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What I Really Think About Human Beings as a Species: 5

In the previous post of this series, I put forth an idea on what might be the real factor underlying religious zealotry.

They just want an excuse to screw over somebody else while simultaneously feeling righteous about doing it.

I have also hinted at this idea in one of my older standalone post. Note that this rationale is not unique to traditional religions and can be seen among ardent followers of secular religions such as communism and capitalism- well, pretty much every single ideology. Here are a few examples of what I am talking about..

Many devout Christians believe in concepts like heaven and hell, but have you ever met somebody with any evidence of their existence? Isn’t it odd that a drug like DMT provides a far more realistic spiritual experience than a lifetime of studying the bible and praying to an entity nobody in their right mind has ever seen? Why was the belief of people in a christian god almost always rewarded with drudgery, poverty, disease and incessant wars? But far more importantly, was everybody always too stupid to realize that there was no god? And why are evangelicals who claim personal communication with god so preachy about the sexual lives and behaviors of other people while indulging in those very same behaviors themselves? Why are overtly devout Christians not interested in solving problems that might actually improve the lives of their fellow human beings? Why devote so much mental energy to something that has never provided any material benefit?

Now let us turn to Islam. Isn’t it odd that so many of its followers obsess about supposed insults to their prophet even when doing so has no positive material effects on their pathetic lives? Does their beliefs put more (and better) food on their table? What about reducing infant mortality and morbidity? Does their god put indoor plumbing in the houses of believers? Does he provide them with electric power, air conditioners and HDTVs? Does fidelity to that belief system result in the faithful getting free high-end sports cars and SUVS? Did their god or prophet even instruct them to purify drinking water by boiling it? Isn’t it therefore a bit odd that so many of the believers of that belief system are willing defend the “honor” of an entity who has not manifested himself- let alone benefited his vocal followers to the extent of even a single slice of pizza?

Hinduism is no better. Has belief in any part of Hinduism resulted in the spontaneous appearance of even a single morsel of edible food. Has belief in any part of Hinduism improved the quality of drinking water, general sanitation or somehow reduced the spread of any infectious diseases? Has it improved the general health, life expectancy or life quality of its believers? Has belief in any part of the caste system improved the lives of its believers? Is there anything in Hinduism beyond stupid rules about caste, ritual pollution and some bullshit stories. I should point out that other religions are no better in that respect. Isn’t it odd that most followers of this supposedly spiritual religion are among the most greedy, deceptive and selfish assholes you will ever have the misfortune of meeting. Then there is the peculiar problem of how a mostly illiterate people can maintain fidelity to a religion whose texts were and are still mostly unavailable or nonexistent.

Secular religions are no different. How many people who defend capitalism (especially financialism) have actually benefited from it pre-WW2 pure form? Note the choice of words “actually benefited from it” as opposed to “barely managed to survived under it”. What about libertarianism? Have you seen real life examples of the scenarios described in Ayn Rand’s fairy tales? The same holds for state communism- though to a lesser degree as it did actually benefit (at least initially) most of those who lived under it. My point is that followers of secular religions display the same outcome blindness as those who believe in traditional regions.

But why are the vast majority of devout followers of any religion, traditional or secular, so blind to the outcome of their beliefs? Why are they so persistent in their beliefs- especially in the complete absence of validation of those beliefs. Why would they willingly and enthusiastically structure their lives around beliefs that offer no measurable utility? Even a normal 8-year old child understands that people who habitually renege on their end of the deal are untrustworthy. Yet most adults exhibit great certainty about the existence of an invisible all-powerful friend who has never made a single slice of pizza materialize before them. One possibility is that most adults are stupider than an average 8-year old. It is also possible that belief in god, religion and ideology is a defense mechanism against nihilism and the fear of uncertainty. However neither of the previous two explanations account for the central, and most important, feature of all traditional and secular religions.

The one common feature of all religions, traditional or secular, is unrelated to belief. It is about what they seek to rationalize and justify. All religions and popular ideologies are about rationalizing and sanctifying the abuse, robbery, murder and coercion of others. Initially they seek to do that to those who don’t believe in their fairy tales. However sooner or later, they run out of unbelievers and turn on themselves and start persecuting their less-faithful members. That is the real reason why religions that gain followers (such as islam, capitalism) become more extreme as they do so.

Will write more about this connection in the upcoming part of the series.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. blurkel
    August 11, 2014 at 2:32 pm

    “All religions and popular ideologies are about rationalizing and sanctifying the abuse, robbery, murder and coercion of others.”

    Indeed. We are seeing this in the pronouncements of corporations in regard to their customers and employees. Corporate executives increasingly act as if they own their customers and employees, and can do with them as they wish without interference. And, because customers and employees are running out of assets, the early signs of corporate dog eating corporate dog (more commonly called mergers) are underway. Fewer choices also means fewer competitors, raising the victor’s spoils to greater amounts.

    And the devil take the losers, as the winners couldn’t care less.

    • P Ray
      August 11, 2014 at 2:52 pm

      In many cases, “the company is supposed to become your religion, your CEO is your new Messiah”, i.e. “work for less than minimum wage, you MAY get promoted in future, if that doesn’t happen and you are disappointed: you are not and never will be a team player”(sounds like women saying a nice guy who is fed up “was never nice to begin with”).
      After the success of credit-stealer and psychopath extraordinaire Steve Jobs, corporations are increasingly seeing more of these lying gloryhounds at the head.
      … because, people always have to buy something from someone, so why not a corporation, “after all, they give good service, otherwise they would not be so big, right?”(stupid fallacy #1)

  2. doclove
    August 11, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    Advocatus Diaboli
    I agree that many people use religion to abuse others.be they traditional or secular. However, Christian civilization produced better results in the past 500 years than anything else, and it started with a breaking Roman Pagan and Jewish world 2000 years ago and a broken Roman Pagan world 1500 years ago. It is harder to build and rebuild than it is to destroy. I know Christian civilization has not been perfect and some real terrible stupid things have occured under it. At least you think all traditional religions are equally bad and aren’t specifically a Christian hater which nakes you better than the anti-Christian idiots, Communism has killed, terrorized and tormented more people than any other ideology. Human beings as a general rule are idiots and have a tendency to harm eachother for fun and no tangible material benefit, but there are better and worse ideologies to follow.

    • doclove
      August 11, 2014 at 4:11 pm

      Communism is the worst ideology to follow.

      • doclove
        August 11, 2014 at 4:21 pm

        When it comes to human beings, one must look for an ideology that is for assinine idiotic humans who like to harm others for no good reason at all. The best at reducing this tendency has been 1) Christianity, to a lesser extent 2) paleo-conservative Libertarianism and to even lesser extent 3 ) mainstream conservatism. Humans still act foolishly and harm each other but to a lesser extent. Nothing else has proven itself better than these three.

    • Dave
      August 12, 2014 at 8:16 am

      Wrong wrong wrong. For most of its 2000 year history, Christians have been as bad as the current ISIS wackos in the Middle East. It was only after people started moving away from Christianity and becoming more secular that Christian nations developed a modicum of reasonable behavior.
      Communism (at least what passes for Communism) is just another centralized State and can be lumped in with the Capitalist states (like the USA) – and they all like to exterminate people. Though I suspect the difference between the modern Corporate States and the ancient world is one of technology. Human behavior has not changed over the years, just our ability to be more efficient at our craziness.
      Libertarianism is just another ideology that appeals to the terminally brain dead, just as crazy as Capitalism, Communism, Christianity, Islam, etc.

      • doclove
        August 12, 2014 at 8:42 pm

        For the first 300 years, Christianity was in danger of being exterminated off the Earth by most Jews as they believed it to be a horrible blasphemous heresy of Judaism and by the Romans because they wanted Judaism contained and only left to racial and ethnic Jews because Christians asked both Jews and Gentiles to join their religion. If you wish to say that Christianity became something horrible after Constantine the Great converted in the 300s A.D., then I will partially concede your point because even a centralized Christian state has urges to kill people it doesn’t like. Other ideologies and religions have proven to be worse. Many rulers of many different lands were more warlike and less tolerant than Constantine the Great. If you mean that people becoming more secular to become Nazi and even worse Communists that people became better behaved, well there are tens of millions upon tens of millions of dead bodies to prove you wrong. Nazis were particularly bad to Jews and Gypsies while being less so to Christians and Gentiles, but Communists were worse to Christians and Gentiles plus they killed more millions of people by far than the Nazis. Nice try, but you failed.

  3. August 11, 2014 at 5:38 pm

    you forgot the greatest religion of them all, studmuffin–feminism….

    do you think I actually believe in teh patriarchy? no, I just say it to get me laid and also bash low status men and also make excuses for being morbidly obese…

  4. Isaac
    August 11, 2014 at 11:25 pm

    This series of posts really started me thinking. I didn’t notice it before because I had some confidence left in humanity. But once you see that the main driving force behind all those stupid rules and general human -even biologic- behavior is the enjoyment of bullying others you can’t see past it. Once you see it the pieces of the jigsaw fall into place.

    People even prefer bullying others before they take care of their OWN needs. The force is that strong. Why am I on the bottom of the ladder fucking far hotter females than my boss who is married to a landwhale and commutes 2 hours to work from suburbia in traffic jams? Why do I check out at 18h to home while my boss sits until 20h-21h in stupid meetings stroking the ego of other managers? Managers who have no life except the bubble of the company? They prefer to bully the employees before to take care of their own life? That powertrip must be huge.

    The only difference I see is that the ones at the top DO have children. Ugly children, but they DO have them. And those children stay at the top. The ones at the bottom have not that many children and if they have children they are weak, destined to stay at the bottom of society.

  5. Jack
    August 12, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    When people are in a religion and they hear outsiders say religion is really about power and control it does not make sense to them. It usually takes someone in a religion having a negative event where they personally experience being controlled, or watch other members of the religion doing harmful things. Many people in a religion think the religion cares about them, but just say out loud something that you disagree with in the religion and watch how fast they start attacking you, and then you will see they only care about imposing their incorrect beliefs onto everyone else and they do not really care about you. Most people in religions, especially at the top, are extremely self-righteous because in their view if they are right and others are wrong then they therefore have more power and thus the self-appointed justification to impose their beliefs onto others to control others, so they feel superior and that because of their religion they feel they have more power. Politicians often use religion to make themselves appear that they have the right policies based on their religion, thus they are superior and have more self-proclaimed power over people. I’ve been in tax exempt churches that brainwash people telling them what beliefs they “must” have and tell people who to vote for. I’ve seen priests and pastors manipulatively appear to be so nice, and then use guilt trips on members so they put more money in the collection so they can buy a new car and new house. I’ve had priests tell me and others to not look at or touch girls because that is for marriage only, and then find out years later some of them were abusing little boys. There are situations around the world and billions of dollars wasted and human energy that could have been reallocated into beneficial things wasted every year because of religious conflicts. Media propaganda promotes religious beliefs daily. Many laws are based on incorrect religious beliefs. For a while I thought the world was becoming more secular, but now it seems that there might be an increase in extreme politics rooted in extreme religion. It doesn’t seem that religions will go away, and it seems maybe more people are joining extreme religions. Will religions continue to expand and control the world, or will religions destroy themselves (and much of the world with them)?

    • P Ray
      August 12, 2014 at 4:51 pm

      That’s why “organised religion” is a sham, because in many cases …
      only the managers (i.e. the priests or “chosen people”) benefit in an organisation.

  6. Aco
    August 12, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    “Have you seen real life examples of the scenarios described in Ayn Rand’s fairy tales?” Compare her Starnsville to real life Detroit.

    And we know that because the USA is race-blind meritocratic society, as opposed to one based upon genocide, slavery and exploitation.

    • Aco
      August 12, 2014 at 3:05 pm

      You asked for examples. Maybe you meant excuses.

      I see people for what they really are- not what they want to be seen as.

  7. August 12, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    “And we know that because the USA is race-blind meritocratic society, as opposed to one based upon genocide, slavery and exploitation.”

    hey, y’know, here’s just a theory…

    maybe Chuck Ross and all the other race realist HBD’ers are closet homosexuals and all the Philosophising is just to cover their tracks…


    • August 12, 2014 at 5:35 pm

      LOL – I’m no fan of Robert Lindsay. But he does have a point in that particular topic. But it’s been this way for centuries…

    • Stoner With A Boner Up His Ass - Closet Homo Extraordinare™
      August 13, 2014 at 2:21 am

      According to the General Social Survey (1972-2012), about 6% of white men and 8% of black men have had sex with men. It confirms all my personal experiences:

      • August 13, 2014 at 4:21 pm

        plaquey, you never change…

        good thing “encounters” with jack don-0-van and chuck rudd don’t cause pregnancies, you neofatalist…

    • August 13, 2014 at 3:35 pm

      lmao…funny thing. a post over on TRP subreddit riled up the bunch and was deleted. it was about a guy taking back his girlfriend after she cheated on him with 12 black guys at once…pictures and videos were posted. the supposed alpha males were getting all pissy and the mods deleted it…poor cuckolds.

      • August 13, 2014 at 4:46 pm

        That’s become very common among white women, be they trashy-types or the suburbanite/city types. But 12 guys at the same time? I’ve witnessed 3 and heard about 5, but 12? That’s beyond a gangbang… That’s more like half of a damned NFL team. But I did hear one flabby BBW white chick say that after her kids turn 18 and move out, her dream was to be gangbanged by 1 dozen “BBCs” as a way to relieve herself of so much stress and pent-up sexual frustration.

  8. sth_txs
    August 13, 2014 at 7:08 am

    Notice that ad did not include his moronic socialist beliefs in this post. Most of my fellow humans are garbage like ad.

    • Great Grimoires For Masons
      August 13, 2014 at 7:56 am

      This is what the fate will be of human garbage like AD:

  1. August 13, 2014 at 4:18 pm

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