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On the Peculiarity of Human Reverence for People, Groups and Ideologies

Growing up, I was always a bit different.. OK.. a lot different. Most of it came down to how I perceived, or mentally modeled, the world around me. This alternate model the world in turn affected how I saw the actions and behaviors of other people around me.

Case in point- As a child, I was unable to understand why most people had such strong, yet almost always unreciprocated, obsessions about celebrities. I also found it odd that most people were so enthusiastic about belonging to groups or institutions that either did not care about them or cynically used them as slaves or worse. Similarly the ability of ideologies (religious and secular) to repeatedly attract millions or billions of faithful followers without delivering on their promises in an objectively verifiable manner made me question the ability of most people to think rationally.

In contrast to that, I never cared much about what people who were not helpful to me thought about me. I was also unable to obsess about the lives of sport-stars, musicians, actors or other “famous” people. I never felt the need to ‘truly’ belong to any groups or institutions. I just could not commit myself to any cause or ideology. That is not to say I was ignorant or oblivious of the world around me. I was very well-informed about what others thought about me and had a better understanding of current affairs, trivia and ideologies than pretty much anyone around me. Nor was I oblivious to the supposed benefits of group or institutional membership.

Yet I was unable to care about any of that stuff beyond the level necessary to be appear normal.

Some might see this as lack of drive, motivation, positive-thinking or any of the other fairy tales most people keep telling themselves. I, however, saw things differently. From my viewpoint, people who exhibited “mainstream” behavior were the real suckers and morons. But how did I come to this conclusion? and why did I reach it at a much younger age than most who eventually get there?

Well.. It comes to careful observations.

I realized early on, by looking at the lives of people around me, that being kind and helpful to people was almost never rewarded- especially on a quid-pro-quo basis. Now one can certainly extend this observation and decide to become ‘extra’ evil and manipulative, but maintaining minimal and very conditional connections to others is a far more effective and practical response to living in a generally unreciprocative world. Face it.. we live in societies where even ‘close’ relatives and friends are unlikely to help you in any substantial way. So what is the point of caring about, assisting or even spending time with them? Do you really think people spend all that time on FB, Twitter or watching TV because they are somehow magically addictive?

I simply understood this fact much earlier than most. It also helps to be born in an age where technology finally made it possible to reduce personal contact with useless or malevolent people without becoming too lonely.

Then there is the issue of how most people spend lots of time following the lives of “celebrities” or trying to somehow get into their inner circles. Even as a child, I could never understand why so many people worshiped movie stars or sportsmen. What is the point of caring so much about people you will almost never meet, let alone reciprocate it? But where does one draw the line between enjoying the performance of an actor or musician and going into the hero-worship or obsession mode? In my opinion, something like say.. trying to find more information or material by some performer on IMDB or YouTube, is about personal entertainment. However buying a product or service because some celebrity endorsed it or wearing a jersey to express support for some sports team clearly crosses the line into unrequited hero-worship.

My cynicism about group and institutional membership was also based on what I saw as a child. It was obvious to me, even then, that most members of groups or institutions never benefited from their commitment, effort or sacrifices for the “greater good” of those groups or institutions. In almost every single case, a small percentage of people at the top of those groupings took away almost all of the gains obtained through the hard work and sacrifices of their rank-and-file members. We can see this dynamic all around us in groups and institutions as diverse as non-profit organisations, small businesses, large corporations and universities to the armed forces of modern nation states. I would go so far as to say that the “normal” mode of operation for pretty much every single type human grouping or institution is identical to a ponzi scheme.

Let us now move on to the topic of religions, ideologies and other belief system. Once again, I was never able to understand how anybody could believe in something as ridiculous as a god that cared about human beings. I mean.. look around you. Do you see any evidence of a trans-human entity or entities that gives a damn about human, animal or any other kind of suffering or pain? Does believing in god improve the materiel quality of your life? Does it feed the hungry? Does it cure the sick? Does it make you a “better” human being? Does it address or correct obvious injustice? I could go on.. but you get the point- belief in god or gods does not achieve anything for true believers. It can however provide a cushy livelihood for priests and provide a justification for looting those who believe in other invisible sky-dudes or dudettes.

Secular religions, such as capitalism, provide another and more modern example of this phenomena. Why are those who slave for, yet never benefit from, capitalism its most ardent and vocal supporters? Why are people getting ass-fucked by the invisible hand of the “free market” often its biggest cheerleaders? Why are all those white knights who support feminism and defend the honor of women not getting laid? Conversely, why are those who support a return to traditional masculine values so eager for female approval, even if comes from a chubby and mentally unstable groupie?

So.. did you notice a common theme running through all of the examples mentioned in this post?

OK.. let me spell it out. In every single example, the majority of people seem to enthusiastically keep on doing something they “know” will benefit them- inspite of a wealth of evidence and repeated reminders that it won’t or is incapable of doing so. So what drives the majority to people to keep on doing something that does not work or cannot deliver on its promise? Are they all suffering from permanent brain damage? Or is something else behind this odd pattern of behavior?

I believe that the answer to this apparent paradox lies in understanding the nature of loyalty and its linkage to the human urge to hurt others even when doing so is not profitable.

I shall explore this issue in an upcoming post.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. Marcus666
    December 1, 2013 at 3:01 am

    I think this goes again back to the prehistory. If you didn’t worship the one above you, he could kill you. If nobody adores the leader the tribe would die out. To protect our own ego from being hurt we justify this, because, maybe one day YOU could become the leader.. It’s proving to the leader that he can trust you. Remember that even the most evil mass murderers in history could not admit they were bad people. If you adore high status people you might have a chance to mate with one of their females, Climb the hierarchy and become a leader yourself.
    If you are now not a part of a group, in the first crisis you will be killed, like you write here:
    >>”Yet I was unable to care about any of that stuff beyond the level necessary to be appear normal.”
    Even you do everything to appear normal. It’s your basic instinct.

    There is a huge and fundamental difference between faking some semblance of “normality” and enthusiastically digging your own grave.

  2. sth_txs
    December 1, 2013 at 6:43 am

    “Secular religions, such as capitalism, provide another and more modern example of this phenomena. Why are those who slave for, yet never benefit from, capitalism its most ardent and vocal supporters? Why are people getting ass-fucked by the invisible hand of the “free market” often its biggest cheerleaders?”

    Funny that you refuse to throw in socialism and big government into that comment. Your idealogical bias is showing.
    —-

    Because socialism and even semi-properly run big government actually benefits the average person!

    Secular religions, like socialism, provide another modern example of this phenomena. Why are those who slave for, yet never benefit from, socialism its most ardent supporters? Why are people getting ass-fucked by the allegedly benevolent hand of government often its biggest cheerleaders?

    —-

    Once again, because socialism and even semi-properly run big government actually benefits the average person!

    For the record, I favor very small government since I’m being ass raped by taxes in these sense of paying more in tax than I do for shelter. I’m under no illusion that a corporate CEO cares about me anymore than a politician does, but at least the CEO does not pretend to care for my benefit.

    • The Plague Doctor
      December 1, 2013 at 9:11 pm

      We can also benefit the poor person, by slaughtering and removing the inner organs of socialists and Keynesians and giving them to the poor person as food. I believe that this would also solve the world hunger problem.

      • JACKOFF
        December 2, 2013 at 1:13 am

        I see your biased youtube video full of sound bites and I raise you mine.

        36:00

    • The Plague Doctor
      December 4, 2013 at 11:06 pm

      JACKOFF :
      I see your biased youtube video full of sound bites and I raise you mine.
      36:00

      I am not sure why you think my video is biased: (1) it presents both sides of the argument, while your video presents only one side; (2) it does so without adding commentary or interpretation, while your video has an ominous narrating voice; (3) it was made by an amateur, while your video was made by the BBC, which is government-subsidized — a clear conflict of interest; (4) it sicks to factual discussions, while your video plays on emotions by showing crying little old ladies; (5) it represents a representative sample of positions of the Austrian and the Keynesian School (Austrians have been correctly predicting a housing crash during 2001-2005 ( wiki . mises . org/wiki/Austrian_predictions/Housing_bubble ) — a minority position, during which time the Keynesians had been denying or even encouraging a housing crash), while your video cherry-picks an unsuccessful example of privatization while ignoring successful examples.

      Anyway, I am surprised the BBC is defending the Soviet Union whose population had same living standards like 19th century factory workers. The two most salient points the fragment @ 36:00 of your video (which has now been censored) leaves out:
      (1) Privatization is not the same as liberalization. Privatization just means that government sells some of its assets to make some money. But the companies sold were unable to be profitable in an unfree economy without being subsidized, and their value subsequently collapsed, leaving their shareholders penniless. Liberalization means making the economy more free. Soviet Russia did not go from an unfree economy to a free economy, it went from an unfree economy to a slightly less unfree economy. In 1995, Russia was still ranked an F– for a score of 3.5 out of 10 on the Economic Freedom of the World Index, in 105th place out of 115 countries (making it the one of the least free countries in the world). Privatization without liberalization doesn’t work, and is what gives liberalization a bad name.
      (2) During Yeltsin’s reign there was a hyperinflation rate of between 200 to 2000 percent per year (!!!), which wiped the value of savings (especially of retired pensioners, and those saving for retirement). Free markets do not have a central bank, don’t have systematic inflation, let alone hyperinflation. Here is another example of what hyperinflation does to a country ( www . bloomberg . com/news/2013-11-20/ghost-of-chavez-can-t-stop-hyperinflation.html ). Of course the politicians as usual misdiagnose the problem and blame the ‘evil corporations’ for ‘price gouging’.)

  3. P Ray
    December 2, 2013 at 12:15 am

    One of the biggest reasons “most people” participate in these displays of normalcy, is because they want to avoid being singled out for persecution.
    In other words, your “group affiliation” is the “a social tax extorted out of you, to avoid social ostracisation”.
    However, if someone “above” you in the same hierarchy does an injustice against you, you are expected to be quiet and not resist – as resisting will result in being socially blackballed.

    Most women know this, which is why very few women strive for justice and much prefer using social pressure to get their way. E.g. some women couchsurf for the sole purpose of getting men to host them – with 0 payback towards the men, other than “be glad I don’t call you a rapist on that site”.
    As another example, the “fat acceptance” movement only shows women, and none of those women are supermodels either.

  4. The Plague Doctor
    December 2, 2013 at 6:53 am

    Diaboli comes from a long line of government bureaucrats (Brahmins), so the SHITcialism is embedded in his DNA, and unfortunately will never be convinved. However, for the benefit of the open-minded reader:

    Worldwide there is a strong negative correlation between goVEMRINt spending and real GDP growth (see studies by Andreas Bergh and Magnus Henkerson), and the extent of said goVERMINt spending explains about half of the statistical variance in GDP growth: For every 10 percentage points increase in government spending as a percentage of GDP, the real GDP growth decreases on average by 1 percentage point. So with government spending at 0% of GDP the worldwide expected real GDP growth is 7% per year, and with government spending at 70% of GDP, the expected real GDP growth is 0% per year. Now, the reader might wonder why one should care about a few percent differences; surely a few percent can’t be so important, but the crucial imporance lies in compound growth:

    *** With government spending at about 50% of GDP, which is typical for most western CUNTries, the real GDP growth would be 7 – 0.1*50 = 2% per year, which after a hundred years would be
    1.02 x 1.02 x . . . = 1.02^100 = 7.24464611825
    So the population would be about seven times as wealthy (seven times as much production) after a hundred years.
    *** With government spending at 0% of GDP, the real GDP growth would be 7% per year, which after a hundred years the GDP would be
    1.07 x 1.07 x . . . = 1.07^100 = 867.716325566 times as high!!!
    Also note that this refers to real GDP growth, that is, growth adjusted for price inflation. In the absense of a central bank there would be no price inflation (just like the US in the 19th century), and we would be even much more wealthy than the calculation above indicates!
    So, after a century of zero government, the world would be over a THOUSAND TIMES as wealthy as today!!! This means a thousand times more houses, a thousand times more cars, a thousand times more food, a thousand times more clothes, a thousand times more vacations, a thousand times more electronics, a thousand times more entertainment, and so on. Or, alternatively, one could have the same production as we have now, while reducing the workweek to almost zero hours!

    In conclusion, in a hundred years of zero government there would be literally unimaginable wealth and even the poor could live the lifestyle of billionaires. SHITcialist and CONmmienists are causing the very problems that they are pretending to solve. I believe it is fully justifiable to impose Chinese Water Torture with sulfuric acid on them, for the crime of impoverishing me and the rest of society and literally denying me my billionaire lifestyle.

    In other news, the US dollar and the US bond market is going to implode in about 2014-2016 due to inflation and a sovereign debt crisis, and the Keynesians responsible will be hunted down like rabid dogs and guillotined in the streets. Just a friendly warning: Diaboli likes to rag on gold, but unless he has at least a part of his wealth in commodities or foreign stocks, he will soon be royally fucked.

  5. sth_txs
    December 7, 2013 at 6:09 am

    “Once again, because socialism and even semi-properly run big government actually benefits the average person!”

    Riiiiggghhhtttt! I would like to know where this ‘semi properly’ run big government is actually benefiting the average person? Spain where the people were looting grocery stores to eat earlier this year? France? Netherlands (lower bond rating recently)? The goodies can’t continue forever.

    And no, I’m not defending the ass hats here in Amerika. We don’t have the capitalism of the 19th century. Every problem we are having and will be having will be because of too much government and too much rent seeking by corporate behemoths in the defense industry, banking, and others.

  6. December 8, 2013 at 9:31 am

    I had the very same problem as a child.

    I wondered for years why people were so susceptible to worshiping those who will never give back.
    I came to reason that since people are evolved for group sizes of about the ‘dunbar number’ of 150 members, their impulses would have been adaptive on that smaller scale. Trying to get close to that person with high status would have been a very good idea.

    Mass societies are orders of magnitude more complex and the rulers are Dunbar Hackers who can hack and reprogram the tribal instincts of the masses.

    Old behaviors have become maladaptive as people waste their energies on celebrities, “movements”, nations, and corporations like birds flying into windows or a moths into the flames.
    Already, people who are susceptible to being turned into loyal career workers are effectively neutered to below replacement.
    A few religions are perhaps the last remaining adaptive mass social organizations.
    Ever increasing complexity may begin to select for aberrations who can think for themselves enough to avoid loyalty to mass organizations that cannot reciprocate.

    If the burden of parasitism on the populace grows too heavy, resistant strains will take over.

    The overwhelming response of critics here is illustrative. One mention of the s-word, socialism and they fly into fits.

    You didn’t endorse socialism as some great ideology. You just pointed out it actually tends to benefit ordinary people.
    They rant about about Europe, but the fact is that much of Europe is considerably ahead of the US now in standard of living and quality of life for the ordinary person.
    They rant about the Soviet Union too, not understanding the difference between autocratic communism and the endless shades of grey that get called ‘socialism.’

    The US developed as a zero sum culture because there was always a frontier where the losers could flee to.
    Now there hasn’t been for some time and with each passing year, the problems from failing to deal constructively with the ‘losers’ of society mounts. (And no, throwing, every last one of them in prisons doesn’t count)
    It’s time for the US to grow up.

    The same people who tear their hair out over anyone being able to get free medical care would never want privatized police departments where you have to pay to get someone to care about that murder or that burglar who’s breaking in right now.

    They scream and moan about ghetto people being able to see doctors, yet they would also cry and gnash their teeth if ambulances refused to come to their rescue if they didn’t have the dough.

    This is a great example of your point, Advocatus. These people ardently support a reckless ‘ideology’ of all against all that hurts everyone including themselves trying to please a mass master.

    • The Plague Doctor
      December 8, 2013 at 5:59 pm

      The overwhelming response of critics here is illustrative. One mention of the s-word, socialism and they fly into fits.

      One mention??? Fits? Advocatus has many posts and editorial comments calling for all libertarians to be exterminated. I thought it was finally time to register a DISSENTing position.

      You didn’t endorse socialism as some great ideology. You just pointed out it actually tends to benefit ordinary people.

      Bold statement without supporting argumentation. I will note that you did not refute my enormously important statistic: Without any government spending and without inflation (say 3%) the expected real GDP growth would be 10% per year, and society would be more than ten thousand times richer!!! Also inform yourself about the huge negative correlation between log GDP per capita and the Gini coefficient (index of income inequality).
      This can be explained as follows. Income converges to the marginal productivity of labor. Suppose the employers own no production goods (capital), and one person A can, say, spin twice as much threads, weave twice as much textile, and create twice as much clothes in the same time, than person B. Then person A would earn twice as high hourly wages than person B. Thus under zero-capital conditions, income difference are dominated by personal differences such as physical strength, speed, dexterity, stamina, intelligence and knowledge. The more production goods (capital goods) are accumulated by society, the more capital-intensive the production process becomes. In capital-intensive jobs the productivity of labor is dominated by the contribution of capital. But capital (such as machines, robots, tools, computer software/hardware) is usually standardized and has less variability. Continuing the previous example, when machinery and automation is used to produce threads, textile, and clothes from an assembly line, and barely any labor is required, then person A would have roughly the same productivity as person B in administering the machines. In a fully mechanized and automated society, almost everyone would earn the same wage! Capital also increased the marginal productivity of labor and hence GDP. Increasing the stock of capital goods is the only way for society to become wealthier in the long run. Thus income inequality tends to level out with greater GDP, and as stated above, GDP growth is mostly determined by government spending and inflation, both of which reduce saving, investment, profits, and capital accumulation.

      The other important cause of inequality is the central bank, which strangely I never head the duplicitous liars concerned about income inequality mention.
      www . mises . org/daily/6604/The-State-Causes-the-Poverty-It-Later-Claims-to-Solve

      They rant about about Europe, but the fact is that much of Europe is considerably ahead of the US now in standard of living and quality of life for the ordinary person.

      Apparently you have not been paying attention to the debt crisis in entire southern Europe and the Great Depression-like unemployment rates (soon coming to a country near you)! I predict that in one or two decades the euro will be abolished, and several countries will secede from the EU (starting with the UK).
      You also don’t mention:
      – the US government has an equally high or higher total tax burden and spending level than most European countries.
      – the US government has the world’s second highest corporate tax rates.
      – the US government has a higher spending on healthcare per capita then any European country (by far).
      – The Fed is creating one trillion dollars of monetary inflation per year, a much greater rate than European Central Bank.
      – the US has a much greater public debt.
      So it is unfair to claim the Europe is much more socialist than the US.

      They rant about the Soviet Union too, not understanding the difference between autocratic communism and the endless shades of grey that get called ‘socialism.’

      Yes, speaking of resistant strains, we are well aware that socialism continues mutating and assuming differerent names and guises; it’s like a turd that just won’t flush! The endless shades of ghey are like the endless shades of ghey between getting murdered and getting raped.

      The same people who tear their hair out over anyone being able to get free medical care would never want privatized police departments where you have to pay to get someone to care about that murder or that burglar who’s breaking in right now.

      Umm… Yes I would: it’s called anarchocapitalism. Educate yourself here:
      en . wikipedia . org/wiki/Anarchocapitalism
      Actually, one of my relatives was murdered, and I had rather had the murderer was acquitted, because (1) he received such a low sentence in the justice system, he might as well has received zero years! and (2) his stay in prison was paid for by my family’s tax dollars! In fact, I am opposed to all prisons and prison sentences: they help neither the victim, nor the criminal, nor the rest of society. I am only in favor of fines and the death penalty, with nothing in between.
      Speaking of murder, we are more likely to be murdered by our own governments than by a private citizen, so it is insanity to entrust one’ life to them. See also: the history of the 20th century:

      As for the burglar, it is cheaper to (and I would prefer to) be robbed of one’s wallet every day of one’s life, than to pay the government half one’s income to protect oneself from theft (that is the definition of insanity).

      They scream and moan about ghetto people being able to see doctors, yet they would also cry and gnash their teeth if ambulances refused to come to their rescue if they didn’t have the dough.

      Actually, I wouldn’t care if every single docTURD on the face of the Earth were to overdose on his/her own medicine. I’ve probable seen two dozen docTURDs in the course of my life and they all stink! Ignoring child mortality, life expectancy was higher in Victorian England than it is today!
      www . ncbi . nlm . nih . gov/pmc/articles/PMC2672390/

      This is a great example of your point, Advocatus. These people ardently support a reckless ‘ideology’ of all against all that hurts everyone including themselves trying to please a mass master.

      More bold statements without supporting argumentation. I suggest you starting educating yourself at www . mises . org.

      • The Plague Doctor
        December 8, 2013 at 6:15 pm

        Whoops, I accidentally swapped the two videos.

        Also, I forgot to mention, another cause of of income inequality in poorer/unfreeer countries is the much greater levels of corruption, which can only exist when there is something (tax revenue) to be corrupted.

      • The Plague Doctor
        December 8, 2013 at 6:42 pm

        Add: Ignoring child mortality, life expectancy was higher in Victorian England than it is today . . . and the incidence of degenerative disease was 10% of ours!

    • EvilOne
      December 10, 2013 at 11:30 am

  7. December 9, 2013 at 5:16 am

    I bet your person A and person B both get 7.50 an hour. Their labor just isn’t valuable while people with scarce skills and who make the decisions get paid. You end up with hordes of bare subsistence drones doing the bidding of their masters.
    Modern automated economies will steadily force governments to either have some kind of guaranteed income or engage in wholesale starvation/extermination of unprofitable elements.
    A good historical example is the ‘highland clearances’ if you want to see what happened when sheep became more profitable than peasant tenants.

    Italy alone is a bigger economy than Russia or India and nearly as big as Brazil with a far smaller population.
    Spain is a bigger economy than Mexico, again with far fewer people.
    The combined wealth of Europe is the greatest on planet earth at 17-18 trillion per year. Plus you can consider another 2-3 trillion per year in economic satellites like Russia that provide raw materials.
    There is extremely high youth unemployment in some of these countries, but things are still relatively peaceful because their society at at least tries to take care of its own on both the public and private levels.

    So you and your clan should have been able to find the murderer, torture and then hang him in the public square?
    We all dream of revenge. But what happens when the murderer’s gang, run by the local warlord, wipes you all out?
    If you did not pay taxes to a government, warlords would plunder everything you have. How’s that for ‘corruption?’
    In time, the warlords would become a government in order to make their plunder sustainable.

    • The Plague Doctor
      December 10, 2013 at 11:07 pm

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      (I just realized I made an ambiguous statement; I meant “bold” as in “audacious”, not typographically bold, haha.)

      I bet your person A and person B both get 7.50 an hour. Their labor just isn’t valuable while people with scarce skills and who make the decisions get paid.
      You end up with hordes of bare subsistence drones doing the bidding of their masters.

      The point is we don’t need to “bet” anything, considering I just showed you a chart of the empirical data: to decrease inequality you need to increase GDP. People living in slums are poor because they have no capital. The talking point that capitalism lead to a greater disparity between rich and poor is just a fallacy. I’ll quote the immortal Mises:

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      In their capacity as earners of wages and salaries the immense majority of the nation are vitally interested in the establishment of conditions that cause wages and salaries to rise. There is but one way to attain this end, viz., to raise the marginal productivity of the individual job holder’s contribution by increasing the amount of capital invested per capita. The height of wages depends on the height of the per head quota of capital invested. When the accumulation of capital outruns the increase in population, the marginal utility of the worker’s contribution rises and makes wages go up concomitantly. Saving and capital accumulation are the very implements of improving the material conditions of the wage earners.

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      Wages and salaries are in present-day America much higher than they were in the past because the quantity of capital invested increased more rapidly than the number of people anxious to get jobs. The plight of the underdeveloped nations is due to their shortage of capital. It is not denied by anybody that what these countries need in order to improve the standard of living of their masses is more capital. A man working in India with the primitive tools that in the capitalistic countries have been discarded long since produces much less per unit of time than the American or British worker. Consequently the compensation he receives is much lower

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      By the way, here is a persuasive chart for my earlier statements regarding real GDP growth vs. government spending:
      All available data from the International Monetary Fund for advanced economies (Source: goo . gl/ufnNo )
      So the formula is:
      yearly real GDP growth = 7% – 0.1 (governmentspending / GDP).

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      Modern automated economies will steadily force governments to either have some kind of guaranteed income or engage in wholesale starvation/extermination of unprofitable elements.
      A good historical example is the ‘highland clearances’ if you want to see what happened when sheep became more profitable than peasant tenants.

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      Sure, eventually the capital-intensiveness slowly advances to 100% in a few sectors, which causes unemployment in those sectors. But that is a GOOD thing, because labor is scarce and needs to be economized (unless you are a Luddite). The unemployment in one sector causes higher employment in another sector. “Unemployment in the unhampered market is always voluntary.” Now, if some rare employees are so stupid that they can only do manual labor and cannot do a more intellectually demanding job, than that would qualify a (mental) disability (mental retardation), not unemployment. My antinatalist view is that parents be held culpable and financially responsible for their disabled children: disabled children should be able to sue them for damages, and if parents can’t afford it they should enter into a liability insurance (against “wrongful life”) with other parents. Charity would be the last resort.

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      Italy alone is a bigger economy than Russia or India and nearly as big as Brazil with a far smaller population.
      Spain is a bigger economy than Mexico, again with far fewer people.

      Of course there are countries that have it even worse, I’ve never denied that. But I’m more interested in growth of GDP (which is deteremined by current economic policies), than GDP itself (which is determined by the past). I wouldn’t be surprised if the US and/or southern EU look more like Mexico several decades from now.

      There is extremely high youth unemployment in some of these countries, but things are still relatively peaceful because their society at at least tries to take care of its own on both the public and private levels.

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      There have been demonstrations and riots, and the rise of neofascist parties, so not very peaceful to me. The southern countries are getting propped up by the northern countries’ tax money, and by sharing the same currency, but this is a completely unsustainable situation.

      So you and your clan should have been able to find the murderer, torture and then hang him in the public square?

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      I like to throw a lot of harsh words around, I think Diaboli’s posts have rubbed off on me, haha. But in reality I believe torture is almost always pointless. Mostly because if someone commits such a heavy crime so as to deserve torture, I wouldn’t want to release him/her back into society, anyway. It’s just better for everyone involved to give the criminal a graceful exit. The only way torture would work is as a deterrent for others: maybe we could have a TV channel broadcasting it?

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      But what happens when the murderer’s gang, run by the local warlord, wipes you all out?
      If you did not pay taxes to a government, warlords would plunder everything you have. How’s that for ‘corruption?’
      In time, the warlords would become a government in order to make their plunder sustainable.

      mises . org/daily/1855 “But Wouldn’t Warlords Take Over?” My interest in debating political philosophy has enormously diminished* after I became an antinatalist, so please read some of the enormous extant literature on this topic before asking me any questions.

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      (*Bryan Caplan, I’m looking at you.)

      Hi.. I am the moron aka the plague doctor. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. BLAH.. I am a white and racist piece of shit who worships Ayn Rand and any other dead white guy who made money by murdering and swindling others. I just repeat their sophistic crap and make arguments that are based in religious type thought. Oh.. and I am also pretending to be a cool and edgy anti-natalist.. but only for those non-whites and poorer whites.

      • The Plague Doctor
        January 9, 2014 at 6:44 am

        Hi Advocatus,

        I just visited this page again, I was very surprised, but it is very good to know what you really think of me. I always enjoy an intellectual debate, and aside from a few WORDpuns which you enjoy as well, I’ve never ever used ad hominems and insults. If you have a contrary point of view then please tell us, but why resort to emotional outbursts?

        I am surprised by your accusation of racism. I am as unracist as they get, and believe in equal right for everyone, and treating everyone as an individual — unlike you, who routinely publishes posts arguing for all whites to be indiscriminately exterminated, which I parodied. I do not mind you making these racist remarks against me. And a relative of mine was murdered by a white guy, as I mentioned before, which had a severe emotional impact on me, so I do not know why you think I would worship murdering whites.

        I do not worship Ayn Rand, in fact I have never read any books of her. I have tried to demonstrate my case with facts and statistics, not wishful thinking and appeal to emotion, so I also do not understand the accusation of religiosity. In any case, I have been an atheist all my life.

        I am not an antinatalist to be cool and edgy. I am an introvert and do not care about social belonging or acceptance. Besides being an antinatalist is a downer topic and does not exactly make you the life of the party. — I am an antinatalist because (and I am not saying this to garner sympathy from anonymous strangers) I have suffered an number of severe hardships, including illness, severe physical pain, financial trouble, severe emotional pain, and family troubles, in my life — and do not wish these things to happen to anyone, not even my worst enemy, and not even to creatures in the animal kingdom. But haven’t you also published posts arguing for all humans to disappear, because of your hatred of them?

        One of the reasons to make my case, was the altruistic one to warn you other people of the economic crisis which I believe lies ahead. Maybe it is because you cannot refute my statistics, but in case you haven’t noticed, all your editorial comments are ad hominems, not logical arguments, which is unbecoming of a fine thinker such as you. (No irony intended.)

        I do not mind you feel this way, but I probably will be commenting here again. I am sure you will respond “I don’t care” to all of the above. But I have always enjoyed all your posts and learned a lot from them, so I hope you can come to a future understanding.

      • The Plague Doctor
        January 9, 2014 at 6:46 am

        I meant “will not be commenting here again.”

      • The Plague Doctor
        January 9, 2014 at 8:34 am

        I also wanted to say, yours is one of my favorite blogs, maybe even THE favorite blog, so it is a pity if things have to end in animosity.

      • The Plague Doctor
        January 11, 2014 at 11:34 am

        I had a sudden realization.
        http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/traits.html
        http:// www . halcyon . com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html
        Unbelievable. Suddenly everything makes sense. I can’t believe I missed it before, because I already knew someone with NPD, which was sheer hell on earth, but I completely fell for it again.

      • P Ray
        January 12, 2014 at 1:21 am

        NPDs make life a hell for others, while having you make the case against them, thus making you look bad, while they continue their fraud.
        Just cut contact, and let the others (who will not listen to you anyway) – suffer.
        Those not willing to eat the fruits of truth, can happily eat the fruits of lies.

    • The Plague Doctor
      December 10, 2013 at 11:26 pm

      I forgot to add, in my CUNTry guns are illegal, so the government has not allowed me to protect myself against your hypothetical burglar or warlords. In general I would never call the poLICE; just read the many news reports about the many cases of the police teams shooting the victim to death after he called 911. I’ve had too bad experiences with law enforcement. For example, when I tried ordering medication which the docTURDs did not want to prescribe, I received a letter from customs threatening me with fines. The vast majority of the activities of the poLICE consists of fighting drugs “crimes” and traffic “offenses”.

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