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Some Thoughts on the San Bernardino Mass Shooting: Dec 3, 2015

As many of you might have heard, a Muslim husband-wife “team” shot up an office Christmas party in San Bernardino yesterday. While we still lack enough information to understand their precise motivations, currently available evidence suggests that the religious beliefs of shooters played a major role in their decision to do what they did. Having said that- this particular incident raises some interesting, and as yet unanswered, questions.

Question 1: What drove Syed Rizwan Farook to shoot up his own office Christmas Party? and why his own office Christmas Party?

Syed Farook was an US born 28-year old guy with a stable and well paid job with the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health for five years prior to the shooting. There is, currently, no evidence that he had any prior history of mental health issues or a significant criminal record. He also had no history of aggressively proselytizing his religion or expressing hatred for non-believers. By all accounts he was a quiet, polite and otherwise normal co-worker. There is also no evidence that his job or career was in any jeopardy. Perhaps most significantly, he was not on any watch-list for potential terrorists or religious radicals.

How does a guy with such a benign and unassuming profile go about shooting up his own office Christmas party? Why would this guy build an arsenal of pipe bombs and improvised explosive devices in his house? Shooting up a large group of people is not the result of a momentary lapse of mind. What would get a married guy with a 6-month old daughter and a decent and stable job to harbor such deep-seated resentment against people he worked with? What was in it for him?

Question 2: What was the role of his wife and co-shooter, Tashfeen Malik, in the shootings? Why was she so willing to participate?

It is no secret that the perpetrators of mass shootings are almost always male. The active participation of his wife in this mass shooting does therefore raise the next big question- What was in it for her? This is especially so because she had a 6-month old baby daughter. There is also no evidence that she neglected or abused her daughter. So what makes a 27-year old university-educated woman with a 6-month old daughter leave her daughter with the grandparents and go on a shooting spree with her husband?

There is also the question about the exact circumstances under which she first met her husband. While currently available information suggests that she met him online, we still don’t know where exactly they first crossed paths. Where does a supposedly devout Muslim woman living in Saudi Arabia meet a guy living in Southern California? What were the shared interests that initially brought them together. At this moment, we simply don’t know enough about the backstory of this couple.

Question 3: Why did they chose to shoot up his office Christmas party? What made it a more attractive target than a mall, theater or concert?

Terrorists tend to kill people in a manner that results in the maximum casualties as well as the maximum media exposure. Given their proximity to the Los Angeles metropolitan area which is far richer in soft targets, it is odd that they chose a venue with relatively fewer (70-80) people. I am actually surprised that they did not go on multiple shooting sprees in the LA metropolitan area- especially since they had more than enough ammunition to kill many more people. What made shooting up the office Christmas party more attractive than killing more at other venues?

Question 4: How much did their family and friends really know about their plans? Were they in contact with similar minded people in that part of the country?

Most of you have probably seen his relatives say something to the effect that they had no idea he was so radicalized. But is that really the case? It is clear that he was on good terms with more than a few of his close relatives. Did they really not notice that he was building pipe bombs in his townhouse and garage? Did they really not notice that he was making multiple improvised explosive devices in his house? Then there is the question of whether he was working with like-minded people in that part of California. Why would he make so many explosive devices for his own killing spree? Could more than a few of those devices have been made for some of his like-minded friends?

Question 5: Why is there no internet manifesto or video explaining his motivations for doing what he did? And what is the reason behind the couple destroying their smartphones and computer hard drives before embarking on their shooting spree?

As many of you know, mass shooters often leave behind some sort of written manifesto or video explaining what drive them to do what they did. So why did this couple not do so? This is especially puzzling as there are reports of them recording the mass shooting with GoPro-type body cameras. Why record something if you don’t want to share it with others? Or.. have they already sent that video to somebody in another country? Also, why destroy their smartphones and hide (and or destroy) the hard drives in their PCs? Who or what were they trying to protect?

In my opinion, this particular atypical mass shooting raises many more questions than previous events with similar body counts.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. P Ray
    December 4, 2015 at 2:58 pm

    I’d like to know more about the “supposedly civil” argument he had with that Jewish guy he killed.
    Not to prejudice anything, but the few Jewish people I encountered (on- and off-line), were absolute wankers in terms of attitude (we never even talked about religion before offensive behaviour and dismissive attitude was shown towards me).
    Ya, I know “don’t judge all by the few” BUT these people weren’t young – late 20’s and up …

  2. Webe
    December 5, 2015 at 9:36 am

    Hard to say anything on the basis of information “leaked” by authorities and the MSM. We could be guessing on the basis of rather misleading “facts”.

  3. December 5, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    “While I will not become a men’s rights activist or white nationalist myself, it appears that our sphere has matured enough that petty in-fighting can be discarded to focus on a powerful enemy. As long as you remember that those who hate America are promoted on mainstream channels, shows, networks, and platforms, you’ll easily be able to decide who is on the right side of this war and who is not.”

    http://www.rooshv.com/the-american-elite-hates-america

    your boi roosh is an absolute nutter…

    remeber how he tried to thrown indian dudes like you under the buss…

    now he is trying to court “men” like C.Rudd and Jack Donovan…

    He’s trying to play the “white guy with a tan” card. Just think, he’s probably gonna write an article saying that arabs need white poosy otherwise they will go on shooting sprees–and he is the safe arab because he gets sooooooooo mch poosy….

    RooshV has always been a delusional “wannabe white” guy.

  4. December 5, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    “In my opinion, this particular atypical mass shooting raises many more questions than previous events with similar body counts.”

    okay, you want a crazy conspiracy theory ™

    Trump hired them so he could rise in the primaries of the repub party…

    But of course, Shillary hired Trump so she could crush him come election time….

    There is much about the story, as we know it to date, that just does not add up. I just find it hard to believe that a guy with a stable government job (indicating a desire for a mediocre life) has an alternate life as a devoted and violent religious nut- especially since he does not really have a worthwhile criminal record (aka a tendency to act out deep desires). Perhaps his religious wife pushed him over the edge- but that would be rather unusual.

    • hans
      December 8, 2015 at 7:48 pm

      Go fuck yourself stoner.
      It´s useful idiots like yourself who are the real enemy, like trained apes spewing out (not so)smart-ass ridicule every time when somebody actually uses their head and points out the glaring holes in the “official” CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

      • December 8, 2015 at 10:50 pm

        hand solo, sorry if I hurt your liberal sensibilities…

        now go back to feministe, men are talking..

      • hans
        December 9, 2015 at 12:08 pm

        Weaksauce retort.
        We Germans have shit-all to do with your retard ´merican one party system´s phony two-faced labeling.
        Stay in bat country

        where you belong.

  5. December 9, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    Some thoughts I expressed elsewhere I am sharing here…

    The following is your last text response to me explaining your thoughts at the time regarding the subject.

    “Sadly, Trump is increasingly sounding like a fascist-which history has amply demonstrated is no better than this other extreme. We are increasingly being polarized and it is downright scary. And Trump’s positions are highly productive fodder for ISIS’s recruitment efforts. I am beginning to think the world is actually coming to an end. I’m serious.”

    I wanted to follow up on this in an email because texting is less efficient concerning this will risk being too verbose for the purpose of maybe nothing more than “you getting another glimpse” into the warped mind of “me”. Perhaps my mind isn’t so warped but current typical conventional human cognitive perception is. My thoughts begin with your statement “I am beginning to think the world is actually coming to an end.” Maybe it is. Things seem about the same for the duration of recorded history and perhaps a couple hundred thousand years longer, except technology. So, I think the same things will keep going on for a while at least. How long has man been murdering man while concurrently searching for a paradise? Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. We say “History repeats itself” and “Those who do not learn history are condemned to repeat it”. These statements are fundamentally dishonest. They are dishonest because they imply that “History” is an effectual dynamic when it is not. Is “history” repeating itself, are we condemned by “history” for not learning it? Does “learning” it guarantee that anything will change? History is nothing more than a record, a somewhat distorted one. “History” cannot “repeat” itself because it has no self. It is merely human documentation of what humans purportedly did, including intentionally documenting some things inaccurately. Why do we say “history” repeats itself other than to distract ourselves from who the real actors are (ourselves)? Why should we blame our condemnation on lack of historical knowledge when it is us who condemns ourselves, not knowledge or the lack of it?

    Does learning what humans have done in the past automatically prevent present humans or future humans from doing similar things? Does current humans knowing the consequences of past humans behavior guarantee that current human behavior will be any different or different enough to prevent similar consequences? I think not. “History” supports my thought. This begs the question what really is the “problem?” “Those who do not learn history are condemned to repeat it” is an arrogant statement born from academic condescension. “Those” who don’t know the past are condemned but “we” are not because “we” have “learned”. It is a statement rooted in self-appointed superiority based on a claim of specific knowledge and that knowledge is somewhat dubious. Making such statements is intentionally exclusive, segregating and accomplishes nothing other than dividing those who “learned” from those who did not “learn” to proactively blame the “uneducated” for future grievances.

    But, can the “problem” be solved? Can a significant difference be made that will mitigate or prevent future “repeats”? The behavior and the entire dynamic is based on human nature. Learning about behavior does not guarantee that nature will change and behavior will change. Knowing “history” is no guarantee that future human behavior will change significantly. Human nature is based on human DNA and the nature of life. Does knowing our behavior change our DNA or the dynamics of the universe? Can we change our DNA by knowing our behavior, because we are uncomfortable with some consequences? Are people changing their DNA and their behavior by learning the news every day? Are they even capable of doing so? I think not.

    Given technology, maybe eventually humans will murder themselves extinct.

    “The Way of Men” by Jack Donovan is a read worth considering along these lines.

  6. December 9, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    “Weaksauce retort.
    We Germans have shit-all to do with your retard ´merican one party system´s phony two-faced labeling.
    Stay in bat country”

    my granpa blew up your dad’s panzer in the big dubyduby tew….

    now howabout we export the fascist’s to your country???

    • December 9, 2015 at 2:44 pm

      and you are right about the crappiness of demorats/rethuglicans, I give you that….

    • hans
      December 9, 2015 at 3:04 pm

      And I bet gramps had grrreat patriotic fun raping the shit out of the terrified German Fräuleins, fleeing from the Red Army Bolshevist-raper-jews commandos.

      Also you already have your Haliburton-SS stationed here, numpty.
      Ramstein is full of young ´merican retards, happily playing the legbreakers for corporate US (aka. fascist) interests.

      • December 9, 2015 at 3:12 pm

        no rape, French women just threw themselves at Americans…

        don’t worry “broe” you can insult me as much as makes you feel better, I know my government sucks…

        I didn’t vote for Bu$h or O’bombya–unlike those tools in the alt-right I didn’t think things would be better with RMoney…

        Now go back to your HBD blogs so you can feel superior and meet “masculine” “men” like Roosh.

      • hans
        December 10, 2015 at 4:50 am

        I´ll let your hero answer this weak-ass ad-hominem.

      • December 10, 2015 at 10:17 am

        “Biden, Bite Me…”

        haha, I’m sure a liberal socialist like you doesn’t know which US General said that…

      • hans
        December 10, 2015 at 6:04 pm

        Who, General Grievous?

        Aahahaha! I´m killing myself..

  7. December 9, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    this is interesting…

    http://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romney-donald-trump-muslim-plan-2015-12

    and it seems much of the so-called man-0-sphere is inching towards fascism….

    also funny, Time magazine didn’t make Trump the person of the year but Adolf Hitler was in 1938…

    • hans
      December 10, 2015 at 4:57 am

      Interesting.
      So unlike you, the “sphere” has finally noticed how Muslims systematically out-breed their infected host country?
      They even are ordered by their unholy books to do it, I forgot the ork name for what they´er calling this part of the jihad.

      Good.
      Maybe there´s still hope, at least for the US when Trump takes over.
      [video src="http://i.imgur.com/LlkbcGg.webm" /]
      .. the asshole we need.

      • December 10, 2015 at 10:16 am

        hey hand job…

        I actually support one thing the O’bombya admin is doing-it’s a prank if you will. They are going to send violent offenders from Murrikan prisons over to Germany on “work visa’s.” But they are only paying for the 1 way flight ticket.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift

        haha…

      • December 10, 2015 at 10:23 am

        here’s a moslem for ya….

      • hans
        December 10, 2015 at 5:58 pm

        😦

      • December 10, 2015 at 9:41 pm

        serious question for the alt-reich, if I am unjustly imprisoned because the US becomes more totalitarian and censors my right to free speech and I have the misfortune of being imprisoned with Rooshie Poops. And hearing that he is a “rape artist” and fearing that close quarters might make him decide to “bat for the other team.” Well, let’s just say I beat him up in preemptive self defense of my back door cherry. Does that make me an Islam-0-phobe ™ or a hom-0-phobe ™ ????

        Inquiring minds want to know…

      • hans
        December 11, 2015 at 6:23 am

        You´ve really put a suspicious amount of creativity into the scenario, hmm.
        Oh and to reiterate my initial point..

      • December 11, 2015 at 11:07 am

  8. December 10, 2015 at 10:41 am

  9. hans
    December 11, 2015 at 1:03 pm

    You´re something like a blood fetishist, eh? Then this should be right up your alley..

    Though I like it more as a documentary on how to properly deal with parasites.

    • hans
      December 11, 2015 at 1:08 pm

      Ahcrap, guess that´s too many shit links for this site. Meh, calling out an idiot like stoner is useless anyway.
      Like trying to show a wymminz how to properly park.

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