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Question for ‘High IQ’ and ‘HBD-aware’ Morons

Here is a question, or two, for the ‘High IQ’ and ‘HBD-aware’ morons that populate certain regions of the blogosphere. And yes.. I have asked similar questions in previous posts. However, for reasons that one can only speculate about, posts about this topic result in interesting and entertaining replies.

If ‘High IQ’ was a useful trait and all those pseudo-scientific rantings about ‘Human Bio-Diversity’ were true- why are so many of the believers in both interested in learning game to attract women? Why are so many of them also interested in returning to stifling ‘traditional family’ values than embrace free-market competition in the sexual marketplace?

I mean.. if you have what it takes to make a woman readily drop her panties- why are you reading Roissy, Roosh or any of the other similar blogs about ‘game’ which curiously also bemoan the loss of ‘traditional’ values. Surely, autistic ‘high IQ’ STEMers would have no problem getting and retaining hot chicks to have sex with and starting a family. But is that how things roll? Why not? Was it ever the case? Why aren’t women throwing themselves at silicon-valley dweebs? Ever heard a woman proclaim her attraction to ‘brainy’ scientists, engineers or programmers- unless it somehow lead to alimony, child-support or inheritance? I can think of many examples of women cheating on their STEMer dweebs and white knights with bad boys- but does the reverse ever happen? How many of you heard about a woman pining for a ‘brainy’ guy while she is having sex with a bad boy?

Why is it that a mid-level drug dealer who might have spent years in jail can get better and more pussy than the ‘smart’ lawyer who is prosecuting or defending him in court? One has invested years of his life in ‘higher learning’ and ends up with a small incestuous ring of ball-breaking bitches who know each other. In contrast, the mid-level drug dealers gets tons of young and hot girls from diverse circles- almost without trying. If ‘High IQ’ and ‘g-loaded’ mental functioning was either real or useful- wouldn’t the opposite be true? Heck, even the median small-time drug dealer scores much more and better pussy than the median millionaire partner in a ‘big-law’ firm. This phenomenon is even more remarkable considering that the under-sexed lawyer likely has much more money than either the mid- or low- level drug dealer.

Let us consider another example. How many women want a doctor husband for anything beyond his money? Seriously.. how many women married to, or in LTRs, with highly-paid doctors would not cheat on their affluent schlubs- given the chance? Ironically these very same women will gladly hang around, have sex with and support guys in a semi-well known pop band or group. So why aren’t women attracted to contentious ‘high IQ’ men with excellent ‘future time’ orientation? So what can’t a conscientious and high-earning dweeb not get woman hot and bothered like a barely famous (or infamous) member of a local band or DJ? Could it be that the qualities exhibited by a half-decent musician, DJ or sportsman are just vastly superior, as far as women are concerned, to those exhibited by a physician.

If any of the mental abilities (or disabilities) which ‘High IQ’ and ‘HBD-aware’ morons believe are highly desirable for human survival were truly so- Wouldn’t women be attracted to them? Were they EVER attracted to them? If not- why not? I guess it is hard to see things properly when your mental model of the world depends on fervently belief in fiction.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. knee
    December 11, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    If I can’t get my hands on some the PDF5E inhibitors by the time I go, what is your advice to get the most out of the session?

    Last longer before jacking off? Get the most out the time not only terms of sex but cuddly. sweet GF things that I need to try as a virgin and have no idea what would feel good?

    Why can you not get a prescription for PDE5 Inhibitors? You could easily make a very convincing case that your anxiety about doing it is affecting your performance.

    • knee
      December 11, 2012 at 10:25 pm

      So in other words, you’re saying I should

      make up a lie story about having a GF and not being able to get hard, go to my school’s medical center, set up an appointment telling them I have anxiety, can’t get hard + said heard about PDE5 , then see what happens from there?

      I see it as stretching the truth. Alternatively, you could tell the truth.

      If they don’t prescribe it to me, then start scheduling appointments with doctors in Boston/Cambridge? Is there information aside from my SS number maybe in terms of medical forms or other things I need to do this? This is all not mentioning the costs of the appointments and the PDE5 and another thing I’m curious about is the wait till I can actually get the drugs and if that will be by mid/end of april?

      There is a reason walk-in clinics exist.

      I don’t really understand how health care is paid for and works, but I’m assuming I am on some sort of plan connected with my parents but I somehow doubt that pays for it. So what then I hand the doctor some cash if he prescribes it to me?

      Look, from reading your replies it appears that your parents are big negatives in your life. I cannot change that..

      You’ve probably noticed there are some obvious things that adults know about that I don’t. But then again I don’t really have anyone else to ask about advice on fucking escorts in Montreal who won’t either admonish me or troll me.

      • knee
        December 11, 2012 at 10:45 pm

        >>I see it as stretching the truth. Alternatively, you could tell the truth.

        I have no qualms about lying, I just wanted to make sure that this is actually what you mean.

        >>There is a reason walk-in clinics exist.

        Should I ignore the school completely and find one of these first? Is it likely I would even be able to get it through the school’s medical center?

        >>Look, from reading your replies it appears that your parents are big negatives in your life. I cannot change that..

        It’s not that. I didn’t really phrase my question well. I just want to know how paying for the PDE5 and prescription drugs in general work. I have a debit card with some money on it and cash (more than half of the 1000 is in cash now). I seem to remember when I go to the pediatrics as a kid there are forms everywhere

        So I just want to know what do I need to bring with me when I try to get them to prescribe to me PDE5 in terms of forms, information, and how to pay for it.

      • December 12, 2012 at 2:19 am
    • webe
      December 12, 2012 at 1:26 am

      Look, can you stop this knee troll.
      I grew up in Montreal, and getting there isn’t this guy’s problem.
      When I was his age I didn’t fantasize about viagra but medicines to make the swelling go away so I could get things done. This guy is OCD, no wonder he’s already in despair about interacting with girls. He needs a shrink and some friends that will beat some sense into him.

    • December 12, 2012 at 2:17 am

      knee :
      Get the most out the time not only terms of sex but cuddly. sweet GF things that I need to try as a virgin and have no idea what would feel good?

      Instead of renting 2 different escorts, rent 1 for 2 hours? Don’t tell her you are a virgin, just that you want to take it very slowly.

  2. EvilOne
    December 11, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    *) High IQ helps the species get ahead, but not an individual.
    *) Bad boy traits help an individual but not the species.

    • webe
      December 12, 2012 at 1:34 am

      Obviously high IQ helps the species get ahead

      Actually it’s not obvious. It is perhaps true that a certain type of intelligence has lead to the blossoming of what we call civilization, but this may also be the most maladaptive behaviour possible, threatening the long-term survival of the species. And this type of intelligence may simply be an offshoot (and perhaps an evolutionary dead end branch) of skills and behaviour that really are/were necessary for human survival for thousands of years before cultivation and civilization. Perhaps this kind of intelligence is as useful in evolutionary terms as is the autist’s ability to memorize the telephone front to back and back to front.

      • webe
        December 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm

        See for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wason_selection_task
        The fact that far more people solve the problem correctly when it is framed as checking out who is cheating than when it is framed as an abstract puzzle leads to the conclusion that abstract/STEM intelligence here may be a derivative of the social intelligence necessary to survive group dynamics.

        See also http://bmi205.stanford.edu/_media/crabtree-2.pdf
        The part about the unusual pressures required for optimizing the genes that code for intelligence suggests the ability to solve problems quite different in nature than the type that are routine challenges within corporate society and civilization, even though there is a thread connecting the two.

  3. knee
    December 11, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Any general tips for the city of Montreal from your perspective as an escort user?

    Been talking to some Canadians.

    What are your experiences with getting around the city?


    Now this will be January though.

    Subway + walking is very easy but familiarize yourself with the routes through google maps etc first. You can always get an outcall escort to come to your hotel..

    • knee
      December 11, 2012 at 10:39 pm

      So a Canadian woman I talked to recommended that I take a greyhound bus to cut costs and find a shitty hotel for students, which sounds good to me.

      Considering that I am a noob, do you think for me it would be best to stick to the below?

      outcall >>> incall
      agency >> independent? (this is actually the main question I want to hear your opinion on in this post because I have started browsing the forum).

      Positions/condoms/ sex acts that would feel good for a guy who has a micro penis and has no clue what he is doing? I grabbed some ultra thin atlas ones from my fraternity and after jacking off w/ a condom I realized it feels like nothing compared to jacking off without a condom so that is a concern to me that most of the fucking will not feel like anything

      Is it worth it to look for CIM and CIM no spit no quit? I always wondered how they will stop you from coming her mouth if you want to.

  4. Grit
    December 11, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    “Why not embrace free market competition?”

    (Prediction: your gut instinct will be to hit me with pick-and-choose morality.)

    Speaking as a Catholic, I fall into mortal sin for indulging in adultery. Its bad. Murder is a mortal sin too. Its bad.

    So when i hear “free market competition” i think “eliminate morality” and i think “damn straight. Its about time we round up our baseball bats and hunt down skaterbois, tatted freaks, gangstas, etc. and punish them. Freeing adultery from judgement frees murder, violence, abortion, theft, and all other mortal sins from judgement. Our laws all come from the same moral code founded in religion. There is no such thing as lassiez faire sex and abortion- meanwhile the harshest judgement passed for manslaughter, theft, etc.

    I guarantee traditionalists get off with that image. Boondock Saints is a kickass movie. I digress.

  5. P Ray
    December 11, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    Pretty sure the prominent HBD morons disbelieve what they tell their flock.
    One thing is for sure though, a fixation on a single woman will lead to you being disappointed.
    It’s considered wrong for men to have any expectation of women, whereas women have the “right” to be picky.
    And men “want” sex so they have to pay for it.

    In rebuttal,
    Women “want” the resources a man has, so a man has a right to be picky.
    And women “want” the reliability of a draft horse which can protect and is regularly available, so they better pay in sex … or keep having to make new younger friends to bug for favours.

    Maybe that’s why women want marriage – it’s a lot less socially awkward than having to troll around for new suckers while keeping those same men unaware of their options (via relational aggression or social shaming).

  6. December 12, 2012 at 4:15 am

    Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:
    He does have a point. But I use my intelligence to bring a new religious and ideological order, in which the rules are somewhat different.

  7. Thanatos
    December 12, 2012 at 5:05 am

    “Were they EVER attracted to them? ”

    I believe they were. I think the answer to your general question lies in the culture. At one point in time, “heroes” were highly celebrated and the “ideal” for a man was to be virtuous and charitable. I think, back when most art,literature, and theater held these men up as examples and extolled their virtues, the women did in fact throw some pussy their way every once in a while.

    My theory is that women have no idea what to do or who to be until “society” gives them a nudge in the right direction.They get their information about what to like or dislike from the mindless entertainment they regularly consume,kind of like children,except a bajillion (rough estimate) times more gullible and unable to discern fiction from reality. Since the 70’s,the hero has been gradually replaced by the antihero in popular fiction,the hero dies to save the standoffish bad boy and the woman,and she fucks the asshole who’s still standing.

    Women see this and think that’s what people expect them to do,rather than realizing that idiots (‘specially these days) are trying to tell them an entertaining story that only intersects with reality in that most movies and tv are set in this dimension and universe.

    It’s pretty fucking retarded if you ask me,but look what happened after Eat,Pray,Love came out.A bunch of stupid cunts really broke up their marriages to try to live out in reality a scenario that could only occur in someone’s imagination. Same thing with Sex &The City. It’s a lot like a dude watching Apocalypse Now,putting on camo face paint,and shooting at his neighbor’s SUV from the bushes while screaming about being surrounded by “charlie”,i.e., if a man did the same thing and tried to live out a masculine fantasy existence it would be rightly recognized as destructive insanity.

  8. Jim
    December 12, 2012 at 5:54 am

    And in other news Dave Hester is suing the producers of Storage Wars for, and gosh this is a shocker, padding the lockers with valuable items making it seem like easy money for the masses. Sound familiar? Women are just as easily manipulated and like those who falsely assumed they too could be rich like the people buying storage lockers on TV but ended up rolling craps, so will many losers of the female sex.

  9. knee
    December 12, 2012 at 8:26 am

    >>You could easily get 2-3 escorts (or 2 escorts + 2 massage parlor experiences)

    massage parlor experiences <- is this, if i'm not mistaken, basically is this where you walk into a sketchy part of town, an asian girl giving you a massage followed by a handjob?

    How were your experiences with massage parlors?

    Hopefully, I can avoid this but if you were me and I get there and for escorts bait and switch happens, I guess it's too late to schedule w/ another escort so I just gotta fuck whoever showed up?

  10. December 12, 2012 at 10:43 am

    I feel media and popular culture has a lot to do with it. I don’t think we can test this hypothesis but I feel if media suddenly started glamorizing the lives of high-IQ people, how they are awesome, constantly filling pages and screen time on TVs of how their innovations are changing the world, showing pictures and videos of how everywhere they go – random young people want their autographs and shit like that – the world would perceive these people differently.

    Even more impactful would be if instead of showing how awesome the feeling of drugs is or how music is a glamorous profession to pursue – media ridicules these people to no end and the random lives they lead. My point is, I don’t feel there is anything innately attractive about a dude selling drugs.

    Two other points I feel are important – availability of lots of free time/being on a very flexible schedule and being in good physical shape. ‘High-IQ’ people get hurt on both these accounts.

  11. EvilOne
    December 12, 2012 at 11:01 am

    It stands to reason that
    a) They were attracted to them
    b) Their mating habits were highly controlled
    c) Both

    Else High IQ people would not exist.

  12. Myron Gaines
    December 12, 2012 at 11:15 am

    It’s so true!

    I’m glad I stumbled across your blog, these “High IQ” types are studying game which is flagrant plagiarism of the “Low IQ” black mans playbook.

    Something that should also be noted is that these “High IQ” types are easily led by fanciful ideals that any idiot would reject. For example: Orthodox Religion, “True Love” romance, White Knighting etc.

    The High IQ guys all bemoaning the current state of affairs. Shouting from the rooftops that “women are sluts” and taking all their money in divorces. That there should be a return to “traditional” values. These “traditional” values are promoted since his the only way a High IQ type can achieve a relationship with a woman through his given tool set is a social shaming apparatus that mate guards(“stay away from asians,blacks,hispanics!!”) for him and coercion by exclusivity of resource distribution so a woman is forced to marry him to have a decent standard of living.

    Unfortunately for the “High IQ” guys those days have long past and will not be returning. At the moment they are relegated to being security blankets for women who are tired of fucking “Low IQ” men. After they extract half of his life savings they go right back to fucking “Low IQ” men. From a purely Mathematical perspective it’s easy to tell who the smart person is in this scenario but the “High IQ” types have their standardized test to give them solace and tell them otherwise (lol)

    The funny thing about the whole predicament of High IQ types like our hypothetical example above is their ilk, their brethren, are the reason this situation even came to fruition. If they need to blame anyone for their current predicament they need to blame their fathers and grandfathers for being such pussies like them.

    All in all excellent blog it’s funny you’ve came to the conclusions that I’ve come to as well I’m in my early 20’s. It’s like seeing my thoughts in text form but stated much more eloquently.

    I realized this in my late-teens/ early-20s which is like almost 15-18 years ago, but there were no blogs then.

    • survivingincel
      December 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm

      wise words

      • P Ray
        December 13, 2012 at 4:22 pm

        Women lie about what attracts them because they know that being apparently shallow would instantly eliminate their pool of orbiters who realise they never actually had a chance with them. Not to mention the rationalisation of “she had to be happy, and the happiness could only be found with a man other women wanted” and “women need to be picky so that their children will have a better life”(what happened to for richer, for poorer?)
        It’s the nice confidence scam of “You MIGHT be a winner”*.
        *when hell freezes over

  13. Grizzly
    December 12, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    What I wonder is how many of these high IQ types actually even got their IQs tested by a reputable source? I bet many of these so called high IQ types don’t even really have high IQs. They just read Steve Sailer, and jumped to the conclusion that being white and middle class and college educated made them likely to have high IQs.

  14. TrollingPof
    December 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm
    • survivingincel
      December 13, 2012 at 1:46 pm

      agreed, occam’s razor here.

      I know a very intelligent chemical engineer I went to college with who does very well with women. I am sure its his charming personality/ social skills not his chiseled jaw and six pack abs

  15. Dillon
    December 12, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    High IQ but so bad in business. Good hearted on the whole but naive and gullible.

  16. hoipolloi
    December 12, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    How do you categorize some one like Woody Allen? Isn’t he the unltimate nerd? Does he have problem getting some pussy any time of the day?

  17. knee
    December 12, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Do you think I should avoid the school’s medical center and just go to walk-in clinics in the area?

    What do you need to bring with you to a walk-in clinic and how does paying for the drugs work?

  18. survivingincel
    December 13, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    excellent points. Death row inmates get love letters and nude pictures from women they don’t even know. Nerds from the school of engineering do not. Isaac Newton and Nikolai Tesla were both perpetually single guys, died virgins. I can’t imagine the world we live in now, had they spent their time getting drunk and have promiscuous sex instead of passionately conduct scientific research.

    I used to belong to an Engineering fraternity. Some of the brothers are quite successful with women. I am sure its their confidence and social charm, not their chiseled jaw and 6 pack abs

    • P Ray
      December 13, 2012 at 5:08 pm

      True. Joran van der Sloot and Ted Bundy had the strong chin and arrogance many women admire so much. Such dreamy jawlines, I’m sure did not go unappreciated.
      They must have had a playful attitude too, to keep those women unawares … but I’m sure that was rewarded in the end.
      Hope those women enjoyed the time they spent with them. Hope their families understand that too.
      After all, those women … made their own choices to be around such guys, and men do not owe them rescue from the consequences of their independent decisions.

      • survivingincel
        December 13, 2012 at 9:38 pm

        reading this comment made me giggle 😀

      • P Ray
        December 13, 2012 at 11:32 pm

        ^ No problem, us 90% of men gotta stick together, ’cause the 10% of top guys and damn near 100% of women don’t give us any thought until the time they want to use us. And make out that we aren’t doing enough and better be doing it for them for free and we certainly don’t deserve respect, reciprocation or recognition.
        The right reply?
        “Rules of the road, cash grass or ass, nobody rides for free”.

  19. Rik
    December 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Have you came across this new theory spawned by the “high iq” white nationalists called edenism or some shit? They are claiming that these elite “neanderthal” descended people are history’s true innovators and have shaped modern society and that they have developed autism and aspergers because they are too intelligent and evolved to handle being around all these simpletons and dealing with the uselessness of primitive social interactions. Some also believe they are star-children descended from aliens. Surprisingly, all these elites are white and all the primitives are dark skinned.

  20. Matt Strictland
    December 14, 2012 at 12:36 am

    High “IQ” without High Will is not a recipe for happiness or especially success especially in todays world. Its useful, sure but only to a limited degree since human societies offer little opportunity to use brains above a limited point. People find a social solution first, psychical second and think last .

    Even modern technology is pretty easy to use for the average and stupid.

    The two traits, “IQ” and Will combined especially with a least some mild psychopathic behavior traits well that another thing entirely. Its a cue to a very successful life.

    Perhaps for humanity its better if the combination is rare though a world full of psychopathic Nietzschean new men probably would not be very stable or a good evolutionary mix.Women would be happy as clams and men would get mad tail at least till some idiot decided to go full crazy.

    I will add too that the stuff that folks are teaching here and elsewhere if used correctly is a good thing in terms of human happiness.Those Beta guys out there will be a lot happier after the Red Pill, women will be happier and humanity safer as its a lot less likely for some super empowered jerk off to try and maybe succeeds in getting revenge on the entire human race.

    The irony being that as much as AF wants to see people suffer and be destroyed, his advice makes that less likely.

    • P Ray
      December 14, 2012 at 9:16 am

      Thank goodness psychopaths can’t bullshit math, and lack the ability to follow through on their own via hard work.
      Which is why the people most likely to be psychopaths in the corporate world …
      are managers.

      • hoipolloi
        December 14, 2012 at 9:55 am

        “Thank goodness psychopaths can’t bullshit math, and lack the ability to follow through on their own via hard work.”

        There is a solution to this. These managers are able to hire plenty of engineers and ph.d.’s who are willing to plan and execute any antihuman project the psychopath wants them to do. If locals refuse to listen and undertake the harebrain projects, they will import knowledge workers from third world or outsource. Sorry to note that lot of technically competent people are just sheeple. Psychopaths rule. The solution is as AD is trying, expose them and oppose them. Educate the masses.

      • Matt Strictland
        December 14, 2012 at 10:56 am

        Very true. However a fair number of “science” assholes have psychopathic traits. Those guys scare me a bit given the way technology is going.

  21. hoipolloi
    December 14, 2012 at 1:30 am

    G.W.Bush did not have much intelligence as in IQ. Then his supporters gave the spin that he had emotional intelligence so he can be successful. The rest is history.

  22. October 9, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Sad, but true.

  23. danielle
    June 13, 2017 at 1:43 am

    i think you are missing the point. physicans, for example, can be attractive. the point is your occupation is not an indication of whether you are or not. why do people care anyways? there are women who will be attracted to high iq types just as there are women who are attracted to low iq types because that is what they are! why would anyone think it’s something to be envied when the stupid bitch is just perpetuating what she is capable of? maybe she can’t appreciate anything else. pity her and her offspring. Looks may get you laid but it’s definitely not an indication of longevity for anything or happy relationships. Anyone who has been with someone who is attractive knows that fades fast when you aren’t compatible or you dislike who they are. They can even end up repulsive or ugly in your opinion in the end anyways but so can a physically ugly person. it’s just that ugly on top of ugly is just worse but that is also in the eye of the beholder. but it’s a person’s character and personality that will determine compatiblity for anything from pals, friendship or romance.

    there are tons of people who i don’t find attractive but others do and vice versa. beauty is in the eye of the beholder so this idea that there are just attractive vs unattractive is really misleading. even if you consider your enemes and those you detest, they also have their types and friends. even if one recognizes mentally on a detached level that another is considered attractive doesn’t even mean you are anyways because they may not be your “type” or what you personally like. I can look at GQ models and not feel a thing or feel attracted. Some women think fabio is the creme de la creme and an ultimate bad boy, alpha male fantasy. I think he’s ugly and mock worthy. People’s perceptions and tastes differ so there is no need for anyone to feel they are objectively in any particular category when it comes to subjective such as attraction and attractiiveness.

    • September 12, 2017 at 7:06 am

      “Looks may get you laid but it’s definitely not an indication of longevity for anything or happy relationships.”
      “Getting laid”, not long-term relationships or life-partnering, however, is the concern of AD’s question.

      I’m a 61-yr-old male who’s been married for 37 years to my first-and-only-wife, so I know something about the compatibility required beyond “looks” for successful life-partnering.
      For the past two decades, my wife and I have been swingers/open-marrieds, so I also know something about the importance of “looks” for “getting laid”.

      Although age 61, I still have chiseled abs due to forty-five years of dedicated (NON-steroids) bodybuilding — and it’s obvious that how my body looks serves me well to attract extramarital sex partners, the ladies typically volunteering that it’s my body which attracted them. It’s not my wallet — I literally state at the outset that i will spend zero money on them for anything and that they will always pay for any motels, dinners, travel expenses. And, they do pay.

      So, agreed, successful long-term partnering involves complicated and layered compatibilities. But short-term mating is primarily about looks; and, while physical beauty is definitely in the eyes of the beholder, meaning women vary in whom they find physically attractive, there is a definite range of looks within which most women find men sexually attractive.

      Nope, it’s not women’s choice to be wired this way about which looks attract them sexually. But women (not absolutely all — you seem one of the exceptions), even granting they’re sincere, deceive both themselves and, to the point here, men, when they insist “a guy’s looks are not the most important thing” or similarly. For long-term partnering, that’s true. But as far as a woman finding a guy sexually attractive, that’s false. For the sake of other long-term compatibilities, a woman might settle for a guy for whom she feels little or even no sexual attraction, but she is deceiving him if she lets him believe his looks don’t matter to her. She may be choosing to be monogamous with him, but her wiring instincts make her wet for a guy with “looks” other than his.

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