Was Elliot Rodger Mentally Ill?

Almost two weeks have passed since the Isla Vista Killings, and it seems that the “popular” views about Elliot Rodger fall into two distinct, but not mutualy exclusive, categories. Some say he was misogynist, an issue which I have previously written about, and then are others who say that he was mentally ill.

But was he mentally ill?

Here is the short version of my answer- Elliot Rodger was not mentally ill, by any honest and rational definition of the concept of mental illness. Some of you might say.. “but how can you be so sure, you are not a medical board certified psychiatrist”. To this my answer is- maybe the problem begins with using medical board certified psychiatrists to diagnose mental illness.

Before we go into that issue- let us first define the concept of illness, as applicable to any type of illness or disease. What do we really mean when we use words like ‘illness’ or ‘disease’? And what does being ‘healthy’ imply? If you think hard enough about it, words such as ‘health’ or ‘illness’ are about  the level of function for one or more organ systems in the body. In other words, those words tell you about how things are rather than what caused that condition in the first place. Let me explain that concept a bit further, since it has relevance to the Elliot Roger saga.

Accidentally burning yourself while cooking or breaking a bone while playing sports is not a disease or illness- even though the result of those physical insults can be treated as such. Similarly you can get a fever in response to some viral infection, bacterial infection or even a non-infectious cause such as some types of lymphomas. On the other hand, even a so-called ‘natural’ phenomena like growing old (senescence) can be classified as a disease, rather than something that is actually natural like growing up (maturation). My point is that diseases and illness are therefore best defined as a deviation from optimal organ or whole body function.

But what is the relevance of this to defining mental illness or diseases. Well.. it has to so with what can be considered a mental illness and what cannot. For example- hearing disembodied voices that tell you to kill others or consistently experiencing visual hallucinations is not compatible with normal brain function. Nor is obsessive compulsive behavior that the person implicitly recognizes as irrational. On the other hand- feeling very sad after the death of your child or being depressed in the aftermath of a large adverse life event or after being diagnosed with a terminal illness is normal or physiological. Similarly being sexually attracted to others of your own sex (homosexuality) is not a mental illness- even though it was considered as such by psychiatry until the 1970s.

When we start talking about Elliot Rodger and mental illness, it is necessary to first determine if his worldview was grounded in measurable reality and whether his shyness was a response to that reality.

Based on his manifesto and YouTube videos, it is clear that Elliot saw himself as a victim of the circumstances of his birth. To be more precise, he thought that his social life would have much better if he was white and had richer parents. I , for one, think that he was absolutely correct about both those factors. It does not take a genius to figure out being a white male (as opposed to a half-asian one) and/or being richer in the very affluent parts of coastal south California would have made him far more socially acceptable and desirable. Heck, even being a black or hispanic male is better than being an asian or half-asian male in SoCal- as far as social desirability is concerned. Now this is almost totally about popular perception rather than objective reality, but people (including girls) make their decisions based on popular perceptions- not objective reality. His assessment of his situation, and predicament, was therefore quite accurate.

Elliot also wrote a lot about being ignored, bullied and put down as a kid- both in school and at home. His behavioral problems started after his still married parents moved to California and got divorced within a couple of years. It is also important to note that the peculiar post-divorce custodial arrangements, his father’s remarriage, his father’s busy schedule, his stepmother’s contempt and his mother losing interest in him after the divorce were not conducive to feeling loved, wanted or secure. While his parents did make sure that he had a financially comfortable lifestyle and upbringing- it is clear that they had both abandoned him. The bully-based culture of the american school system did not make things any better and may have directly contributed to his extreme shyness and aversion towards interacting with new people. In other words, his insecurity and shyness were largely a rational response to his experiences, surroundings and condition.

Similarly, neither his manifesto or YouTube videos show any sign of irrational thinking or grandiose expectations. His manifesto in particular is very well written, factually accurate and accurately captures what he was feeling. Nor were the expectations or desires expressed in it or the videos odd. It seems that he wanted one, or at the most a few serial girlfriends, who were pretty and loved him. He was not asking for sex with hundreds or thousands of women, nor did he see himself as a guy who could get all the pussy he wanted. His wants and desires were, if anything, pretty standard for a guy in his age-group.

Now some of you might say- “but, but.. didn’t the doctor prescribe him some anti-psychotic drug which he did not take”. Well.. if you use that logic, then you also have to believe that all those anti-depressants prescribed to people with mild reactive depression, Ritalin to boys with “ADHD”, and anti-psychotics prescribed to people with PTSD and atypical depression-like symptoms are based in evidence-based medicine. Here is a hint- they are not! It is about physicians trying to show that they are doing something- even if that something is useless or actively harmful.

In my opinion, blaming Elliot Roger’s murder spree on misogyny or mental illness are excuses for people to avoid talking about the real social issues that led him to do what he ultimately did. In an earlier era, we would have blamed his actions on witchcraft, wizardry or devil worship.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. June 7, 2014 at 9:19 am

    he was high functioning autism…

    he *may* have been a sociopath and was exceedingly narcissistic…

    it’s ironic how the M(h)RM is going out of it’s way to disown him and feminist’s are happier than shit that they can pin his actions on the MRM…

    fact is, mentally ill people are often not violent…


    in fact, I would say a hate movement like feminism is likely to bring forth someone who uses their ideology to excuse violence **cough** Valerie Solanas **cough**

  2. June 7, 2014 at 9:23 am

    “To be more precise, he thought that his social life would have much better if he was white and had richer parents.”

    don’t forget tall and buffed up…

    • EvilOne
      June 8, 2014 at 11:33 am

      Part of a convo that rang a bell with me a while back:

      ‘Working out doesn’t help much when it’s cold and my coat is covering up my muscles. Giving these guys death glares and shoves get old once they start pulling out shanks. I don’t blame you if you would rather avoid this trouble. I envy the tall guys who don’t have to give a shit because girls can’t upgrade from them, these tall guys are the upgrade.

      Overall, I’ve concluded that whether it comes to romance or business, it’s kind of pointless trying to be the best at anything when we’re short. Even becoming the President of France or Russia seems to amount to “Putin and Sarkozy just have Napoleon Complexes.” Yeah, we could still do everything for ourselves, but that’s a boring life after a few years. Humans like to be recognized with positive reinforcement.’

      • P Ray
        June 8, 2014 at 2:01 pm

        Biggest positive reinforcement is money.
        Failing that, getting other people to do stuff for you because you did or are planning to do stuff for them.

        Regular guys can get the poon, but they need to hold something over the women they want it from.
        The more men stop white-knighting, the greater the chances they will get their needs met.

        A lot of women like the idea of “chivalry”, because that means men will do favours for them without asking for any sort of payment.

      • EvilOne
        June 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm

        I dont see the relevance of your reply…?

      • P Ray
        June 9, 2014 at 12:51 am

        Humans like to be recognized with positive reinforcement.
        What I said after was a reply to that statement.
        When you have the money, you can get people to do jobs.
        They don’t have to enjoy the jobs, that’s why it’s called a job.

    • The Social Construct
      June 8, 2014 at 7:15 pm

      Richer parents?!?! He was the son of a Hollywood director living in mansion overlooking the sea and driving a super expensive car.

      What the hell?

      • P Ray
        December 16, 2020 at 10:47 pm

        You can be the son of a Hollywood director, but that doesn’t mean much if you have no access to that money, or any say in how it will be used.

        People always think being directly related to someone rich means you directly benefit.

        Not if you 1)are a direct reminder to the parents that undesirable genes win out, or 2)they have another kid (female) that they favour over you, or 3)you are considered the unfortunate side effect of fucking an Asian woman on the regular.

  3. June 7, 2014 at 9:25 am

    “The bully-based culture of the american school system did not make things any better and may have directly contributed to his extreme shyness and aversion towards interacting with new people.”

    Ironically, this statement explains why he wasted more men than womyn–but victim based feminism won’t let that factoid out…

    • EvilOne
      June 8, 2014 at 9:00 pm

      Being a young male whos not muscular or tall or both is pure horror.

    • P Ray
      December 20, 2020 at 5:17 am

      Plus and minus tho …

      The Asian guys he wasted were the typical bluepill normies, and at the same time, most likely to think “just be confident bro”.

      On the flip side, they would have matured into men critical of women and their resource-extracting ways especially now in the time of CoViD-19.

      The real situation for any movement, is that it takes time for people to get on your side, and sometimes, the day of retribution comes before that change.

      Plus the sorority house was locked, and he didn’t think about blasting the lock open.

      Anyhow, the horror young males go through is ignored, many men are bluepilled idiots because they either are fathers of girls, or are in a relationship and “scared” of losing the woman who doesn’t give them regular sex.

  4. masculineffort
    June 7, 2014 at 10:45 am

    Sexual communism is the need of the hour. All men deserve sex with attractive women. All women deserve sex with Alpha males. I propose myself as the chairman of the planning commission to bring about this Sexual communism.

  5. masculineffort
    June 7, 2014 at 10:47 am

    AD, why is your economics blogroll full of Libertarian writers like Mike Shedlock and Zero Hedge? I thought you called them LIEbertarians and wanted them all shot.

    Because you have to know who to get rid off. Also, it is good to keep an eye on what such people think, say and do.

    • masculineffort
      June 8, 2014 at 10:03 am

      Fascinating. You going to do it personally, or do you have an army of assassins. And zero hedge is anonymous isn’t he? Kinda like you.

      • sth_txs
        June 8, 2014 at 5:53 pm

        AD is another left wing coward and hypocrite. Anyway, as a Jeffersonian, I look forward to exterminating the likes of AD. Given leftist penchant for killing those who do not want to live in their enlightened society, it is merely a self defense measure.

      • masculineffort
        June 9, 2014 at 11:32 pm

        Looks like everyone is eagerly looking or pretending to be eagerly looking for a chance to bump everybody else off. Haha!

  6. Great Grimoires for Masons
    June 7, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    “Similarly, neither his manifesto or YouTube videos show any sign of irrational thinking or grandiose expectations. ” — Advocatus Diaboli.

    “I am a God.” — Elliot Rodger


    and what did he ASK for? Context, Context!

  7. webe
    June 7, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    The real mental-health angle is not whether he was mentally ill (in a certain sense killing yourself like this is strong evidence of not being mentally healthy). It’s about the effect of psycho-tropic drugs (like SSRI’s) which ALWAYS seem to pop up in these cases. The fact that not everyone goes crazy on SSRI’s doesn’t much matter. All of these meds have so many side-effects that a double blind study is precluded from the outset. The side-effects as well as the main effects vary widely on different individuals. There is of course no explanation for this differentiation; scientifically that would probably be more interesting than the general effect pharma hopes for.
    These drugs are in any event not compensating for lack of seretonin, otherwise they would be measuring you seretonin levels to decide if you need it. Of course people who are on these drugs are already messed up. It is nonetheless intriguing that these drugs seem to play a role in altering some people’s personality to the point that they cross thresholds which most people around them judge to be out of character.

    • The Social Construct
      June 8, 2014 at 7:09 pm

      “The real mental-health angle is not whether he was mentally ill (in a certain sense killing yourself like this is strong evidence of not being mentally healthy).”

      What about killing other people?

  8. July 10, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Nice commentary. Is there really a difference between mental illness and being “driven crazy” by society and one’s only too well considered misunderstandings about it? For some further thoughts…


    Along similar lines..


  9. survivingincel
    July 17, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Well, Australian society treated Aziz Shavershian like shit, as himself a skinny nerd with video game addiction(like Rodgers). Then Zyzz started to lift, then he gained muscles, then he started to bang girls left and right.

    • masculineffort
      July 18, 2014 at 8:11 am

      The author of this blog and his readership do not believe in effort. They believe that effort is useless. They believe that people get something only out of pure chance of psychopathy. Your views are unwelcome here. So take your subversive and anarchist views somewhere else and do not darken the doorsteps of this blog ever again.

      • survivingincel
        July 19, 2014 at 11:50 am

        I can only do that if the owner of this blog tells me to do that. you are not the owner

      • masculineffort
        July 20, 2014 at 6:50 pm

        Aaah! I see you do not understand sarcasm and irony. Not surprising. I’ve read your blog and you are too earnest to understand.

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