Circular Reasoning and Nostalgia in the CONservative Mind

One of the more peculiar fetishes of the CONservative mind is it obsession with the world as it used to be. Somehow they believe that things, institutions and mores are good simply because they have ‘stood the test of time’. As some of you might realize, this is a form of circular reasoning whereby people justify something they want based on the belief that it used to always exist.

It is as if the prior existence of something, however undesirable, legitimizes its existence in the CONservative mind.

These disingenuous morons are however oddly selective about labeling something as good based on its prior existence. So according to them rule by assorted kings, nobility and hereditary elite is fine but living in cities without a functional sewage system is not. Given that the rise of greedy assholes and the poor sewage disposal are both consequences of urbanization and agriculture, why celebrate one but reform the other? Surely the best way to enjoy the former is to live in an era where half-starving people crap/piss everywhere and bathe once a month (or less).

But why stop there.. what about trying people for witchcraft and killing them? Since accusations of malicious witchcraft have been a part of human society for a few thousand years and across lines of race or religion, bringing back public trials for witchcraft should provide entertainment while maintaining a long-beloved tradition. Witch trials just fits in so well with slavery and indentured labor– practices which the USA is returning to anyway. While we are at it- What about rehabilitating Pederasty a most beloved institution of the greco-roman world which is supposed to the fountainhead of western ‘civilization’. Why let Afghan warlords have all the fun?

Then there is the issue of religion based wars. What was so wrong about crusades, jihads and other assorted religion-based wars? Since killing people because they believe in the ‘wrong’ voice in your head was OK for most of the last few thousand years, what is wrong in bringing such things back. We cannot forget mass murder based on race or ethnicity.. wasn’t that stuff very popular right into the last century. Or what about stealing land from other people? For all the talk of “property rights” and “western civilization” it is hard to imagine the world of today without the genocide of indigenous populations in the Americas and Australia.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. October 30, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Very good reasoning! Conservatives and even WNs consider a white South-Africa and Australia as a given, but consider you nuts when you point out that they would have the same moral right(or the same lack of that) to invade Saudi-Arabia or China.
    Also, as regards religion, why couldn’t Black Christians have the right to enslave white Atheists? Christianity is always wrong or always right, isn’t it?

    • P Ray
      October 30, 2012 at 11:41 pm

      I find it very funny that few people have a problem with white Christian males marrying women of other races and faiths …
      but “colored” Christian/of other faith males are not allowed to marry white Christian females, as an example.
      Seems you’re not “Christian-enough” if you’re not white.
      Not only that … the “colored” Christian/of other faiths congregations … go out of their way to discourage their males from marrying white.
      So much for “everyone is equal in God’s eyes”.

      • October 31, 2012 at 4:18 am

        Where do you gather that I am a Christian? If anything, the concept of patrilinearity is underdeveloped by white Christians. It is a powerful reason why women avoid white Christian males.

      • P Ray
        October 31, 2012 at 4:58 am

        Wasn’t talking about you … was talking about beliefs and practices as they relate to Christianity, supposedly the foundation for our just and true legal systems. Where everyone is equal before the law, but not under the sheets.

        It is a powerful reason why women avoid white Christian males.
        Me love you long time, seems to cancel that belief

  2. October 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Reblogged this on oogenhand.

  3. Trucidator Diabolorum
    October 31, 2012 at 1:05 am

    “But why stop there.. what about trying people for witchcraft and killing them? Since accusations of malicious witchcraft have been a part of human society for a few thousand years and across lines of race or religion, bringing back public trials for witchcraft should provide entertainment while maintaining a long-beloved tradition. Witch trials just fits in so well with slavery and indentured labor- practices which the USA is returning to anyway. While we are at it- What about rehabilitating Pederasty a most beloved institution of the greco-roman world which is supposed to the fountainhead of western ‘civilization’. Why let Afghan warlords have all the fun?”

    Some Freudian slips here by Shit’s Advogato.
    Masons practice witchcraft, white or black magic and of course sex magick. They are obsessed with trying to show witches as the poor ones.
    Masons are fond of pederasty. Pederasty is what makes a Mason illuminated whereby his third eye becomes open and the light of Lucifer enters him.

    Shit’s Advogato is a boy lover who’s teaching you about women.

  4. sth_txs
    October 31, 2012 at 4:21 am

    No worse than libtards that think more government can solve every social ill even though they are oblivious that their ideas are always destructive to society.

  5. Webe
    October 31, 2012 at 4:31 am

    Witchcraft doesn’t need to be brought back, we already have it.

    The war against terror and al-quaeda, an invisible enemy that just seems to turn up wherever there is trouble, there are even enemies within in the homeland.

    For Aristotle and the ancient Greeks, working for a wage, that is renting out your body/time would qualify as slavery. For them the various shades of working conditions are all on a continuous scale of treating the slaves well or poorly.

    As for genocide, no century has resulted in greater destruction of ethnic/cultural diversity (the number of separate languages and ethnic/cultural groups) than our own.

    So there’s nothing to bring back, except perhaps pederasty, but I’m no expert there.

  6. Wilson
    October 31, 2012 at 10:02 am

    “If it’s not broke don’t fix it” is not circular, while “change and hope” doesn’t even make sense enough to argue that it’s circular

  7. October 31, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Let’s keep the “CONservativvies” out
    The Hippies, PC and coloreds
    have kept a’mericqa great
    these past 30 years

    • P Ray
      November 2, 2012 at 3:09 am

      Don’t know if this comment will get through,
      but
      w h i t e w a t c h . i n f o
      is the one to read.
      You’re welcome!

      • November 2, 2012 at 3:46 am

        Nice read. It is true white people lead in devil worship. That pedophile Vlad sure is scary.

  8. Matt Strictland
    November 1, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Put simply, my main concern is for things that improve the lives of me and mine. If I think an era would have been more satisfying to that end than its right that I have some interest in it or where feasible (and it rarely is) recreating favorable conditions.

    Having actually been alive in the past and interacted with people then I can say categorically life was mostly better in happiness terms for people I care about than as versus now.

    And yes it certainly wasn’t better for indigenous peoples at any point or a number of other classes or anyone we can get cheap resources from for that matter that however is not my problem. Like most humans I seek personal and in-group betterment not a broader good something I think is unattainable.

    Now I will say unlike much of the upper class, who are not my people either I don’t enjoy human suffering and if I can endorse polices that benefit a broad section even not mine but close to me while still leaving me and mine enough I am fine with that .

    However the fact is while life is not zero sum , the amount of goodies are limited .This means such policies have to be limited. Once the US went cultural Marxist (back about 1965) and a critical mass of out-group was reached, the ability to create such policies went with it as well, There flow of give take is gone.

    As a general Conservative I do abide by the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” as versus “forward to utopia.” as espoused by the Progressives. This leaves me in an awkward place, it is broke, maybe can’t be fixed. So the best option is to let it die and maybe build something better.

    This sucks but what can you do. I am not a nihilist like our host and I may be deluding myself, so be it. I am happy in my delusions and will cheerfully swallow the green pill.

  9. November 2, 2012 at 12:39 am

    Matt Strictland : Like most humans I seek personal and in-group betterment not a broader good something I think is unattainable.

    Humans are Neutral with Lawful Evil tendencies:)

    • Dude
      November 2, 2012 at 1:49 pm

      I loled.

    • November 2, 2012 at 7:40 pm

      hahahaha,

      that’s a Dungeon’s and Dragon’s reference…..

      I’m Chaotic something or other….

      • November 2, 2012 at 9:24 pm

        Yes, a D&D reference.

  10. Matt Strictland
    November 2, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    oogenhand :

    Matt Strictland : Like most humans I seek personal and in-group betterment not a broader good something I think is unattainable.

    Humans are Neutral with Lawful Evil tendencies:)

    Thats exactly my opinion as well though at one point I was neutral good. I grew out of it.

  11. whatever
    November 3, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Also, many conservatives are old. Since they are such wonderful and incredible people, the way they did things must be correct, because if it isn’t, they made a mistake. And they are to wonderful to make a mistake. Also, times then were harder, because that makes them more wonderful. Things were better back them, because that makes them more wonderful. See how it works?

  12. Sandi
    November 4, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Seriously most of those things are still in effect. It’s just that no one’s upfront about it.

    I can’t tell if your posts are merely alluding to answers that you already know before you post…

    Interesting site nonetheless. You remind me of someone I used to know…

  13. why not
    November 6, 2012 at 3:02 am

    What’s wrong with selective reasoning?

    Can’t you have the mentality of the great people of the past in a technological world?

    Can’t you use conservative thought to counter feminism, cultural marxism?

    Can you not honor the traditions of the past, see their rationale behind it, and use them to foster a healthy civilization while progressing forth technologically wise (but not too much to the point o fTerminator)

  1. November 3, 2012 at 8:31 pm

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