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Do Men Actually Enjoy Having Sex with Fat, Ugly or Plain Looking Women?

One of the more repeated and rehashed memes on the internet concerning the ability of women to get sex on their terms can be summarized as:

Fat, ugly and plain-looking women can get laid more easily than good-looking men.

While I do not disagree with the general observation expressed in this statement, one of its not-so-obvious aspect deserves more attention.

Do the men having sex with such women actually enjoy it?

I can almost hear many of the readers say.. “but, but why would men have sex with women if they did not enjoy it?”. This statement is typically followed by something along the lines of “men will fuck anything” or an attempt to sound sophisticated by saying something about “male hormones and the brain”.

However, a lot of men are aware of the difference between “enjoying having sex” and just “having sex”- even though both ultimately result in an orgasm followed by ejaculation. Let me explain the difference between the two in a bit more detail. I have been with a few escorts when the sex was OK, but did not feel much better than masturbation. I have been with many more escorts where the sex was pretty good and felt substantially better than masturbation, but not quite earth-shaking. And there are those with whom the sex was absolutely incredible, draining and pretty much everything you would expect out of great sex.

But why is distinguishing between “having sex” and “enjoying having sex” important? What difference does it make if the guy is just “having sex” with a woman as opposed to “enjoying having sex with her”. Well.. it comes down to what they really are. In my opinion, and experience, “having sex” is identical to masturbating inside a woman. It feels OK and gets the job done, but it is not especially enjoyable or memorable. In contrast, good to great sex aka “enjoying having sex” feels great to amazing and is very memorable.

But how is any of this related to the question posed in the title of this post?

Well.. it largely comes down to the magnitude of sexual attraction experienced by the guy. Sex with a beautiful, or at least pretty, woman is far more likely to be perceived as good or great than if you did it with a plain (let alone fat or ugly) woman. This does not imply that the woman’s sexual technique or personality don’t matter- because they do and will tilt the playing field. However all things considered, a woman’s sexual attractiveness is still the single biggest factor determining the quality of sex with her. Moreover,beautiful and pretty women usually also have better personalities than fat, ugly or plain-looking women.

So why do men keep on having sex with fat, ugly or plain-looking women if the experience is not much better than masturbation? Well there are a bunch of closely related reasons for it, but it comes down to social conditioning- specifically the type that keeps an exploitative and dysfunctional system alive. Society spends a lot of time telling men that having sex with fat, ugly or plain-looking women is “natural” and superior to masturbation. In reality it is quite unsatisfying, extremely expensive and generally not conducive to the enjoyment of life. Sex with pretty or beautiful women, paid or unpaid, on the other hand is much more enjoyable and vastly superior to masturbation. Of course, the social approval cannot keep on going as we now live in the age of ambient internet porn and social atomization.

Also, see my related series: How to Use Escorts

What do you think? Comments?

  1. Retrenched
    June 8, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    No, and men dont enjoy taking pisses in filthy gas station restrooms either. But, when you gotta go you gotta go.

    • webe
      June 9, 2014 at 8:18 am

      Well, a lot of “fat” lays are men who have struck out so far for the night, or whose normal discriminatory reflexes have been overruled by alcohol, etc. It means nothing at all, except that it underscores a millenia old truth: there is dearth of easy sex for men whereas easy women will have ample. Obviously enjoyment of sexual relations is not directly related to achieving orgasm, otherwise there would millions of men perfectly content with their right or left hand. The enjoyment has to do with a whole panoply of things (Does she respect me? Is she pleasant? Does she look good ? (and enhance my self-esteem?) Do we get along? Is it fun? etc etc etc). Even aside from the aesthetics and the fact that less desirable people tend to develop matching personalities, from her perspective she is likely to reckon that you’re only into her because you can’t do any better, and therefore just using her and basically unworthy: just that train of thought will have a seriously deleterious effect.

      • The Social Construct
        June 11, 2014 at 8:08 pm

        “Well, a lot of “fat” lays are men who have struck out so far for the night”

        Most fay lays are average, overweight women having relationship sex with their average, often overweight male partners.

        Assortive mating is happy mating.

    • NISS X
      June 5, 2015 at 6:05 pm

      No, because you could masturbate on a tree or stick it in something else and not feel some disgusting fat thing. You DO have to touch that fat thing you are screwing. And it’s not screwing for many of you, who are online talking about how much you ‘love’ these women that are uglier than a mud post, no exaggeration, as well as huge. I could see loving someone despuite their looks.. but having sex with , ,and getting turned on to the point of ejaculation? No . No way. Sorry. There is no excuse. None. I would stay abstinent because I absolutely could not touch someone that repulses me physically. It sounds to me like you men are NOT repulsed and disgusted by fat (obese) women and/or butterfaces, or very plain faced women. Makes no sense to me.

      • George
        November 19, 2015 at 6:42 am

        This was the reason I went down the escort path – I refuse to have sex with anything less than a hard 7. Absolutely refuse! The idea of possible rejection from a 6 or even a 5 seems insane to me, no man should give those deluded hippos the satisfaction! for sex escorts are the best, but if I have to face a possible rejection, it would have to be from a 9.5 nothing less, and she may be boring as hell in the sack – in the film John Don, protagonist gets it right ‘. . girl that hot doesn ‘t give head’ . . If you want a 9 who gives awsome oral – only escorts, no other way. Your regular 9 uses sex as an ego trip, you mean nothing to her, in fact I know a former model 9.5 who goes out with the ugliest guys alive – to feed her narcissistic ego, her hotness is accentuated in the presense of Quasimodos. This is the true state of a real woman – so all of you PUA s and gamers – happy hunting.

  2. June 8, 2014 at 6:59 pm


    you already know the answer…

    it is in feminist and tradcons best interest to keep low status men starved so they keep chasing after the carrot…

    A starving man will slobber down a fast food meal just as readily as a gourmet meal…

    “man up” and marry those single moms would wouldn’t have given you the time of day 8 years ago when they were 30 lbs lighter and without another man’s child…

    –and this is why I don’t think incles can become MGTOW’s….

    MGTOWS know what they are walking away from…

    • P Ray
      June 9, 2014 at 12:54 am

      I don’t think incels want to be the person on the hook for a cockhopper’s previous bad decisions.

    • 40yearoldvirgin
      June 9, 2014 at 11:07 am

      Or maybe the “incel” (as you PUAs so skillfully like to shame) just doesn´t feel the need to step into the same shit as everybody else.

      Thus ironically proving themselves the better men, actually learning from other men´s mistakes. Whereas the average pussyholic cannot even accomplish this from his own repeated ones.

      • EvilOne
        June 9, 2014 at 12:08 pm

        I think the term for that is “MGTOW”. Incel is shortform for INvoluntarily CELibate.

      • June 9, 2014 at 4:48 pm

        haha, I’m probably 50 times further than a PUA than you are, not that that matters…

        ….nope, I don’t shame you for being a 40 year old virgin, you’ve probably made your life simpler and less dramatic for that choice…

        …it may be a subtle difference to most but it is a SIGNIFICANT difference as EvilOne points out–a MGTOW is not defining himself by sex whereas an incel is. A MGTOW can sleep with 500+ women or be a lifelong virgin.

    • NISS X
      June 5, 2015 at 6:08 pm

      But these men are not low status. They have good jobs, or at least they have a job, car, etc.. they are attractive to semi-attractive, and they are with these women that look , and act, absolutely hideous. We think they want a mommy figure, since most of these women are so huge, they are 19 years old but they look like they are in their 30’s. No dress sense whatsoever. I walk by in a long black skirt and get ignored , while they kiss that thing. In public. Usually in fast-food places, where the woman scarfs down a huge fast food meal (large portion ALWAYS) like she’s having sex with the food. Argh! it is so wrong and so disgusting. Stop having sex with these women and start raising your standards.

      • June 5, 2015 at 8:09 pm

        trust me I am not having sex with those womyn…

  3. The Social Construct
    June 8, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    Most people are “plain looking”. Sexy, above-average looking men and women are rare.

    If only “beautiful people” mated, the world population would be below 1 million.

    • June 13, 2014 at 4:35 pm

      This is also why race-patriots (white supremacists and black conscious crowds) despise miscegenation.

    • NISS X
      June 5, 2015 at 5:59 pm

      Yes, I am ‘rare’. And it SHOULDN’T be ‘rare’. Go look at people from the 1950’s and earlier! They looked BEAUTIFUL, most of them, because there were standards!!!! So, because my looks are so rare, I and other beauties who have modeled and acted should sit home year after year while you all settle for marrying those others? Why.. because you are not good looking or you are afraid to approach a gorgeous woman? Hasn’t stopped any men from hooting whistling yelling and smiling at us constantly! What is the point of that? You all have wasted my reproductive years, and those of other gorgeous women, completely. It is sickening.

      • NISS X
        June 5, 2015 at 6:01 pm

        We have to listen to your stories about how much you ‘love’ your ‘great’ butterface or obese wife? PLEASE. We have to saw ‘awww’ to the wedding and baby photos of slobs, while we stay childless and unmarried ? No. No more.

      • Luis
        June 15, 2015 at 11:14 pm

        You say you’re beautiful and you criticize men who marry ugly women, but then you accept to hook up with an unattractive man??!! You’re fucking up logic here!! Please use a bit of logic next time!! If the man is ugly the babies will be slobs just as if the woman is!!!!! LOL!!!!

      • P Ray
        June 16, 2015 at 5:28 am

        @NISS X
        The fact that you are only attracted to men who are already attached, is just your laziness speaking.
        Try to put in some effort rather than relying on the “woman’s cheerleader squad”, since, “if women were so good at picking men, why do 65% of them initiate divorces?”
        Another thing to remember is this:
        “If it’s true love, why does it happen to you so many times?”

      • HayleyLaine
        September 18, 2015 at 3:17 am

        Niss X, maybe you turn them off with your personality. I have been told my whole life that I am beautiful, but it is one standard of beauty. Maybe these men are more attracted to these women because they aren’t shallow, obsessed with physical appearance and are actually fun to hang out with. You sound like a high maintenance pain in the ass.

      • Sara
        April 5, 2016 at 12:31 pm

        Look at your ugly ass personality. That’s why no one wants you. Instead of realizing that men more than looks when it comes to family,love and relationships, you only think about superficial things. I’ve been told I’m super beautiful but the difference between me an you is that I’m know there is more to life than myself.

    • Bibiana
      August 20, 2015 at 1:41 pm

      I agree with this. Most men and women are not gorgeous or horrible looking. They are simply average, perhaps pleasant looking. Just people.

  4. June 8, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    Dudes who chase these broads simply are weaklings who can not do any better and others are just looking for notches under their belts. Then again, it’s all about preference — I never understood the preference some men have for banging pregnant chicks, nor have I understood men getting off on lactating chicks. But to each his own.

    The nerve of mediocre chicks who get pissed when they discover their alpha stud boyfriends have had sex with fat chicks… Only because it makes them feel truly desirable and they get a wake-up call that they are not as high-value as they think they are. I’ve seen it happen too many times on Facebook and I’ve discussed a situation like this, which I was involved in…

  5. Isaac
    June 9, 2014 at 12:04 am

    I don’t know where you live but in Europe they want to tighten the prostitution laws, so we won’t have any other choice than going for the ugly woman and losing a looooot of time&money in bars&clubs. Too many guys in my environment say “no” to woman since it’s becoming too expensive, and feminism is fighting back since their stream of income and attention is drying up. We men need sex to keep ourselves healthy and woman need money. Too bad, but that’s the system. We’re just talking about a pricesetting.

    I have your lifestyle (escorts), like so many other guys; but honestly, most of them just want to get the job done, and for the really beautiful ones you have to pay a lot. Getting a good service is unpredictable, even with the “highclass” prostitutes. I had excellent service with 25eur hookers and bad service with 300eur hookers. Prostitutes are still woman and woman are still prostitutes. If they don’t feel like it, they don’t do it. I take good sex as an extra, first of all I just want to ejaculate. I don’t give females more attention than they intrinsic deserve: an ejaculation.

    • webe
      June 9, 2014 at 8:02 am

      I don’t give females more attention than they intrinsic deserve: an ejaculation.
      Sounds pretty bitter and mean. You really enjoy women and company! Women are people. I’m not going to say what they deserve (especially not without knowing them), but I know plenty of women who I wish more in life than receipt of an ejaculation.
      It’s true that the quality of paid sex is not directly related to money, if anything, you have a good chance of buying snobbery. Crossing racial lines will generally get you poorer service, and crossing language lines means you cannot communicate. Being able to communicate, some banter through which there is some mutual identification and recognition, being somewhat on the same page … will go further to better service and experiences than just money. Rather similar to non-paid sex — a moment of connection will do wonders for enthusiasm and eagerness to please.

      • EvilOne
        June 9, 2014 at 7:31 pm

        “Crossing racial lines will generally get you poorer service”

        Not at all, whites can cross racial lines and get pretty good service. Asians can’t get good service in their race or with whites.

      • The Social Construct
        June 11, 2014 at 2:38 pm

        “Not at all, whites can cross racial lines and get pretty good service. Asians can’t get good service in their race or with whites.”

        Not true of the gaijjin hostesses in Japan. Also not true of the Japanese hostesses who get paid more than the gaijjin – by Japanese clients.

        In Japan the gaijjin hostesses are there to specifically service and even hook up long term with Japanese men. The Japanese reciprocate with gifts and monetary help, but they reciprocate MORE with their native Japanese women.

      • Webe
        June 12, 2014 at 12:47 am

        Notice I said generally. That means it depends, but there is a trend. I’m speaking from white experience. Admittedly crossing racial lines will have greater impact for non-whites. Lots of white girls will simply refuse guys with a background that they (have learned to) dislike — whether this is racial or cultural (Islamic guys with a chip on their shoulder looking for trouble) is always hard to say, but will be more often than not be interpreted as racial. Paid sex is different than LTRs, evoking a host of possible hang-ups about injustices/exploitation and superiority/inferiority. Crossing certain boundaries will often (not always) elicit less than a warm welcome.
        Much like the dynamic that plays out when people from a wealthier country are mass tourists to a less-wealth country. Many of the tourists look down on their “hosts”, whereas the “hosts” need the money but resent the role they have to play.

    • June 9, 2014 at 8:55 am

      I have yet to attend Europe, but even if it is becoming tight, understand this: Everybody breaks the “law”! Me, personally? I’ll be damned if I degrade myself and lose my self-respect by following society’s “standards” (following the herd) and waste my time, money and stamina on some mediocre piece of ass who wants me to go through rituals of acting like Stepin Fetchit just to win her approval or to thirst over the possibility of sex. Even if you get caught up, it’s not as costly as spending nearly $1,000 on 3 stupid dinner dates and obtaining nothing in return. It’s also not as costly as child support, vagina-mony payments, etc. Just understand the game, grow some balls and watch your back. You ALWAYS have a choice, whether society finds it objectionable or not. Just be discreet and avoid the unlucky. That’s all.

      • Webe
        June 12, 2014 at 12:53 am

        In Europe prices are much lower than in N America. Less illegality encourages a better balance between supply and demand. Prices tend to vary far less than quality/looks. The better (looking) girls earn 10x as much by getting more clients. If you can avoid snobs, better looks often means better sex and friendlier.

    • The Social Construct
      June 11, 2014 at 9:30 am

      “I don’t know where you live but in Europe they want to tighten the prostitution laws, so we won’t have any other choice than going for the ugly woman ”

      Are European prostitutes generally good looking? In the US prostitutes are generally of average appearance, with a dress on.

      • EvilOne
        June 11, 2014 at 2:46 pm

        Just chiming in: Prostitutes in Canada are good looking at the 200-300 dollar/hr range…then again, they are trying to ban it.

    • Bibiana
      August 20, 2015 at 1:45 pm

      There is nothing wrong with seeing escorts, but doesn’t it get old if you are doing it exclusively? Most men eventually want someone who enjoys being with them for themselves.

    • George
      November 19, 2015 at 7:00 am

      I am from Australia where it’s legal, and I only go for indies, and the best thing about eacorts is that there are so many to choose from and many of them want good regular clients so most go out of their way to please you. True, there some jaded lazy ones but part of the fun is shopping around. Never know when you might find a real gem. I have a few regulars – they were that good. No girlfriend or wife would give that kind of oral, no way! I have basis for comparison. Sorry feminists but I am just adapting to the changing dating environment – Darwinian creed.

      • P Ray
        November 19, 2015 at 7:08 am

        The feminists actually prefer that “all lesser men, hang in the back, then hand us their goodies and wealth, when we women are old, haggard and “ready for a good man””.
        They can dry up and blow away,
        as a matter of fact:
        Sunday Herald Sun
        10 August 2003

        Older women urged to become lesbians

        [The article was originally accessible at http://www.news.com.au/common/printpage/0,6093,6908932,00.html but appears to have been removed.]

        By Nikki Voss and Nicole Cox

        Australia’s leading relationship counselling body is urging lonely older single women to become lesbians.

        Relationships Australia spokesman Jack Carney said men’s shorter life spans, and their pursuit of much younger women, meant women in their twilight years were often forced to turn to other women for love and companionship.

  6. Jim
    June 9, 2014 at 4:50 am

    Sex is overrated. Men get off on the thrill of the chase more than the act itself.

    • webe
      June 9, 2014 at 7:51 am

      Overrated? My whole life I’ve been told that sex is overrated. I would sooner say it’s underrated.
      The exhilaration and thrill of the chase evaporate really quickly if not accompanied by (somewhat) realistic anticipation of conversion…

    • Jim Jones
      June 10, 2014 at 9:34 am

      Sex is not overrated. If you believe the chase is better than sex, then you’ve never had good sex!

    • July 9, 2017 at 3:40 pm

      Qualify your comment as, “To ME,sex is overrated. I and some other men get off on the thrill, etc”

      Because, 1) to me, sex is not at all overrated 2) I’ve never enjoyed ‘the chase”; I stay visible and wait for women to come to me — in fact, for the past fifteen years (I’m an open-married, 61-year-old who still has washboard abs from 45 years of drug-free bodybuilding) the dozen or more extramarital lovers I’ve had for various medium and long terms all initiated contact with me; I never chase at all.
      Many of us men think sex is underrated, and we don’t enjoy the chase more than the sex.

  7. Theodore Logan
    June 9, 2014 at 11:22 am

    If she is ugly or plane jane face but has a nice body, I am inclined to still enjoy it. If she has an attractive face but is obese, I would still orgasm but, I would not enjoy it. If she is fat and ugly, I wouldn’t go near it.

  8. Mr. Spim
    June 9, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    Even as a young incel I was never a pigfucker. I knew guys who would bang anything, however. Never saw the point in that.

  9. sth_txs
    June 9, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    AD is only trying to justify his dislike for obese women. A real socialist would want everyone equally unappealing and equally unhappy.

  10. blurkel
    June 10, 2014 at 12:36 am

    It’s been my experience that a fat woman who tries to please is much preferred to the Barbie doll that haas no clue what to do. It thus isn’t what she looks like as much as it is how agreeable and cooperative she is. ALL women tend to be lacking in this regard no matter what they look like.

  11. June 10, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Cardguy here – I just got banned recently on the RooshV Forum. Anyway – a few years before I got banned – I got banned under the name ‘zorro’ for asking the same question (the following month I rejoined as ‘Cardguy’ and posted nearly 5,000 messages!)


    I love your blog man – I have recommended it a number of times on that forum. I hope you keep writing for a long time!

  12. June 10, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Damnit! This topic makes me want to come out of my summer hiatus, but I won’t. I’ll be posting a blog soon about my experience with a mediocre-looking woman. I mean, what’s strange is this… Just because a woman is a 5 doesn’t mean the sex will be a 5. Not every 5-star high-quality female wants to get down like a porn star or a stripper.

    Even with escorts, I’ve had bad sex with 2 women who were solid 4s in looks, but at two points in my life so far, sex with two 3s was insanely mind-blowing and yes, they were white girls (one was a stripper and another was a bony-ass rural, semi-trailerpark chick. The semi-trailerpark girl was addicted to sex with me before she got tired of my shit and became monogamy-minded, sowing her wild oats).

    • Bibiana
      August 20, 2015 at 1:48 pm

      From what I have observed, looks has little to do with a person’s ability as a lover.

  13. fatchiksNeedLuvTooLOL
    June 10, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    People who have a fetish for fat chicks certainly enjoy fucking them.
    It seems obvious to me that the vast majority of men don’t want fat chicks, but at the same
    time it seems plausible to me that some guys would naturally be into them.

    What is a fat chick exactly ? Any woman over 120lb ?

    I’d much rather do a fat girl with a beautiful face than a thin girl with an ugly face, but that’s just me.

  14. bacon
    June 11, 2014 at 6:07 am

    @cardguy if you end up reading this ill be emailing you soon. I was laughing my ass off at your zorro entry.

    I post as bacon on the rvf forum for others reading this you could also read my returnofkings articles

    As per the topic at hand. I have been with fat chicks however I have been very drunk and used them strickly for blowjobs. Even that was hard to do and with alchol.

    However fat chicks are usually pretty good at oral sex its just a really degrading act on your end. As they say the reason fat chicks give good blowjobs is because they love to eat!

    The expression you can drink away the ugly but not the fat is very appllicable. I now live in asia where obesity rates are very low still and the men have the option of not having to dumpster dive for fat chicks when they are horny so as a result fat chicks here rarely leave the house since they are keenly aware how disgusting they are and and feel as sense of shame about what they are*as they should*.

    To the creator of this website keep up the brilliant insight you have helped me look at many things in society in a new light. Your posts on escorts alone have helped cement a long seeded belief that they should be a intregal part of most mens lives.particularly as men become to older.

  15. cardguy
    June 11, 2014 at 8:31 am

    Hey Bacon,

    Look forward to hearing from you. I thought it was funny I got banned and went on to rack a lot of popularity on the forum and even a ‘Cardguy Appreciation Thread’ – so much so I slipped in a reference to my previous banned moniker (zorro) here:


    And now I am banned again! Oh well – maybe I will just spend more time on this blog since this is my favourite blog.

    If the guy writing the blog reads this – how about you do a blog where you discuss your life a little more (without revealing your ID). I have read all your blog posts and you still seem a bit of a mystery. There are never even any book recommendations to get a feel for your intellectual hinterland.

    Love the blog!


  16. noneya business
    July 6, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    you all are disgusting and judgemental. what about what the girls think about you! what if they think you are ugly! women cannot help how their face looks! Ugly women for the most part have better personalities then selfish, stuck up, shallow, vane pretty women.

    • P Ray
      September 16, 2014 at 9:29 pm

      Women “only have better personalities” when they’re attracted to the guy they’re with.
      In short, they change their behaviour to attract the guys they want.

      • Bibiana
        August 20, 2015 at 1:51 pm

        Men do this too. And really, for either men or women, its a waste of time. You can only act for so long.

    • George
      November 19, 2015 at 7:10 am

      There is no such thing as an ugly man, there are only ugly women and ugly wallets!

    • P Ray
      November 19, 2015 at 8:34 am

      Ugly women for the most part have better personalities then selfish, stuck up, shallow, vane pretty women.
      Chances are the ugly woman has deluded herself into thinking “I am only suitable for Chad Thundercock since he likes me for the in-out in-out” … and tells regular guys to get lost.
      This is because women have a problem distinguishing “sex with an alpha male” and “relationship with an alpha male”.

  17. survivingincel
    July 17, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    As a life long incel who only had sex with prostitutes I feel like I had to chime in. As most men I spoke with who seek out prostitutes actually DON’T care how attractive the prostitute is,they just want a quick fuck. I, on the other hand, do care, as I am paying for it might as well get something out of it. This makes me an outcast even amongst the prostitute seekers.

    Secondly, both gay men and straight men have a wide variety of what they find attractive. Some men actually do have fat fetish which is why they are willing to PAY to watch porn featuring fat women. Female beauty varies greatly in different cultures. Men are also less picky they are willing to see pass the flaws in their partner.

    Women have a very narrow focus on what they find attractive. Across the planet the standard for male beauty is almost identical (symmetrical face, tall, square jaw, v- shape torso). Female preference in men actually varies more with age. Young women like pretty boys, older women like rugged masculine men.

    • George
      November 19, 2015 at 7:25 am

      Scientific fact – women have no idea what they want. Hence the reason they go all nutty over mask wearing weirdos – Zorro comes to mind. If you were to ask an average woman to describe her ideal man she will draw you a picture of an andrgenous creature that is part man, part woman and part alien. Read
      Mills & Boon and they all fall pretty much in the same category. Men on the other hand like tangible objective reality so we know our ideal woman. In a way we have to feel sorry for women. Imagine going through entire life not knowing what you want and feeling that no one understands you.

  18. Go long.
    August 27, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    You’re a dick.

  19. Go long.
    August 27, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    You don’t have sex. You don’ know anything about it. What’s worse is you’re fronting like you do know.

  20. Klaire
    September 14, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    Is this a joke? Are you retarded? Let me inform you what it is that you’re suffering from: you’re an ugly guy with the entitlement of a good-looking guy. Ugly girls have the ability to admit to themselves that they’re ugly and move on. Men are incapable of this. The uglier the men the greater his ego. Are you seriously writing shit like this when there’s 4 blog entries of advice on how to get escorts/ deal with escorts?! The man who enjoys fucking a plain women will forever have more self-respect, integrity and morality than you. No doubt about it, as a matter of fact it will increase his chances with other women while someone who pays for sex is someone who’s too much of a coward to get a rope and be done with it. You couldn’t attract a fat woman for the life of you. Come to think of it fat women have sex with average to good-looking guys. It’s uggos with an inferiority complex who should and do remove themselves from the sexual market because you’re so dispensable.

    • P Ray
      September 16, 2014 at 9:28 pm

      ou’re an ugly guy with the entitlement of a good-looking guy. Ugly girls have the ability to admit to themselves that they’re ugly and move on.
      If that were true, make-up companies would go out of business.
      Your interesting view of reality is at odds … with what happens in reality.

  21. Klaire
    September 14, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    *ugly males that is of course.
    Hell, imagine how disgusting it is to have an average man on top of you, let alone an ugly guy like yourself. Can’t blame women for giving all the good sex to handsome men, they can choose after all and who would turn down a muscular, pretty faced, big dicked hottie for an ugly one. If the guy takes off his clothes and is not ripped, broad shouldered and well-endowed I need to concentrate on not vomiting before I’m the hell out that door.

    • P Ray
      September 16, 2014 at 9:26 pm

      Men are always paying for women, now with the marriage strike women can try paying for houses by themselves.
      Hint: Not every woman gets that money, see:

      You may think you have plenty of options, but an ugly man has plenty of motivation to make money, which makes him attractive to many other women.
      Thanks for exposing your contempt, though, it makes regular men aware that women are just as superficial as the men they condemn, but spend a great deal of time massaging their image.

      • Janon
        October 16, 2014 at 8:51 pm

        its one chick posting numb nuts, not the whole gender. and she was pissed off by this lunatic blog. im 100% sure she is lashing out and doesnt think that way.

        have fun being a bitter, resentful, self loathing loser alone with stats and hookers and your fellow brahs wallowing in self pity rather than fixing your fucked up personality and meeting real people

        unbelievable how misogynistic “bro culture” is in the 21st century.

        didnt you fucking assholes have mothers?

      • P Ray
        November 6, 2014 at 5:29 am

        didnt you fucking assholes have mothers?
        Mothers are telling their male children not to marry a f*cked up woman and that there are many out there,
        since those mothers are clearly aware that a bad marriage of their male children … can result in the mother losing the roof over her head due to a divorce and the predatory woman.

        Have fun being a blue-pilled loser, on the hook for society’s adventures.

        P.S. Read the cupcake rules below.

      • Luis
        June 15, 2015 at 11:43 pm

        This posts asks the question whether men enjoy sex with fat/ugly women, but what about the opposite case? Do women enjoy having sex with ugly/bald/hairy/fat men??!! I really doubt it!! So in the end of the day the score is even for both sexes, XP

      • P Ray
        June 16, 2015 at 5:32 am

        The score isn’t even, because alimony:
        men paying for women they’re not screwing.
        Like Chris Rock said:
        “I mean, she can have the alimony but I want some pussy payment.”

        Besides, there is also “false paternity” and…
        I won’t give her a penny! Spitting fury on behalf of all ex-husbands, the eco tycoon whose former wife wants a slice of his millions – 23 years AFTER they divorced
        Dale Vince separated from Kathleen Wyatt when he was penniless traveler
        They divorced in 1992 and he didn’t see or hear from her for 15 years
        Now, Ms Wyatt wants a £1.9million chunk of his £104million fortune
        First legal letter came soon after he appeared on Sunday Times Rich List in 2011, he says

        Don’t bet your balls it’s even, because it’s NOT

    • George
      November 19, 2015 at 9:07 am

      Women can fake an orgasm, I can’t fake an erection, that is why it’s so easy for a woman to be an escort.

  22. P Ray
    September 17, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    These are the relationship advice rules women pass among themselves:
    Rule 1: Never reveal the cock count to any man whose wallet you are trying to attach to. Most men will figure you’ve been with a few guys, thinking boyfriends plus a couple of one night stands. If asked, always undercount, by a lot. If the man presses for an actual count, I know it is surprising since he should feel lucky that you’ve even shown any interest in him, let alone letting him fuck you, say the following to boost his ego: “Oh baby, I’ve only been with like 3 or 4 guys that were really special to me. But none of them made me feel like you.” This will make you seem special to him and help to entice him to commit his wallet to you. He doesn’t need to know that you’ve been used by more cocks than the urinals at a major beer fest. Unless he’s one of the few guys into porn stars or prostitutes, you don’t want him to think about all the cocks that have been there before him as that may cause him to be obstinate in committing his wallet to your service. Your cock count should only be shared with your closest girlfriends when comparing notes, or if you are done with your current wallet, either trading up to a thicker wallet or getting with that bad boy you’ve been fucking on the side, tell him so he will be destroyed and it will be easier to scrape him off (make sure you tell him he was never good enough for you in the sack, unlike all those other men).

    Rule 2: Never tell your wallet about any of your wild sexual adventures or non-standard sex. He might want to have some of those adventures, or try some of that non-standard sex, but he’s not worthy, that stuff is reserved for your alpha boyfriend, which you are willing to do in order to keep the alpha boyfriend happy so he doesn’t dump you for some other cupcake.

    Rule 3: Nothing is ever your fault. It is always a mistake that was caused by a man. Had an affair? Your husband’s fault for not giving you the gina tingles, or being away, or not making you feel sexy, etc. Made a mistake at work? Doesn’t matter how big it was, it was the patriarchy discriminating against you because you are a strong, independent, empowered woman. Had a car accident? It was the man’s fault for running that green light while you were busy posting that sexy selfie, making a facebook update, or texting that hot alpha that you want to bang. Whatever it is, look for a man to blame because you are perfect special snowflake and never do anything wrong.

    Rule 4: When enticing a man to enter into a relationship beyond a one night stand, become a chameleon and adopt whatever will get him interested. This can be hobbies, political outlook, sports, pretending to enjoy sex with him whenever he wants it, whatever makes him think you are special and he needs you in his life. You don’t have to do it anymore once his wallet is committed to you.

    Rule 5: Deny everything. Never admit to anything that might put you in a bad light or make you seem less than angelic. Even if caught red handed, always say “it isn’t what it looks like.” For example, your wallet walks in while your thug boyfriend is balls deep in you, just say “it isn’t what it looks like, I had just gotten out of the shower and was getting ready to use a bobby pin to put my hair up when I accidentally swallowed it and started choking on it. This nice man came in to give me the Heimlich maneuver, but that didn’t work, so he helpfully started trying to knock it out of me from behind.” Or your male boss catches you stealing from the till. “It isn’t what it looks like. I was putting the money up for safekeeping so some thief couldn’t steal it.” In short, come up with the most plausible excuse to cover for what you are doing. If they press the issue, change the subject. Scream and cry about how they don’t understand you, that it is that time of the month, that the world is just plain mean to women, etc.

    Rule 6: Never keep your promise once you get what you want. Men should be thankful that you even deigned them with acknowledgement because you are just so awesome. Their expectations of you keeping your promise is just tacky and gauche.

    Rule 7: Unless in wallet seeking mode, never give your vagina to a man who wants to please you, who listens to you, who is nice to you, etc. These men are only for use to get free stuff or do things for you. It is easier to manipulate them with the prospect that they might get “lucky” but always leave them with blue balls. If you give them your vagina, they might think they are in a relationship with you and that could make your use of them awkward.

    Rule 8: Always give your vagina to an alpha thug if he wants it, regardless of your relationship status. However, if you have a wallet at home, be discrete if you aren’t ready to lose it. These men will treat you like shit, never listen to you, don’t care about your feelings, and fuck skanks with abandon, but they are exciting, mysterious, and a bit (possibly a lot) dangerous, setting the old gina tingling. Gina tingles take precedence over everything so never resist them, just fuck the guy without a thought or care.

    Rule 9: Never have sympathy or empathy with your wallet. He is a tool, nothing more. If you divorce him, fuck him as hard as you can. Take as much of his stuff as you can, try to get most of his money, and minimize his time with any kids you might have had together. He is no longer worthy of your consideration or vagina. Doesn’t matter what he did for you in the past, it is just that, in the past. He is no longer useful except what you can squeeze out of him.

    Rule 10: Emotion trumps facts, logic, and science. It doesn’t matter what the facts are. It doesn’t matter what logic says. Even if they are uncouth enough to bring up science, it doesn’t matter. What you feel trumps everything. If they argue otherwise, throw a huge shit fit and bring up every grievance you can think of. What you want, how you want, and when you want should be all that matters.

    Rule 11: Never talk about Cupcake Club with men. They don’t need to know our secrets. It would be better for us if we kept them in the dark. Might be hard to get them to “man up” and marry us when we are ejected from the cock carousel with the baby rabies and hitting the wall.

    Rule 12 (initial concept courtesy centurion 2000): Once married, if the relationship isn’t going well, say you need some space. Move to a state that has draconian divorce laws, THEN pull the trigger. That way you can maximize your payout. As a bonus, if children are involved, you can minimize his interaction with his children since chances are lower that he will be able to move in order to be closer to them. Then you can tell him what a shitty father he is because he doesn’t see his children more.

    Rule 13 (initial concept courtesy toadman): There is no Cupcake Club, speaking amidst potential wallet-bait. However, if need be, you can bring it up obliquely if you are utilizing Rule 14 and hoping to convince your potential wallet that you are NAWALT. “Hey, baby, there might be Cupcake Club Rules out there, but I wouldn’t know anything about it because I’m NAWALT and nothing at all like those other women. Let me show you my shiny unicorn horn. By the way, how thick is that wallet you are going to share with me?” BUT, if you are not in wallet seeking mode, then “shut your hole, bitch! It’s our dirty little secret, ladies.”

    Rule 14 (initial concept courtesy DruidV): The NAWALT rule. If in wallet seeking mode, always say NAWALT and, if you can pull it off, act NAWALT. Men are desperately looking for NAWALTs so use it to your maximum advantage. Once you have convinced your potential wallet into believing he has found a unicorn it will encourage him to allow you to attach to his wallet. Once attached, you can drop the act and go back to AWALT as it will be too late for him to do anything about it. Acting like a NAWALT is the most effective strategy to land the wallet you have your sights set on.

    Rule 15: Regardless of how unattractive you are, whether looks, weight, personality, mentally, spriritually or a combination of them (all of them for our dear radical feminist sisters), you deserve a top 20% man. If however, you have to settle for a man among the less desirable 80%, settle for the man with the thickest wallet. That way when you dump him later on to pursue your top 20% man, you can maximize your cash and prizes. As a bonus, if you give birth during the marriage, the kids don’t necessarily have to be his, he just has to believe they are, you can increase your income stream even further, at least until the youngest turns 18, possibly even 26 depending upon circumstances. You don’t need to even spend any of that money on the kids, you can always gouge him for more. If he balks at buying whatever it is you want the kids to have, you can always tell him what a shitty father he is.

    Rule 16: Make sure you tell your kids what a terrible man and father the wallet is. You want to alienate them from the father so that they are yours to manipulate and exploit for your own goals. If you’re good at it, you can even use the kids to get even more money out of the father’s wallet. If the kids get the wrong idea that you might be the problem, they won’t be available for you to use and manipulate later in life and you might be left having cats to keep you company because the kids never come to visit you.

    Rule 17: Always bad mouth your exes to your potential wallet, telling him that they took advantage of you, were jerks, how you did everything while they did nothing, etc. Utilizing Rule 14 here would be a good idea to make it seem lucky that you are available. If you put on the NAWALT act well enough to earn an Oscar, he might even go into protector mode since he believes you got a raw deal from your exes and he won’t let that happen to you again. In this case, you will gain maximum exploitation rights as he’s willing to do anything for you to make sure you don’t get hurt again because he isn’t like those other guys and willing to prove it. As a bonus, you probably don’t have to sleep with him yet as he doesn’t get your motor running, and you want him to think that you’re a good girl, not a slut. But you might have to grease the trap sometime with sex because he does have a wallet you want to attach to and the fastest way to get attached is offering sex to a thirsty beta simp. At no time during the wallet dance do you want him to focus on how come all those other guys couldn’t make a relationship work with you, especially if you have several failed marriages under your belt. He might start to think the problem is with you and not the men. That is a disastrous line of thought when trying to land a wallet and must be stamped out at all costs. Afterwards, he can figure it out, but it will be too late by then.

    Rule 18: If you are in a social lull where the wallets aren’t currently interested in you and the bad boys are done pumping and dumping you for the moment, make sure you tell everyone how awesome being single is, that you enjoy it and don’t need a man around. Publically be happy and go lucky. If you have kids, make sure you let the men out there know how much they are missing by not being involved in a single mother’s life. This can be done on Facebook, Twitter, Blogs, etc. Behind the scenes, you can be as cynical, bitter, nasty, and miserable as you want, but keep it contained that only close girlfriends and family see it. Anyone else sees it, they might be scared away. The key is you will lure more wallets in with honey than vinegar. Wallets might think they’ll be getting all this good stuff you are projecting and might actually commit because they wrongfully believe the superficial is the reality. You might have to utilize Rule 14 extensively in order to get him to commit his wallet. Once that is done, you can go back to your cynical, miserable, nasty, bitter, bitchy self as it will be too late for the wallet.

    Rule 19: Jobs and money need to be handled by particular circumstances. In all cases, your money is yours to use as you see fit, he shouldn’t have any access to it. His money becomes our money and should be open for your use as well. All major expenses (cars, houses, vacations, remodeling, any other major expense) should be handled by his funds, regardless of who benefits from it. Here are the most common scenarios that occur.

    Rule 19a: If you have a job, spend every dime you make on clothes, makeup, trinkets, decorations, shoes, and other useless stuff. You want your wallet to think you’re broke so he takes on all the bills, leaving you free to spend your money on what you want. If he is ungallant and asks you to help pay some bills, throw a fit using Rule 10 how emotions, “I feel that I need my money to pay for all my useless stuff” trump facts and logic, like paying bills. If he is malicious and insists on you paying for at least some bills, chose the cheapest ones, like the cell phone, water, internet, phone, etc. Always pay them late so your wallet might take them back so they are paid on time. If he tries the evil ploy of having you give him the money for the bills so they can be paid on time, tell him no, that you don’t trust him and either you will pay the bills your way or he can pay for them himself. The object is to get him to take the bills back, freeing up more of your money to spend. If he is conscious of credit reports, he will more than likely start paying the bills out of his funds just to make sure they get paid on time. As a word of caution, be careful in paying the cell phone bill late as that might effect getting upgrades later, or even getting it turned off which will be mortifying socially, even by telling them your stupid wallet didn’t pay the bill on time. You will lose ground on gossip, the last fakebook updates, or miss the text from that hottie you are interested in banging. That might be one bill you pay on time to ensure there is no interruption to your social life. The benefit of this scenario is that you have your own stream of money that you can spend any way you want without having to answer any tacky questions like “where did it all go?” If it does get asked, response should be along the lines, “My pay to do whatever I please and I don’t have to justify it to you.

    Rule 19b: If you have landed a wallet and are currently working, consider dropping out of the workforce to be a stay at home wife. You can always tell your wallet it is in preparation of the children coming. Granted, you lose your income stream, but you hated that job anyway and would far prefer watching TV, going shopping, and hanging out with friends to doing boring work as it is unfulfilling. It also gives you opportunities to bring bad boy thugs back to your house to fill all your holes in the marital bed in complete privacy with no one the wiser, especially your wallet. Badger your wallet to make more so you have more to spend. If he balks, tell him how much work you do around the house, and how you are stuck there, and that actually you do $250K worth of work each year as calculated by some studies. He should be thankful you are home taking care of all these things. If he’s an asshole and points out how you do very few of these things, and the ones you do do are done poorly, utilize Rule 10 and tell him that he makes you feel bad about yourself and start crying and bringing up a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the conversation. Bonus if you can turn the conversation into his shortcomings so he will eventually cave as he doesn’t want to deal with it. Downside to this scenario is some men want to track where every dollar goes and might be so crass as to ask what we’re spending money on. Best response is to put them off by saying generalities like “I bought stuff for the house, etc.” The one dreaded outcome in this scenario is the wallet restricting the flow of funds which necessitates elevation to full BITCHCON1. Either the wallet folds and you get what you want or he is done with you, in which case you can kick him out of the house, prevent him from seeing his kids, and get all your cash and prizes. As a bonus, you can openly show off your alpha and publicly let him to come to your house to bang the shit out of you.

    Rule 20: Maybe the thugs you are bringing into your marital bed, or possibly banging in their run down, shitty apartment on the bad side of town will father your children and give them the attributes that turn you on. But the thug isn’t father material so make sure he doesn’t know that he’s the father as he might be tacky enough to want to be involved in the child’s life. He doesn’t understand that he was just for fucking and would make a terrible father. On the other hand, your wallet never finds out he isn’t the father of the children as he is just for raising and paying for them, not for fucking. You might fuck him once you are sure you’re pregnant and hoping to cover up the fact the kid isn’t his. This makes it so you get the children you want from the man you want and then get the wallet you want to pay for it all. Major cupcake coup.

    Rule 21: When all else fails, use shaming language. If a man or wallet you have your eye on doesn’t want to get with you, make sure you tell him that it is because he’s gay, has a small penis, lives in his mom’s basement, just a child and hasn’t grown up, refusing to grow up to accept adult responsibilities etc. Tell them they need to “man up” and marry you, not to be afraid of a strong, independent empowered woman who is a NAWALT.

    Rule 21a: Most wallets have started to become cunning and won’t let shaming language affect them. For those, you get society, the news, movies, and the public sphere feeding the same tropes in hope they will actually feel ashamed and start “manning up” by allowing women to attach to their wallets. Some will continue their avoidance and will have to be hunted down individually and eliminated before they spread any bad ideas about cupcakes out there.

    Rule 21b: Shaming a man, primarily an alpha thug, but anyone that gets our motor running and gina tingling usually doesn’t work. They will either laugh in our faces and move on to the next cupcake which is hurtful and makes you want them even more, that you try to convince them that you can do everything they want and make them happy, they just need to put a ring on it. Do the convincing with a lot of sex and nonconventional sex. Even if it doesn’t work, you got a lot of hot sex out of it. The other possibility is the alpha thug will get annoyed with your nagging, slap you around, and fuck you hard seven ways to Sunday and then laugh at you afterwards. You will be a quivering bowl of jello in his awesome presence. If you can’t get him to marry you, find a wallet for your financial needs and continue fucking him with abandon anytime you get the opportunity, possibly utilizing Rule 20.

    Rule number 22 always schedule your wallet date in a Saturday at 4 PM. Try to make your date a walk in the park, eating ice cream so your wallet thinks you are not materialistic. Then schedule the bad boy thug at 8 PM the same day so he can bang you until the next day.

    Instruct family & friends to vouch for your stories that all your former boyfriends were abusive bastards who were terrible to you.

    Instruct your mom & sisters to act like your a special virgin snowflake & never reveal how many guys you’ve really had around.


    • Janon
      October 16, 2014 at 9:00 pm

      seek help man… seriously… look at the fucking MANIFESTO you produced. now pick anyone you DO think is disturbed and read THEIR shit, no matter the topic. see the similarity?

      life isnt an mmorpg where human relations are broken down to stats, rules, algorithms and character sheets

      thste what you bro culture nudnicks cant seem to grasp

      • P Ray
        November 6, 2014 at 5:31 am

        Not taking the fall for a greedy grasping woman, is seen by “men who get their piece on the side” and “women who want a retirement plan” as just.
        Sorry, I won’t be cheated – and more men are starting to think that way.
        Your real “bro culture” is to get other men to pay for your pump and dumps.

      • P Ray
        January 31, 2015 at 12:27 am

        seek help man… seriously… look at the fucking MANIFESTO you produced. now pick anyone you DO think is disturbed and read THEIR shit, no matter the topic. see the similarity?

        thste what you bro culture nudnicks cant seem to grasp

        Sending people to “re-education” camps is exactly what repressive regimes do.
        Democracies are no different.
        Governments also have manifestos.

        life isnt an mmorpg where human relations are broken down to stats, rules, algorithms and character sheets

        It’s amazing how the “type of men that women SAY they were cheated by” is amazingly alike, therefore your statement is stupid.

        Also, you have poor reading comprehension – I didn’t write that, just passed it on.
        I suspect by your outburst, that it is true. Excellent 🙂

    • George
      November 19, 2015 at 11:02 am

      I grew up around women, eavesdropping on my mom’s conversations as well as grandmas and I can tell you that what you’ve written is 99% accurate, on every count. Sad thing is that women are not conciously aware of it, it is who they are. Ancient law makers were well aware of that phenomenon and ergo tough marital laws were placed as a deterent since a woman has no concept of justice or morality unless they are inculcated into her suboncious at a young age by strong authority figures. It is well known that women’s psyche rarely matures past the age of 18 and If given the total freedom they constantly seek, her dark side emerges like Dr. Jekyll’s abominable alter ego that makes most immoral man’s shenanigans look like boy scout pranks.

      I am a 42 years old mining engineer 6’1 tall, with all the trappings that those vultures find so alluring. I was thinking of settling down when one morning I had an epiphany. I did not start seeing escorts for no reason. I did a lot of soul searching, lot of thinking and finally saw the light – author of this blog is right, todays LTR-Marriage paradigm is a secular religion whose tenets ate reinforced by the conviction of its indoctrinated followers rather than based on empirical evidence.

      • P Ray
        November 19, 2015 at 1:05 pm

        Ancient law makers were well aware of that phenomenon and ergo tough marital laws were placed as a deterent since a woman has no concept of justice or morality unless they are inculcated into her suboncious at a young age by strong authority figures.

        Yep, and here’s a more recent scientific study:
        A 2006 experiment about justice served suggests that men, but not women, enjoy seeing “bad people” suffer. The study was designed to measure empathy, by watching which brain centers are stimulated when subjects inside an fMRI observe someone experiencing physical pain. Researchers expected that the brain’s empathy center of subjects would show more stimulation when those seen as “good” got an electric shock, than would occur if the shock was given to someone the subject had reason to consider “bad”. This was indeed the case, but for male subjects, the brain’s pleasure centers also lit up when someone got a shock that the male thought was “well-deserved”.

        Not to mention, women indiscriminately screwing around without building a family + alienating regular guys = social collapse, within a generation, because men will “see no payoff from playing by the rules”.

        Of course, women like to say “men are not entitled to anything” …
        the quick rejoinder is … “who provided the civilisation, tools, laws and conveniences for you to so shrilly shout that?”

  23. eve
    September 19, 2014 at 2:26 am

    This conversation is hilarious!!

    As a moderately attractive woman, who chooses not to be in a relationship, I will have sex with whomever I please [as long as they are willing 😉 ]. I really enjoy sex, with both men and women. I don’t consider myself to be ‘being used’, nor am I ‘using’ anyone. It’s simply a mutually beneficial situation. I don’t understand why men sometimes feel challenged by women who have had lots of sex. I don’t care how much sex a person has had, as long as they are hygienic.
    I find a range of people attractive, not just the traditionally accepted versions of attractiveness. I like skinny guys, skinny girls, and bigger girls. I like people for who they are too, so if someone who is considered hot is an asshole or stuck-up, I am generally not attracted to them. I am financially independent and it really pisses me of when guys just assume that’s what women want.
    Still never met a guy/girl who can make me come better than my own hand though 😦

    • Janon
      October 16, 2014 at 8:54 pm

      hun… dont bother… you’ve unfortunately found the bowels of “bro culture”. thus is the temple of the enraged misfit.

      ever see one of school shooting incidents and think “who the fuck ARE these lunatics???” well… here ya go

      • P Ray
        November 6, 2014 at 5:34 am

        Ever see one of those women going for abortion or alimony when they’re strong and independent, and think “who the f*ck are these lunatics, and those who support them?”
        well … there you go, Janon.

      • HayleyLaine
        September 18, 2015 at 3:35 am

        Preach it. Delusional assholes.

  24. SN Kjaerbaek
    September 27, 2014 at 9:23 am

    If women treat you like you are an asshole, it is because you are an asshole. It is the mirror talking back to you. Nobody likes an honest reflection. If that’s the case, avoid women and mirrors.

    Projecting a bit too much?

    • Janon
      October 16, 2014 at 8:57 pm

      spot… fucking… on. this kind if shit is evidee if where the internet can fail. every toxic, dysfunctional, warped personality can find a support system and confirmation bias rather than finding help

      • joesantus
        November 7, 2014 at 9:03 am

        As I reply to my shallow-thinking fellow US citizens who nationalistically cliche’, “Well, if you don’t like the way things are here, then move to another country!”…well, if you don’t like the idea of criticism, critique, or open examination of things, shouldn’t YOU be the one who “moves to another country”?

    • P Ray
      November 6, 2014 at 5:33 am

      If women were the honest ones, why do they get married only to be divorced later?
      After all, marriage is for life …
      and why do they lie about the number of sex partners they had?

      spot… fucking… on. this kind if shit is evidee if where the internet can fail. every toxic, dysfunctional, warped personality can find a support system and confirmation bias rather than finding help
      Funny, that’s the same line they talk in “re-education camps” where political dissidents are sent.
      You and the women and men who think like you, wouldn’t be part of that fascist system, would you?

  25. bestlayedplans
    May 7, 2015 at 10:35 am

    I honestly have to say, I KNOW the model types are pretty,and I’ve had sex with many different types of women.my mom called and asked if I could do a lab draw she missed on a,big black lady. Sure. My favorite I called and a guy answered and asked could I come later, she hadn’t shiwersd (like I care), so I say “sure, I’m in a parking lot in kck just waiting, let me know when she’ll be ready.blacl, white, Skinny, fat, pretty, ugly, tall short.
    Honest to gods truth, the best fuck I’ve ever had was with the ugliest woman I’ve ever fucked. I swear to god. Had the lights off, sure, low light, but didn’t change the fact I very likely would not have asked this gal out, and would have been embarrassed to be seen with her. But a great fuck? Oh yeah! She was the best. I often have wished over the years I had kept her as a fwb, instead of just a couple times thing. She was short, kinda fat. Fugly face. Fat ass. Great lay.
    I’ve had decent sex with “hot” women. Bad sex with okay women. None of it changes the fact that the hottest, and best sex was with what, by most standards, would be considered the ugliest…by far.
    The second best…….was the second ugliest, and the 3rd best, was her sister. So….the models, eh. They were okay. Masturbation might have been better.

  26. no
    June 5, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    Why, today, did I again see woman # 10,000,000, clothes filthy dirty, face dirty, unattractive face, with an obese body, tell the fast food worker “I have 3 kids”, while I, the buxom beautiful blonde, have no children and no marriage? Why. Just tell me how you can have sex with these women and stay married to them. There was her man, lurking around behind her. Always. Always. Don’t tell me you love these women;s personalities and caring nature. They are very loud in public, and if you loved their caring ways, you would love them, not have sex with them! Period. Will you stop lowering your standards??— on behalf of beautiful looking single women everywhere.

    • P Ray
      June 7, 2015 at 11:56 pm

      Beautiful single women are not competing for the attraction of average, regular men.
      They’re out there auditioning for the temporary job of cocksheath to the alpha badboy that other women are attracted to.
      If women think that “regular guys should pursue me, while I go after the real attractive guys”,
      the regular guys start to think
      “I will just be used by her to get close to the attractive guy, no dice”.

      Plus there is also the reality that “fat acceptance” is really “fat WOMAN acceptance”, have you seen women stand up for the rights of a fat man? (No, that dancing guy, unless he got sex from the women, he doesn’t count: Women use sex to validate the desirability of a man … that is why, a man who DOESN’T get sex in a relationship, is known as an “Average Frustrated Chump”.

  27. NISS X
    June 5, 2015 at 5:55 pm

    ..just saw two more tonight.. you know, while beautiful ‘hot’ me was WALKING by (that’s, right, walking miles every day). This one had a kid, of course. She was so big, she was pushed forward, and dressed in some awful, awful lycra pants 4 sizes too small and a shirt that looked like a white whale. Do you even look before going outside?! How can you outside looking like that?! And she, like all of them, was in a mcdonald’s. WHO has SEX with these pigs, and why??? Just tell me.. why. I give the best ever, so I have been told. I am sweet, so I have been told many times. So don’t tell me it’s sexual or their ‘personality’. Are these hideous looking women financially supporting you, is that it?? It has to be SOMETHING.. otherwise.. yes, men love to have sex with pigs, and pick up a stomach to move it out of the way to find the vagina. It is absolutely inexcusable.. we are not referring to ill people who have some disorder that causes them to look that fat, either. And butterfaces!!! : There is MUCH you can do to improve your appearance, and everyone knows that.


    The second (within a two block radius) were a typical very overweight couple, overweight to the point where you are waddling and doing that chest-thrust-forward-stomach thing. They were so loud, I can hear them across the street. Theory: Fat people keep fkkking other fat people because they can’t find anyone else interested in them?

  28. NISS X
    June 5, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    P.S. NO. The issue is: Beautiful women like us, size 2-size 6, long legs, long blonde hair, flawless cremy skin, cannot get ‘laid’!!! Because you all keep having sex with, and then marrying and staying married to, pigs!!!! And I don’t just mean their weight. Their hair, their faces, their CLOTHING.. all dirty and tight and aaawh.. enough already!!!

    • June 5, 2015 at 8:13 pm

      Chuck Rudd, stop trolling…

      Just because manboobs says Jenner is a womyn doesn’t mean we want your “mangina” the way Aaron Clarey and Jack Donovan did…

    • Coloradoskibunny
      January 17, 2016 at 6:38 pm

      A little full of yourself, aren’t you? I think being conceited is your issue.

  29. Debbie Marriner
    June 6, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    To the attractive single women who are confused why they can’t get laid. It’s called hypergamy. You fuck up, men fuck down. You are beautiful and want someone more beautiful, richer, nicer, cleverer etc… Lower your standards and you will get laid, married, have kids etc…

    • P Ray
      June 7, 2015 at 11:46 pm

      What you’ve said is very logical and right – and if you put that into practice getting a lasting and loving mutually-satisfying relationship, congratulations.
      Unfortunately, most women are not logical,
      but men with their idealism, don’t realise that.
      Also, there is the truth that women, tailor their behaviour towards the men they’re with.
      If he’s very attractive to other women, she’ll be reasonable.
      If he’s NOT very attractive to other women, she’ll be a slavedriver.
      He better check if their kids are his, ref “Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks”.
      Also worth reading “Dread game”: women don’t appreciate the man they have UNTIL they are at an age where they awaken to the idea that the “in-out” isn’t a commitment.

  30. Jessa
    June 16, 2015 at 8:09 am

    I dont get it I never will….men say they want slim attractive woman that takes care of themselves.. but they go with the complete opposite…..fat,unkept, ungroomed slovenly..how could they have sex with that??

    • joesantus
      June 17, 2015 at 6:31 am

      Well, some of us WON’T have sex with fat, unkempt slobs (myself, I wouldn’t even get aroused enough to be able to close my eyes and fantasize about someone else).

      But for some guys, it’s because they’ll settle for anything they can get if they can’t get their ideal. For them, it’s like feeling starved but having no money, so eating out of a garbage dumpster because they can’t afford their favorite restaurant.

  31. Michael A.
    July 20, 2015 at 6:52 pm

    The part about personalities is not true. I have met more bitchy women that are society’s standard of beautiful/pretty than “fat or ugly” women. The bitchy beautiful women act as such because they feel they can get away with it, due to their “beauty”. They can’t though. There are people out there that don’t stand for this kind of shit. I’m one of many. I will leave it at that. Good day to you all. I hope this will open some people’s minds a little.

    • Jay Fink
      August 10, 2017 at 5:25 pm

      I have found just the opposite. Pretty women tend to have good personalities while unattractive women tend to have damaged goods personalities.

  32. Dunno
    July 28, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    i went through a phase of wanting to sleep with chubbier not particularly good looking older women when I was about 19. I met a number of them and the sex was amazing. I found it easier to talk to them and practice my flirting skills. Worked quite often

  33. David blunt
    August 5, 2015 at 11:52 am

    Yes, men can enjoy sex with fat women. As a matter of fact, I just had sex with a fat woman. The way her vagina was caressing my penis, despite the fact I was wearing a condom was very nice. Its not how her body is shaped that matters but the chemistry between you two. I try to be vocally expressive in bed. It helps me orgasm easier

  34. Mark jones
    August 9, 2015 at 10:28 am

    I’ve had sex with pretty women that I did not enjoy and fat women that rocked. I’ve been with more fat chicks that squirt than skinny ones.

  35. Rachel kearns
    August 28, 2015 at 10:05 am

    I can tel u frm experience myself, i had 2 guys on the go in the 90s, one look like a moviestar nice lookn, built BORING IN BED, the utha was nerdy ugly and GREAT in bed, i couldnt and wouldnt giv him up, an caus i was a looker, the ugly guy dropd me, i was like u cant do that 2 me, but…duh me thought, i startd 2 get feelins 4 him, oh god did that teach me a lesson, so ppl, each 2 his own.

  36. regretful guy
    September 27, 2015 at 3:55 am

    Was looking for an article like this as your boy just had a regretful night where he just realized that the chick wasn’t close to pretty..so much regrets I’d rather have just gone to bed, I blame it on the alcohol..

    • September 27, 2015 at 7:03 am

      Hahaha. That happens when “dry spells” and alcohol occurs

  37. Simon green
    October 23, 2015 at 5:17 pm

    All women are beautiful size and looks are not an issue be who you are and someone will love you

    • joesantus
      October 23, 2015 at 5:54 pm

      “…be who you are and someone will love you…”

      Maybe, but are you claiming that some cosmic law exists which GUARANTEES someone will then “love you” (however it is you personally define “love”)?

      And, how far does “be who you are ” go? is it okay, then, for someone born with the tendency to then live as a serial killer who gets off by slowly torture-killing prepubescents?

      As far as how this idea of “be who you are” concerns PHYSICAL attractiveness…Reality is, that, although there is a range and not one specific mold which the human species — both males and females — finds physically attractive; and, although humans sort out along the typical bell curve when that range is applied; nevertheless there IS a definite range within which humans are judged “physically attractive”.

      That means that, while some anomalous person probably exists outside the majority, the majority does not find a person who is 375 pounds of belly and has one eye in the center of the forehead to be “physically attractive”. Nature seems to have designed humans to be physically attracted to individuals whose looks evidence health and healthy genetics — and those attributes generally occur in individuals who fall within that range which humans find “physically attractive”.

  38. Coloradoskibunny
    January 17, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    Need some opinions here. I’m in my mid 40’s so is my BF. I’m in awesome shape, very attractive and very out going. Found out BF cheated on me with a f’ugly. No where near good looking. It was happening on and off since we’ve been dating for about four years. It wasn’t because the sex was better. He did when he became very angry at me. Now boyfriend is very handsome and quite honestly am still confused why he chose to fuck that sour yogurt cavity than find an attractive woman!? Not happy he cheated. I guess if he would’ve screwed something that was decent to look at, I would’ve been in worse shape. But I asked him how the hell did he get it up and he came up with lots of different stories. One story that he was pretending to masturbate. I can’t say for sure he cheated all the time when he was pissed at me because I had found sexting on his phone and half naked pix of her too when things were great in paradise. Our sex life is not boring by all means. We have a lot of variety, creativity and mostly get an awesome workout. So really guys, I don’t get it. She obviously gave him something to keep coming back to her.

    • January 17, 2016 at 7:05 pm

      if you are willing, to, ah, compensate me for my time, but not, um anything else that may happen between two consenting adults….

      …and if you have a test showing no STD’s…

      ….well, let’s just say, I can help you even the score….

  39. Equilibre
    April 29, 2016 at 7:19 am

    In my experience its not that easy. Of course that its a good incentive having sex with a good looking girl. But its over rated in my pov. Ive fucked super hot girls and eventhough they were hot at hell the sex was boring. In my opinion its all about dominance and the attitude of the woman in turn. Its complementary because if she is ugly, no matter how much attitude she has, it will suck.

    • Coloradoskibunny
      April 29, 2016 at 9:52 am

      Its complementary because if she is ugly, no matter how much attitude she has, it will suck.”

      You mean the sex will suck? That’s where the confusion lies. I don’t get it! Unless she gave one hell of a BJ, then I can see him coming back to her on regular basis. OK forgive me for asking such a stupid question..but if the sex is hot with his sig other, why would a man still go to a woman whose face is butt ugly,roots coming in a different color (gray) and has cottage cheese for thighs, obviously dyed hair with the and big floppy boobs??? Attitude? Confidence? Damn it, I have all of that! Well, until I found out! Yes, my confidence shifted a bit because I just can’t understand the mentality of this whole thing! I’m sorry, but I can’t have sex with a guy who I’m not nearly attracted to! I don’t care how big his package is and how great he gives oral…Ewwww!!! We can go on and on about attraction and how over time guys might see past that, maybe that was it.But, I know this was not an emotional thing either because I read the emails. The dumb ass couldn’t see she was being used.. to a degree. (Hah) As I did state in the beginning, he did cheat on me when he was pissed at me. So in turn, could that be a dominance thing, to me??? And they say women are complicated…pffth!

      • George
        April 29, 2016 at 10:23 am

        Problem is that women have absolutely no idea what they are attracted to. Any shmuck that can make her feel sexy is in. Women respond to men who make them feel a certain way – it is narcisism at it’s core. Whenever I hear woman talk about attraction I just chuckle. With us blokes we know exactly what we want.

  40. May 14, 2016 at 3:27 am

    I feel like im pretty but my man cheated on me with a fat girl and it broke my heart she has alot more than me she has a car and money please help me understand

  41. P Ray
    July 12, 2016 at 3:01 am

    Posting this comment here for posterity since it took a long time to track down and is sure to raise the ire of feminists:
    “03-15-2004, 08:33 AM #2
    Biznatch Hadhersnatch Biznatch Hadhersnatch is offline
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    99% of American women are not worth marrying.
    99.9% of the single women in this country are not worth marrying:

    Take away the women beyond the marriageable age (over 30).
    Take away the fat women.
    Take away the ugly women.
    Take away the psycho Zoloft / Prozac women.
    Take away the raped women.
    Take away the women with STDs / HIV.
    Take away the women who can’t cook.
    Take away the women who already have kids.

    And you’ve eliminated 99.9% of the single women in this country.

    Not only that, but the majority of American women have Histrionic and
    Narcissistic disorders.

    Histrionic disorder: manipulative, attention seekers, dominate the
    conversation, use grandiose language, seek constant praise, dress
    provocatively, exaggerate illnesses in order to gain attention,
    exaggerate friendships and relationships, believe that everyone loves

    Narcissistic disorder: self-centered, seek attention and praise, take
    advantage of people, fantasize about success and power, expect favorable
    treatment, exaggerate achievements, have difficulty maintaining
    long-lasting relationships, expect others to recognize them as being

    Many American women also have Dependent, Obsessive-Compulsive, and
    Borderline disorders.


    • P Ray
      March 21, 2020 at 5:34 am

      By the way, the quote above beginning with the words “99% of American women are not worth marrying.” can no longer be found online.

      That means effectively, that Google’s publicly accessible search database, only goes back, at best a maximum of 15 years.

      And with the right to privacy being enforced, an amazing amount of charismatic criminals are going to be able to have sex and breed … because “the past is the past”.

      The future is truly going to be interesting indeed.

  42. Marshall
    November 12, 2016 at 10:39 am

    I’m 34yrs blkman, looking for fun must be able to deepthroater long 9″in cock &make a (ok sign wit ur hand )that is grith size of my cock ,while doing the (my favorite position is 69 because I’m very orally & u must deepthroater my long until Cumming

  43. Fuckurmum
    November 17, 2016 at 5:47 pm


  44. Dave
    November 24, 2016 at 3:57 am

    The only way to fuck a fat chick is behind

  45. November 24, 2016 at 7:30 am

    Most men I have met always want me to bounce on them, bend over or on all 4s

  46. Peter
    December 1, 2016 at 8:47 am

    Dude, one of my fat fuck friends fucked even a fatter fuck. When asked why he fucked it, he simply said that he had no fucking idea. He didn’t want to fuck her again, which they could only kinda fuck in doggy-style, but he didn’t exactly regret the fuck either. It was a fucking mess. Just imagine these two fat fucks: the dude is giving full effort into jamming his micropenis into fat rolls where there supposedly is a vagina. Fucking a sweaty fat roll repeatedly probably feels the same as a fat vagina. To your point, a wet washcloth would be infinitely better. The fatter fuck girl obviously has motive, but I just don’t fucking get the dude’s fucking motive.

    • P Ray
      December 3, 2016 at 12:32 am

      Probably the feeling of superiority of getting a fuck for free, from a woman (nevermind how attractive).

      That’s why “settling” in a relationship or to “get” a relationship, has grave repercussions. Any improvement in your life condition will make you painfully aware that you are now tethered to a hippo. And if you are a man, the hungry hungry hippos have the right to make off with half your assets.

      Someone else said it best about marriage in the U.S.:
      “If she cheats on me, she gets half. If I cheat on her, she gets half”.

    • P Ray
      December 23, 2020 at 4:24 am

      Artist’s recreation of pussyless men who have come around to the thinking “A pussy is a pussy”:

  47. Dani
    February 24, 2017 at 4:18 am

    Guys it works both ways huh!! I consider myself average looking, ive been with hot guys ive been with gruntas. For me its the guys personality that gets me into bed. Sex isn’t about what u look like……is it??

    • February 24, 2017 at 9:42 am

      “Sex isn’t about what u look like……is it??”

      Answer the following to yourself: if a guy is 4 feet tall, has 75 pounds of belly, constantly drools, has two black front teeth, has only one eye in the middle of his forehead, has hair growing a couple inches out of his nostrils and ears, and two large warts on his upper lip — would you have sex with him?

  48. April 12, 2017 at 5:13 am

    Men dont care wat women look like n there is a sayin pussy gots no face.

    • April 12, 2017 at 6:01 am

      SOME men don’t care what women look like, but plenty of us men definitely do care and don’t want a pussy that isn’t attached to an attractive face.

    • P Ray
      April 12, 2017 at 8:04 pm

      Fleshlights are the pussy with no face. I also hear they don’t need to go on a date first or interrogate about your income.

  49. April 12, 2017 at 5:28 am

    Men fuck anythin n a dayin pussy gots no face

    • April 12, 2017 at 6:04 am

      SOME men might fuck anything, but plenty of us men definitely don’t want a pussy that isn’t attached to an attractive body and attractive face.

    • P Ray
      April 12, 2017 at 8:05 pm

      Fleshlights are the pussy with no face. I also hear they don’t need to go on a date first or interrogate about your income.
      Plus there’s no interfering female friends or “approval by coven(of witches)” needed.

  50. Garth
    April 24, 2017 at 2:48 am

    i need sex too much. I’m 30 years having big anaconda.

  51. Garth
    April 24, 2017 at 2:56 am

    as long as the woman is not sick but must be clean blacks or white in colour

  52. Libertarians are subhumans
    May 29, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    Great article,mad props to you mate.

  53. Janet
    July 22, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    I disagree 100%. It’s honestly rude to categorize people as “ugly” and “fat” -anyways. Doesn’t matter what you look like—that doesn’t change your abilities and your personality . So the stuff about prettier women or people have better personalities than “fat” or “ugly” is repulsively untrue. Stop.

    • July 22, 2017 at 4:42 pm

      Doesn’t matter whether you disagree or not, JANET — you’re arguing with human instincts and biology for what humans find physically attractive in potential reproductive mates.

      While genes for physical appearance certainly don’t also set genes for a person’s personality and/or abiities, they do ultimately affect abilities and personalities — for example, above-average height enables certain abilities that below-average height doesn’t, and, a person’s awareness of her/his level of attractiveness can affect that person’s personality. It might be regrettable, but genes establishing each person’s level physical attractiveness most definitely matter.

      The way you wish it was could only be possible if our innate wiring for determining reproductive fitness in potential mates could either be switched off or placed totally under the control of pure rational thought — neither of which is currently possible for humans.

  54. Mike
    August 26, 2017 at 7:43 am

    My experience with ugly or fat women is somewhat different. Whenever it happened they where really open and horny, whereas with more attractive women they tended to be more prude. It’s like ugly women where really happy to be having sex with me and where grateful for it but beautiful saw it like they were doing me a favor, so I had to work extra for it. That besides the fact that beautiful women kinda put me off, for those reasons, but with ugly women I know they are gonna be whores and sluts in bed. Of course it would be ideal to find a beautiful woman that’s also a slut in bed, but it hasn’t happened for me.

  55. P Ray
    March 21, 2020 at 5:24 am

    Remember, as the great joke goes … the greatest turn-off for sex is the wedding cake!

    Also these truisms:
    [–]xxx 19 points 11 hours ago
    Being a woman means you don’t need to do anything to fix a relationship.. it’s up to the man to do everything in his power in the hope of a few crumbs

    [–]xxx Hamster Analyst 9 points 6 hours ago
    If she’s uninterested in sex: It must be his fault. He’s “taking her for granted”, i.e. not spending enough time and/or money on her. He’s not doing household chores or looking after the kids enough. He’s not lavishing enough non-sexual affection on her. etc. The poor women is under so much pressure to be sexual when she just doesn’t want to. That’s abuse!

    If he’s uninterested in sex: It must be his fault. Perhaps he has some medical problem he’s neglecting, low testosterone maybe. Or he’s “addicted at porn”. According to many women, looking at porn even occasionally will shut down your interest in sex. The poor woman is being emotionally damaged by being denied affection. That’s abuse!

    Women are never to blame for anything bad in a relationship. /sarcasm

  56. P Ray
    April 1, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    Great comment: I put forward that even if you ASCENDED and gained a landwhale, the narrative and experience would be akin to rearing a child* single handedly, this is the level of SIMPERY required to maintain this witch’s EGO and stop her pissing off with CHAD MCBIGBALLS.

    Think about it, these people like a child need:



    *Except a child eventually grows up and goes away to bother betabux and Chad.

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