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The Link Between Drug Use and Suicidal Tendencies: An Alternative Explanation

It is common knowledge that artists, actors, singers and comedians are much more likely to die through some combination of drug use and suicide than ‘normal’ people. But why is that so? These creative types also have a higher incidence of mental ‘illness’ especially depression and mania. But why? Is there something about being creative that makes them more susceptible to mental illness and drug abuse or are un-‘normal’ states of mind necessary for being creative? The conventional explanations put forth by charlatans.. I mean ‘experts’.. range from denying that this phenomena is true using creative statistical fraud to acknowledging the link but talking about treating these ‘diseases’ and helping them become ‘normal’ again.

But what is ‘normal’ and why would anyone aspire to be ‘normal’ if their self-image, desires and lives are built around being un-‘normal’?

One of the distinguishing characteristics of being creative is the ability to perceive, think up or do something that is beyond the mental abilities of most people. I am not implying that ‘normal’ people are any worse than creative-types at doing arithmetic, making grocery shopping lists, cooking food, having vanilla sex, working in an office or even playing musical instruments. But ‘normal’ people are dismal at seeing, thinking or doing things that go beyond their very and rigid mental and social models of the world around them.

There are tons of Asian kids who can play some piece of western classical music on the violin, piano or cello- but how many can play an electric guitar like Jimi Hendrix. Artists such as Pablo Picasso or Salvador Dali might have very unconventional personal lives, but they were also vastly more creative than all the Asian artist workers who can make very good copies of famous artworks. We are also unlikely to see an Asian version of Mozart, Schubert or Beethoven or their more contemporary versions. There are tons of famous Jewish and Black stand-up comics, but hardly any Asian ones. Why? and what does this have to do with high rates of drug use, mental illness and suicide among those who are creative?

All forms of creativity require you to step outside of your normal comfort zones- both personal and social. However doing that requires you to think and perceive the world in ways that is contrary to what society expects out of you or tries to tell you. You have to also question whether what you were taught to believe in or whether the ‘norm’ is even right, worthwhile or desirable. People without a strong sense of self (aka conformists) don’t or cannot and would rather be ‘pretend happy’ automatons pumping out more automatons. While some of them can recognize the dystopic nature of their existence they either ignore it, suppress it or perform a half-hearted and token rebellion to feel better.

The truly creative ones, on the other hand, go beyond half-hearted attempts to think differently and assert themselves. They are willing to take paths that few dare follow or which frequently do not even exist at that moment. Whether they are successful in their endeavors, or not, is another issue that we will come to shortly. However the very willingness to go against conventional social beliefs and mores in one area often makes them question the validity of ‘conventional wisdom’ in other areas.

Furthermore, thinking about human behaviors, attitudes, beliefs, relationships and society from a somewhat detached perspective cannot but make you angry, depressed, cynical and nihilistic.

If you don’t believe me, ask yourself- What is good about schools or universities? Do people really learn anything worthwhile in them? Do they enjoy their time- especially in school? Isn’t that odd that children like to learn new things all the time but hate school. What about conventional dating? Is it worth the time, expense and effort? What about marriage? Is there a more expensive and fucked up way to get ‘free’ sex. What about jobs? Do you like working your ass off for someone who looks down upon you and will steal from and betray you at the first chance to do so. What about the socio-economic paradigms we live in? What is natural about a society where most people live a precarious existence to enrich those who have more than they could possibly spend in the rest of pathetic lives? What about the myriad laws and regulations which pretend to enforce fairness, but achieve the opposite- which is their real purpose anyway. I could go on.. but you get my point.

There is nothing natural, rational or desirable about a ‘normal’ life.

I see the high rates of recreational drug use by creative types as a way to help them function somewhat normally after realizing the truth about what most people, societies and humanity are in reality. Drug use by creative types is really a form of self-medication that allows them to escape or tolerate the mediocre, stunted and frequently bizarre nature of ‘normal-ness’. Drug use also allows people to make themselves feel better than they could in ‘real’ life. The experience of drug use, if anything, consolidates their views that ‘real’ and ‘normal’ life is shitty, boring, highly dysfunctional and meaninglessness.

I believe that a significant number of creative types, especially those who have achieved some success, realize that ‘normal’ life is actually worse than death.

Would you re-enter the matrix even if you could, especially if you left if because it was intolerable in the first place? Would you like to be an average pussy-whipped white guy moving his lawn and slaving away for his ugly and ungrateful wife who is trying her best to make the rest of his life as miserable as possible? Do you want to work around one set of mediocre weasels at work and hang out with another set in your sad ‘social’ life? Do you want to spend your life slaving away for something that you will almost certainly be yanked away at the last moment? Do you want to keep on pretending that you are ‘normal’ and a team-player when you despise every moment of it?

On another note, why are the most creative minds often described as weird, odd or mentally ill? What does that say about the society which curiously (and often later) celebrates them as the paragons of human intellectual achievement? and how come people with actual mental retardation, brain injury or damage almost never end up as famous creative types? Odd isn’t it?

What do you think? Comments?

  1. February 18, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Very interesting article,
    once you see the matrix for what it is, it is damned near impossible to succumb to the mediocrity of being “normal”. It seems like most people choose to believe in feel-good illusions over swallowing the bitter truth of reality.


    Expressing your creativity is one of the only ways to remain sane in an insane world.


  2. February 18, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    I consider myself a “creative” type and I’ve also indulged in the archetypal bad habits of creative people (obviously, not the suicide part, however).

    I think many creative people possess an elevated level of sensory perception. Creativity is an ability to tap into our environment and manipulate it into an unfamiliar form of our own choosing. This sharpness of perception can result in “sensory overload” and many forms of drug abuse actually numb the sensory input, thus making existence tolerable, at least in the short term.

  3. kneehowguys
    February 18, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Tell us about your experiences and specific attempts at coping with depression and how you’re doing now. You mentioned you were on antidepressants at one point.

    The erection of a man on anti-depressants … yeah, a fade away. A FADE AWAY

    The best antidepressants for what you want them for are Bupropion and Methylphenidate, though the second one is not generally perceived as an anti-depressant. As usual, the lowest dose that gives you the desired therapeutic effect is the best.

    Avoid SSRIs and SNRIs.

    • kneehowguys
      February 19, 2013 at 1:38 pm

      >>The best antidepressants for what you want them for

      1. This statement is interesting to me. What do you mean by “for what you want them for?” That others have nasty side effects?

      2. It’s interesting hearing about your knowledge of pharmaceuticals. I’m studying chemical engineering and I do know some chemE majors who go into pharmaceuticals. Tell me about your experiences with the industry and your thoughts on whether you would go into it if you were studying chemE.

    • EvilOne
      February 19, 2013 at 6:22 pm

      Tried Lithium Orotate?

  4. February 18, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Great post….

    I read a study somewhere that depressed people actually had a better grip on reality….

    as far as drugs, different drugs have different effects-alcohol a depressant, can lower inhibitions-that’s why rapists, err PUA’s love it so much. (I jest, I jest, Roosh is a great guy, well maybe not.) But over long term heavy drinking can leave one in a very low emotional state, lowering energy and health. Can temporarily dull emotional and physical pain but can be a dangerous crutch. Seems to interfer with sleep patterns…

    Marijuana-technically a psychedelic, visual hallucinations are rare (at least for me,) one may feel a greater “connection” to music and you might feel like a conversation is “deep.” Different grades can have different effects…ie some make you laugh and feel very sociable, some can make you “overthink,” some can make you paranoid. (Least favorite effect is the experiences have been “inconsistent.”) My favorite way to use is by eating as this will give a “body high.” Tends to be more fun and less cerebral than smoking. (And I dislike smoking.) Can dull physical and emotional pain, I believe it to be far safer than alcohol when used for this purpose. Often wake up the next day feeling very well rested unlike alcohol. It can make you feel like you’ve lost your edge–while I think this should be legally available to much of the population, I don’t think it is unreasonable to disallow airline pilots or truckers use of this. However, people doing boring/tedious work may not suffer any loss of productivity. Heavy users often have problems with motivation.

    Psylocibin, commonly known as ‘shrooms. Mt favorite drug of all time. Intense, can change your whole outlook on life. Causes visual and auditory hallucinations. Obviously not safe to drive while using, while a trip usually lasts 6 or so hours, best to avoid driving all day if possible. Prefer to use outdoors as I can feel clausterphobic indoors. Open spaces such as beach, dessert or mountains preffered. Have experienced paranoia when used among crowds of people, also felt “auras” around people and some seemed extremely negative, hateful or whatnot. Still unsure as to whether I gained “true insight” into their character or was just a figment of my imagination. Was coherent enough to go to a restaraunt and order food on most occasions. Also noticed difficulty focusing, would find it difficult at times to use a cellphone. Can feel like experience is winding down, then starts back up again. Would recommend doing alone or only with very trusted friends, most “manosphere” types seem to have a bullying streak and would be best avoided while in this sensitive state. Also, avoid law enforcement. Realize that this altered state, ie starring at the sky, wide grin will be strange to most. Moments where I would laugh uncontrollably. Mostly enjoyed the trips. Sometimes feel scattered afterwords. Never experienced physical problems such as vomitting though I’ve heard some people do. Not the type of drug one tends to do regularly–also hard to come by. Can cause you to question all of your beliefs. The greatest gift it gave me was that my perception wasn’t something “fixed in stone.” Helped greatly with anxiety and depression. I believe it is illegal because widespread use would cause massive changes in society.

    anyways, I’ve got more to say on this post….


    Ever tried DMT?

    • Webe
      February 20, 2013 at 5:57 am

      >Better grip on reality.
      I remember reading a study on brain-washing (situations such as policital prisoners, sessions with a psychiatrist, etc). Most resistant to brain-washing are psychotic people, then the introverts. Least resistant are happy go lucky well-adjusted extraverts. Just like propaganda: Least resistant are intellectuals; most resistant are ignorant farmers.

      >boring/tedious work may not suffer any loss of productivity
      In some countries labourers take their water pipe to work (like India), for grueling days on road gangs or the boatmen on Dal lake in Srinangar. Takes the edge off the monoty, dulls discomforts, just a way to get though the day.

  5. February 19, 2013 at 1:06 am

    No, Diablo, I haven’t tried DMT.

    Does your job allow you access to it?

    I’d really like to try peyote.

    My personal experience with psychadelics is it is better to underdose and be like “that’s it?” and try to enjoy it than do too much and freak out.

    Interestingly enough, my most intense hallucination occurred when I had a high fever. I perceived myself as being a pure form of energy moving at unbelievable speeds. I’ve had nightmares where I had a deformed body, even a non human body but never a “bodyless” experience-if that makes sense. Perhaps I was percieving electrical impulses within my spine but the thing about the experience was that I wasn’t even remotely human. When I awoke, I could see morning light. I didn’t hear sound and even though I could see, I wasn’t “concious”-that is I didn’t know that I had a name or that I was a human. I was a blank slate. I felt thirst. Then, things raced back as I went for a glass of water. That was the closest to a “transcendental” experience I’ve ever had…..

  6. kneehowguys
    February 19, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Don’t suppose it would be nice to live in east Canada for pooning? Trying to figure out how to make it happen.

    How much time and money it would save you if you lived in Montreal or Toronto?

    I guess you haven’t thought about other Canadian cities for escorts aside from Montreal?

    • February 19, 2013 at 4:02 pm

      Amsterdam, man….

      you might get distracted and go to the smart shops and coffee houses and not get laid, that’s what would prolly happen to me….

      • Webe
        February 20, 2013 at 5:51 am

        Yeah. Amsterdam.
        No problems with legality, helps the supply/demand curve. Lots of pussy advertised for €80-€120/hour. Good looking. Kinky. GFE. etc. Going through real escort services will be about the same price as in Canada. Red-light district €30-€50, more for a full hour. Some are hot & friendly, others will be more stingy with friendliness & services.

  7. EvilOne
    February 19, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Montreal – $180 per hour
    Toronto – $250 per hour

    Question is – can you speak french?
    No? T.O then.

  8. February 19, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    on a different note–and, shit, how come I’m the only guy who actually talked about drugs….

    this might make you laugh…


  9. hoipolloi
    February 20, 2013 at 2:26 am

    Is it possible that those creative types make way too much money in today’s mass media culture? Some one has already said the following: When you are a heavy drug user means, it is god’s way of saying you are making way too much money. If you make a big amount of money like a million or two per year for your talents, you will have some fiscal and personal discipline. But If you make that kind of money per month, per week, per day or in somecases per hour of work, it is easy to lose control of your senses. What follows is anyones guess.

  10. Webe
    February 20, 2013 at 5:40 am

    My comment (Jan 24) Toxic Societies Will Always Shrink, Shrivel and Die Out below. Germane to this line of thought, but sans the drugs/suicide.

    On a related note, I have always been intrigued at the number of “promising” young people whose development suddenly stops dead in a flux of alienation and disorientation that never really abates. They are incapable of continuing their fortuitous progress and simply abandon the “game”, running out of real inspiration or motivation, feeling they have to manufacture motivation. I’ve always felt there is some ineffable contamination by the inert culture they discover themselves inhabiting.

  11. Johan
    February 24, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Webe :
    Yeah. Amsterdam.
    No problems with legality, helps the supply/demand curve. Lots of pussy advertised for €80-€120/hour. Good looking. Kinky. GFE. etc. Going through real escort services will be about the same price as in Canada. Red-light district €30-€50, more for a full hour. Some are hot & friendly, others will be more stingy with friendliness & services.

    im dutch and in den haag,alkmaar,almere,haarlem sex is only 25 euro per bang suck and fuck.

    weed is about 15 euro per ounce.i live off of only 300 bucks a month after expences,and i bang and smoke and im happy.amsterdam is THE place to ghost.

  12. Johan
    February 24, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Webe :
    Yeah. Amsterdam.
    No problems with legality, helps the supply/demand curve. Lots of pussy advertised for €80-€120/hour. Good looking. Kinky. GFE. etc. Going through real escort services will be about the same price as in Canada. Red-light district €30-€50, more for a full hour. Some are hot & friendly, others will be more stingy with friendliness & services.

    amsterdam is overhyped.the hookers are 50 per suck and fuck and though they are all 8s,they have bitchy attitudes in the main tourist streets.

    the best places are by far the second-tier cities,both weed and hookers are much cheaper,and you can actually get real dutch girls instead of eastern europeans.

    not to mention amsterdam overral is a snobby,cold,depressive and ugly place in general.

    youll also have more value a an american if your looking for pooning at clubs or something outside amsterdam.

    and the people outside amsterdam are down right friendly.

  13. March 28, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    I believe that a significant number of creative types, especially those who have achieved some success, realize that ‘normal’ life is actually worse than death.

    True, dark and severely unpleasant, yet pleasant to understand and finalize. But not only creative types know this, but pragmatic thinking types know this as well.

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