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An Odd Insight from 30-40 yr Old Photos

I often spend time googling for photos of anything that catches my fancy. The subjects of my searches range from some particular tropical island, specific food item, animal, plant, old machinery, building etc. During the course of my whimsical googling for pictures about hairstyles and fashions from the 1960-80s, I made an interesting observation.

There was a time, not long ago, when even average looking guys had non-obese and decent looking girlfriends or wives.

Initially I thought that this observation was the result of superficial searching (top 5-10 pages of results) which might bias it towards more attractive chicks. But even detailed and random searches of digitized photo albums of average people from that era did not change my initial observation. For reasons that I will not speculate about right now, the median young woman from 30-40 years ago was significantly thinner and more feminine than her present day equivalent.

The other part of my observation was that even average looking guys with a poor sense of dress and style were going out or married to such women. Now I am sure that there was lots of partner-hopping and ‘experimentation’ in the 1970s-80s, but it is obvious that even average looking guys were frequently tapping some quality ass. Fast forward to today, and you see a different picture. Even average chubby chicks don’t want to be in LTRs, or seen in public, with guys that are not famous, infamous or “hot” unless she can use him as a walking ATM.

Today even non-obese, 6 foot plus guys with decent jobs have trouble finding and maintaining ‘relationships’ with plain but non-obese women. Young men who would have been a catch during their parents generation now spend a lot of the free time fapping to online porn, playing video games and screwing around on smartphones. The majority who try to find women for regular sex and or relationships seem to have, at best, sporadic success in obtaining willing female company.

Apparently, the ‘standards’ and demands of the median young woman has increased at the same rate as her weight and masculinity.

But why? What do you think? Comments?

  1. August 11, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    It sure seems that we are always nostalgic for the past, but I guess if you look at less developed countries, their women seem just as feminine as they were in this country’s past. The obesity thing isn’t just a matter of being nostalgic as there are hard numbers, but I would hardly disagree with the attitudes. The divide between the rich and not have been amplified with technology showing how everyone compares and you are no longer just competing within your small town, but globally for dominance. The result is several lucky “winners” taking home all the pussy in this case. Technology has made the times change with a bigger pyramid now than ever before. Also wanted to say I enjoy your thoughts and reading your posts.

    This is less about nostalgia and more about understanding something that is counterintuitive.

    • P Ray
      August 12, 2012 at 11:41 am

      The result is several lucky “winners” taking home all the pussy in this case.The pussy reinforces itself. Women … want the men other women want.

  2. ant
    August 11, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    didn’t you did an post of ‘why women get fatter and more picky’ not long ago? This should be a continuation of that article,tho tbh.

    Yes, but I am interested in what others think.

  3. Days of Broken Arrows
    August 11, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    As women have been able to become financially self-sufficient on their own, their standards have risen because they no longer need rely on Beta men to provide. Also, women are fatter now. Put those two things together and you get your answer.

    I’d like to see some links to the photos you found.

    Try publicly viewable Flickr albums tagged by decade, year and content.

  4. Dillon
    August 11, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    There are no single women anymore. They are all in relationship with the big pimp daddy “The State”.

    Men have made their own selves obsolete. Like horses. Now they are only good for entertainment.

    • P Ray
      August 12, 2012 at 11:43 am

      There are no single women … unless they notice you get attention from those better than themselves.
      Women … want the men other women want.

  5. jackal
    August 12, 2012 at 1:46 am

    You’re right. Women aren’t what they used to be. BPA (bisphenol A) and other estrogen-laced products are endocrine disruptors. In psychologist Dr. Leonard Sax’s “Boys Adrift” (www.boysadrift.com), he discuses the five factors driving a combination of social and biological factors that have been creating an environment that is literally toxic, responsible for not just lowering male testosterone levels and causing brain damage but also for masculinization of females. A person ingests more BPA from two plastic bottles of water than is in one birth-control pill. Network adverts for medicine that combats facial hair on females, points to just how epidemic the problem is. You have to sell a lot of medicine to afford multi-million-dollar adverts. Female masculinization is so bad in Japan, where spousal domestic violence is unknown, child-parent violence has been on the rise, usually an adult, lives-at-home son beating up his mother, after he comes home to find that she has been in his room cleaning. He abuses her ostensibly believing she’s been snooping into his anima life online. These adult, male children believe real Japanese girls are rude and demanding, so they prefer the virtual world to real world, by rule. The shut-in phenomenon is know as hikikomori, a Japanese term referring to “…reclusive people who have chosen to withdraw from social life, often seeking extreme degrees of isolation and confinement because of various personal and social factors in their lives. The term hikikomori refers to both the sociological phenomenon in general as well as to people belonging to this societal group. In Western terminology this group may include individuals suffering from social phobia or social anxiety problems. This could also be due to agoraphobia, avoidant personality disorder or painful or extreme shyness.” Michael Zielenziger’s “Shutting Out The Sun,” about Japan’s lost generation, discusses guys who have disengaged from society, live at home, and are waited on by their mothers. Some do not leave their rooms and online life for years. Seems to me online addiction is a problem every country now. Where woman are not what they used to be, it’s the same thing with men. The bigger question: Has BPA driven alternative lifestyle?

  6. P Ray
    August 12, 2012 at 5:35 am

    Peer pressure from other girls and relational aggression is the biggest reason.
    Women are only going to pick men … that other women approve of.
    The biggest losers in this scheme … are the girls with lots of female friends.
    They only want the guys who can create the most drama for them, so that they can have mutual verbal masturbation with their friends about how bad their boyfriend is.
    Example: Kirsten Stewart, the trampire.

    • P Ray
      August 12, 2012 at 5:38 am

      On the flip side of it,
      fewer men will commit to the girls out there, even the “men in demand” … because when a man knows he’s in demand – he’ll try to get the best deal. JUST LIKE THE GIRLS.
      Equality is a bitch, especially when they want to be treated like princesses for merely existing.

    • joesantus
      July 22, 2015 at 6:11 am

      …and, in case anyone doubts that women’s behavior is to want men when other women want theose men, here’s what science reveals:

      “Mate-choice copying is shown when women imitate the mate-choice preferences of other women. We propose that the preferences of women with a pleasant character should be more influential than those of women with an unpleasant character and further suggest that this should apply only when the female demonstrates active interest in the male, rather than disinterest. Here, we presented women as having either a pleasant or unpleasant character and found that observing pleasant women looking at men increased women’s preferences for those men, while observing unpleasant women looking at men had no effect on women’s preferences. Furthermore, the effect of being looked at by a pleasant woman was heightened when she was smiling. This suggests that judgements of facial attractiveness can be socially influenced and that character affects the degree of influence.”

      That’s the abstract of a study referenced as: “Simon Chu,
      School of Psychology, University of Central Lancashire, Preston PR1 2HE, UK
      Received 13 September 2011, Revised 19 December 2011, Accepted 28 December 2011, Available online 20 January 2012”

      Found here: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000037

  7. Retrenched
    August 12, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Something else to remember is that there used to be quite a bit of pressure on young women to get married before a certain age, say 23 or so. This meant that most women had to settle for men who were more or less at their one level, rather than chase men who were above their level (as they are free to do now thanks to contraception, abortion, welfare etc).

    • Retrenched
      August 12, 2012 at 8:32 am

      “one” should be “own”.

      • P Ray
        August 12, 2012 at 11:37 am

        When men see how much the guy she wants gets away with treating her, they’ll know everytime she throws a shitfit is because he(the guy she’s with) … is not the man she’s dreaming of.
        Chances of a stable relationship then go to 0.
        Of course, only men who observe their girlfriends closely will notice that pattern of behaviour.

  8. August 12, 2012 at 9:42 am

    anyways, you are all overthinking this….

    rising obesity rates mean that back in the day, the average woman was leaner and more appealing….

  9. Anonymous
    August 12, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Good comments. All I’ll add is that whereas before, being a single woman in her 30s was highly frowned upon and something to be ashamed of, nowadays it is smiled upon and something to gloat about (even if the gloater then goes home and cries herself to sleep). Women need to give each other some tough love: they would all be happier if they all cut the bullshit and allowed each other to settle for someone in their league.

    • P Ray
      August 12, 2012 at 11:34 am

      Someone in their league will always disappoint them …
      because women want the men who have the option to cheat on them,
      to be loyal to them.
      Somewhere out there is a person trying to prepare fried ice.

      • joesantus
        July 22, 2015 at 6:27 am

        …and, by “WANT”, we mean “sexually want”. Women will SETTLE for a guy for whom she feels little or no sexual attraction if settling gets her his wallet, especially his long-term wallet. In the process, he’ll end up getting relatively little or even no sex (at least enthusiastic, mutually-desired sex) from her, and while he’s lamenting, “My wife has lost interest in sex!”, she’ll possibly be fucking (or at least fantasizing about fucking) the few guys for whom she does feel sexual attraction.

        Here’s science data showing the “will-settle-for-a-less attractive-guy-if-she-gains-a-long-term-wallet” choice women make unless they think they have better options:

        “Women appear to exhibit a subtle reluctance to engage in long-term relationships with physically attractive, high-status men. We propose that this bias away from men of very high market value is based on fear that these males may desert a relationship and also on the comparative self-perceived market value of the women. Therefore, interpersonal trust and perceived market value should moderate the extent of this counterintuitive bias. To test this proposal, we asked women with varying levels of interpersonal trust and self-perceived desirability to consider physically-attractive and physically-average men of high, medium and low socioeconomic status and rate each in terms of attractiveness as a long-term partner. Results showed that women’s perceptions of their own desirability and their level of trust predicted their ratings of men with high-value in the mating market, and that women with high levels of both desirability and trust were less likely to show a bias away from high-value men. Interpersonal trust and desirability moderate the degree to which women find physically attractive men attractive as potential partners.”

        That’s an abstract of this referenced study:
        Simon Chua, Danielle Farra, Luna C. Muñoza, John E. Lycettb
        a. School of Psychology, University of Central Lancashire, Preston PR1 2HE, UK
        b. School of Biological Sciences, University of Liverpool, Liverpool L69 7ZB, UK
        Received 14 January 2011, Revised 17 March 2011, Accepted 21 March 2011, Available online 12 April 2011

        Found here:

      • joesantus
        July 22, 2015 at 6:55 am

        …and, in case anyone doubts that women DO sexually want certain males despite settling for the ones-providing-long-term-wallets whom they find less attractive or unattractive, here’s THAT science data:

        ” If attractiveness is an important cue for mate choice, as proposed by evolutionary psychologists, then attractive individuals should have greater mating success than their peers. We tested this hypothesis in a large sample of adults. Facial attractiveness correlated with the number of short-term, but not long-term, sexual partners, for males, and with the number of long-term, but not short-term, sexual partners and age of first sex, for females. Body attractiveness also correlated significantly with the number of short-term, but not long-term, sexual partners, for males, and attractive males became sexually active earlier than their peers. Body attractiveness did not correlate with any sexual behavior variable for females. To determine which aspects of attractiveness were important, we examined associations between sexual behaviors and three components of attractiveness: sexual dimorphism, averageness, and symmetry. Sexual dimorphism showed the clearest associations with sexual behaviors. Masculine males (bodies, similar trend for faces) had more short-term sexual partners, and feminine females (faces) had more long-term sexual partners than their peers. Feminine females (faces) also became sexually active earlier than their peers. Average males (faces and bodies) had more short-term sexual partners and more extra-pair copulations (EPC) than their peers. Symmetric women (faces) became sexually active earlier than their peers. Given that male reproductive success depends more on short-term mating opportunities than does female reproductive success, these findings suggest that individuals of high phenotypic quality have higher mating success than their lower quality counterparts.”

        That abstract is from this referenced study:

        Gillian Rhodesa, Leigh W. Simmonsb, Marianne Petersa
        a. School of Psychology, University of Western Australia, 35 Stirling Highway, Crawley, WA 6009, Australia
        b. Evolutionary Biology Research Group, School of Animal Biology (M092), University of Western Australia, 35 Stirling Highway, Crawley, WA 6009, Australia
        Received 24 October 2003, Accepted 23 August 2004, Available online 26 February 2005

        Found here:

  10. August 12, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    This has been well documented by a now-defunct blog called the “ratio factor”, in which the blog author examined how falling birthrates have led to the decline of dating market options for men.

    Each generation means less women are born into the dating market. Women have a short shelf life, from around 18-30, whereas men have a long shelf life, from around 18-40 (rough numbers). As a result, the shrinking birthrates mean that more men compete for less women in the desirable age ranges, resulting in millions of single men.

    With the surplus of single men, even the most average of women can dictate the terms of a relationship with men significantly higher in dating market value than themselves.

    The reason why men have more power in less developed countries is because their birthrates are still healthy and high, which means there are plenty of young babes to go around. When birthrates are high, women have more competition and men can easily secure girlfriends or be total players. But when birthrates are low, women have less competition and are free to be sluts, whores, and bitches without any consequence.

    • P Ray
      August 12, 2012 at 5:49 pm

      But when birthrates are low, women have less competition and are free to be sluts, whores, and bitches without any consequence.
      Fewer men to women … also means fewer men to protect the same women, get married to them, or contribute to the financial well-being of a stable society.
      After all … a player can only ever marry one woman. Polygamy has its own consequences, with children from different mothers mysteriously dying when jealously is involved.
      I wonder whether women think that through as a consequence too…

    • P Ray
      August 13, 2012 at 8:56 am

      I hear resistant gonorrhea is coming along nicely.
      When religion fails to rein in stupid human impulse, it’s so nice to know nature takes over and gives us evolution.
      Now if only there was a way to stop social welfare payment to entitled people who got this disease through an impulsive lifestyle.

  11. BellRinger
    August 12, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    For example, looking at older issues of Pl*yboy and current issues; I would take the current.

    Who looks at Playboy in the age of internet porn? I have not bought one for almost 15 years.

    • August 12, 2012 at 7:10 pm

      Airbrush and I would have to assume dieting and plastic surgery has advanced…

    • Dreamer
      August 13, 2012 at 1:12 pm

      15 years? I thought you were in your late 20’s? Or were you able to sneak a few buys when you were 15?

      A few years older than that.

  12. Anonmymous
    August 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    There is much truth in this post. For instance, I have made countless fake online dating profiles and I can tell you just how high women’s standards are. They are ruthless:

    1) They rarely respond to Average looking guys and when they do they will behave with incredible haughtiness as though they are doing them an incredible favor. They will never message them first.

    2)If you make a profile of exceptionally handsome men, you can expect to get around 40+ messages in a single day. No other variable including income/status/education/interests or any combination can produce the same amount of success as a good looking guy.

    3)They won’t suspect the profile is fake unless they know they know the man’s identity. They will never question the authenticity of the profile. When I message them that “the profile is fake” they are often surprised/angry/frustrated even if it was only my first message back to them. Should they really be blaming me for deceiving them when the men look like this? Do women lack this much common sense?


    The truth is you literally need to look like a spitting image of what the media wants you to be or you won´t get laid with non-obese women. When a woman boasts that her man isn’t “conventionally attractive”, maybe we should ask her whether she thinks she is conventionally attractive. Why do all girls nowadays feel they deserve a conventionally attractive men?


    • P Ray
      August 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm

      Women like to say that they are “less shallow” than men …
      the biggest way to disprove this? while almost down to the last one, they choose guys taller than them.
      Which is why I welcome a return to savage rejections by men towards women.
      She asks for how much you earn, you ask for how big her chest is, or how many guys she’s been through previously.
      Earning a date with someone who sees you only as a meal-ticket or last resort, is not a victory.

      • Anonmymous
        August 13, 2012 at 8:57 pm

        See, the thing with women is that when they see an attractive man, they assume all sorts of positive things about his character. This gives women the false impression that they are less shallow. They say to themselves “It’s not just his looks I’m attracted to, I’m attracted to this man for his confidence, intelligence, perseverance, and generosity”. The truth is, she is just reacting to his appearance. When I made a chad white profile, I only wrote about 3 lines of text and women called “him” intelligent, reserved, confident etc. Same thing happened when I made a sean opry profile. When I made a marcus hedbrandh profile(ranked by forbes one of the top 10 most successful male models in history), only 1/60 women who contacted him suspected the profile was fake. Here, I’ll post some chat logs, I blocked names/information so no harm done I guess?

        A perfect example of what I’m talking about from my one-legged chad white on crutches profile. “It’s what’s on the inside and I like what I see”:

        More women who believe they aren’t shallow:

        This girl for instance prided herself on being able to “read people” but couldn’t tell the profile was fake.

  13. August 16, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    Roissy’s four sirens of the sexual apocalypse explains it.

  14. August 19, 2012 at 11:36 am

    I go to the Supermarket and (no homo) but I see average lookIng guys with these fat triple chinned women. One even made me take a double look. There was a fairly good looking athletic black (think black jock type) with a HUGE white lady. You can see the shame in his face as he walked around with her. So I think you are right on about this post.

  15. sameoldsameold
    August 19, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Hell, I was a kid in the late 60’s, early 70’s…I remember quite often being depressed seeing the number of tall, good looking dudes with shit-eating grins, squiring about some sea-mammal, some with bodies so distorted (like Baby Huey) that no amount of weight loss would make them good looking. Even realizing that real-life people weren’t on average going to be as aesthetically pleasing as the average media celebrity. Althought I did grow up in the Philadelphia area, which had the honor of being named the fattest city in America (herego the world)

  16. July 13, 2015 at 4:54 pm

    Real sad, but true. I just met a chick from a hookup site. Turns out, her photos are at least 7 years old and she just posted them recently. Why did I meet her and she ended up having a neck like Alfred Fucking Hitchcock with a body like Spongebob Squarepants?! And she begs me to spank her and I’m contemplating on if I should even do that… How fucking sad!

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