddhism or Christianity. Moreover you do not have to believe in any particular school of thought to use and understand the concept of self.

So, is “I” a property of the body or the mind?

A person who has lost multiple limbs or received organ transplantation is still the same person and retains the previous self-identity. Since the mind and hence all mental processes such as self-identity are resident in the brain, you could say that “I” is partially a property of the brain. However, a brain under deep anesthesia while alive and functional does not posses self-identity.

Self-identity is an emergent property of one or more states of brain function.

Therefore pretty much everything and anything you do to remain alive is linked to the continued survival of those states of brain activity. Even the so-called higher functions of consciousness such as desire, ambitions and aspirations exist to serve a few states of brain activity. But there is an odd facet to being aware of your own self.

Humans are also aware that they are mortal.

So how do humans reconcile awareness of their own inevitable death and the conflicting need for their ‘self’ to keep on surviving? A few just ignore it and go on, but most try to compensate for the inevitable demise with their physical form by creating something that will outlast them. This takes many forms- from having children, organized religion, art and architecture, wars and nation building, exploring the world , creating new knowledge etc. But doing all of these things requires a seldom discussed but crucial precondition.

People must believe that their actions have a reasonably good chance of success.

Since it is hard to measure success after death, people have to rely on proxy indicators that their actions are in the right direction and not in vain. The lives of those who have lived before you are the commonly used and important proxy indicators for the success of your own actions. Therefore people who have seen their parents become more affluent through hard work are far more likely to follow a similar path and approach to life than those whose parents have become poorer over the years inspite of hard work. Similarly, people who have been part of functional families where grandparents are cared for by their own kids (parents) are far more likely to keep that tradition going when their own parents reach that stage of life. Most people will therefore keep the system running as long as it delivers a reasonable chance at non-corporal immortality and sense of purpose to life.

Our concern for the long survival of humanity is therefore dependent upon the belief that doing so helps us achieve non-corporal immortality.

For thousands of years, the majority bought into the whole premise of non-corporal immortality for a number of reasons. Firstly, it offered a sense of purpose and reason for living under conditions that were frankly pretty shitty. Then there was the lack of rational schools of thoughts or open debate and doing something because everybody else was doing it seemed like the easiest course of action. However the most important reason for maintaining the status quo was that it often worked and provided enough of the basic needs and incentives for people to keep on going.

So what happens when the system fails to deliver enough of the basic needs and incentives? What happens when it is seen as the obstacle to doing so?

Now, you might think that the system is delivering because ‘average’ people can check Facebook updates on iPhones, get fresh looking vegetables at the supermarket or buy a 3 dollar chicken sandwich from some fast food restaurant. But is that really the case? Are we not confusing shitty simulacra to satisfy urgent necessities with real needs and incentives? If these simulacra were sufficient, why are so many people dissatisfied with their lives? Why are so many people living by themselves? why are husband-wife and parent-child bonds so weak? Why do we prefer to check twitter updates and Reddit posts over talking a bit more to people we have sex with? Some of you might see such behaviors as “inevitable” consequence of people getting more affluent or something along those lines. I see them as strong evidence that people are actively disengaging from “civilization” because it is not satisfying the needs of the “I” within them.

Throughout human history “civilization” always tried to satisfy the needs and desires of “I” to remain viable. However a series of technological and social changes has resulted in a rapidly increasing divergence between the two to the extent that the “I” within each of us perceives “civilization” as the problem and not the solution. While “civilization” has the power of apparent numbers and inertia, it cannot win a conflict in which its supporters simply choose to gradually disengage and stay away. You cannot have a party if nobody shows up or barely talks with each other.

We now have a society full of people who are very aware that they is no real purpose or meaning in their existence, nor any reason to contribute to it in any meaningful manner.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. Dillon
    August 2, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    It is normal to become bored with comfort and whine about civilization not making you happy.. However spend a night in alone in the wilderness and civilization seems like a blessing.

    Existence has no meaning nor is it supposed to. To seek meaning comes from ego. You are as important to nature as a blade of grass. No more, no less. Trying to acheive immortality is foolish waste of precious time.

    Try to enjoy the moment. That’s all you have.

    • P Ray
      August 3, 2012 at 1:56 am

      It’s a wilderness no matter where you are, you can be killed by a krait or a car…

  2. Trucidator Diaboli
    August 3, 2012 at 6:19 am

    Guys, this guy, Shit’s Advocate, is running out of time. Tomorrow or this week, there will be the London bombings, after which they will accuse Iran and Hezbollah and make war on them then install the “New World Order”. Shit’s Advocate is in a hurry to brainwash you into falling into their sick ideology.

    • August 3, 2012 at 7:53 am

      hahaha, I think Diablo’s “real world activism” only extends to hiring prostitutes….

    • P Ray
      August 3, 2012 at 9:44 am

      How different is the New World Order from the Old World Order?
      You’ll still have liars in power, stupid people who enforce a myth, and smart ones who don’t care what the conflict is about as long as they make their money.

    • Trucidator Diaboli
      August 4, 2012 at 1:21 am

      Shit’s Advocate’s real world activism is the successful brainwashing of thousands of clueless guys out there.

      Where do you think he can afford all those prostitutes?
      How can he manage to maintain a very active blog while other bloggers have crashed?
      You guys know nothing of what’s going on.

      • P Ray
        August 4, 2012 at 5:32 am

        Should he instead settle for a lifetime of no sex with a woman who will lose her looks, likely cuckold him and take his wealth while demanding alimony after the divorce?
        Women create men like him, with their own conscious choices.
        Don’t want guys to advocate getting hookers?
        Don’t be a banged-out whore looking for a lifetime john that she doesn’t have sex with.
        I think that along with the marriage strike, MGTOW, MRA and the player mentality …
        women are learning to quickly appreciate the good men, or compete with each other for the bad.
        Her life – her choices!

      • Trucicator Daemonum
        August 4, 2012 at 12:53 pm

        You man know nothing.

      • Trucicator Daemonum
        August 4, 2012 at 12:55 pm

        You’re answer are a clear proof that you were brainwashed.

        The fact that you only can think of two choices in life shows how much your mental abilities are very limited.

      • P Ray
        August 4, 2012 at 1:25 pm

        Every choice is a binary choice.
        You have a fundamental misunderstanding of logic if you can’t see that.

      • Trucidator Daemonum
        August 4, 2012 at 10:59 pm

        If you can’t see the programming that they have installed in your heads, then you’re a lost case. You will go down the road where they want to steer you.
        The two choices you talk about were imposed on you by them. They are a thesis (marriage, tradition) and an antithesis (prostitutes, game, porn, masturbation) out of which they want to create the following synthesis: the perfect bisexual androgynous mind-control slave whom they will literally fuck whenever they want, who will be often denied sex with women (they will have the women for them, although they are all bisexuals) thus leading him to resort to sex with men, animals, robots or to just masturbation and porn, but who will be allowed to be married for procreation in order to create further bisexual androgynous mind-control slaves.
        This is the new world order they want you to live in.

      • P Ray
        August 5, 2012 at 12:47 am

        Yes, and choosing or not to spend your money to get what you want is your choice too.
        Every interaction is a transaction.

  3. InT
    August 4, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    I almost feel like checking out my local Mason lodge.

  4. Sandi
    November 4, 2012 at 10:57 am

    P Ray :
    Yes, and choosing or not to spend your money to get what you want is your choice too.
    Every interaction is a transaction.

    Things are not black and white. That is the deception. The third eye is a symbol of enlightenment, being able to balance the light and the dark. Duality is the real illusion.

    You want to know why we find our existence meaningless? We’re being forced into believing our existence is merely physical when it is so much more (or less depending on the view).

    Everything you’ve mentioned just points to a loss of community. Something which humans do need in order to produce a sense of worth. We do live in a world where people do things to benefit themselves over others, but it’s not how we have to be. Nor do I think it’s how everyone chooses to be.

    You’re right we make our own choices, but we’re also easily manipulated.

    Every human interaction is not a transaction, and it doesn’t have to be.

    Underground groups who come together to make differences are proof that a need for this kind of community exists, and that there are people willing to contribute to it.

    • Sandi
      November 4, 2012 at 10:59 am

      Oh and in reply to your link, you can still be a prostitute and be an advocate for women’s rights.

      It’s never black and white.

    • P Ray
      November 5, 2012 at 1:36 am

      Every human interaction is not a transaction, and it doesn’t have to be.
      Just because you think things don’t count … doesn’t mean that they don’t.

  5. P Ray
    March 31, 2020 at 8:35 am

    Remember these wise words:
    For centuries men have fought and died for a world to be built on the wish-fulfillments of the human ideals of control, beauty, hygiene and order.
    A mans insatiable craving for instant sexual gratification, preposition to aggression, to commit adultery and murder, were to be curbed through means of legislation and jurisdiction for the well-being of the human community.
    Even when this putted man in a constant low-key struggle against civilization itself, the promise of a secure, fulfilling life coupled with a hot wife, 2.5 kids and a house in the suburbs made him repress his primitive instinct and work for the betterment of society.

    But many weren’t content with this world of white picket fences, green lawns and sunny smiles.
    At it’s civilizational peak anal fissures are at a all time high, infidelity is a ‘good thing’ and cuckolding has become an anointed intellectual fetish…
    Third wave feminism has achieved the seemingly impossible; simultaneously decrying civilization as the utmost oppressive mechanism of the “patriarchy”, while using it’s tools to enshrine their ideological imperative into law, keeping it’s most progressive aspects – bodily autonomy, consent laws, women’s empowerment, reproductive rights – while otherwise turning the sexual sphere for men in an unequal place where the law of the jungle reigns supreme.

    In one sentence: laws were enacted and male behaviours punished so that civilization would thrive, and instead has finally produced feral women and emasculated men.

  1. November 3, 2012 at 9:53 pm

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