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Pedestalling of Women by American vs Non-American Men: 1

While I am not a big fan or user of Instagram, it is an interesting social network to keep track of how people all around the world want to present themselves to others. Over the years, I have noticed an interesting, but seldom talked about, pattern that is most obvious if you don’t use Instagram as an active participant. The observed pattern can be summarized as follows..

Fairly mediocre looking North-American women who post even somewhat revealing photos of themselves on Instagram get far more positive comments from obviously male user accounts than even more revealing photos of gorgeous women from countries in Europe and South-America.

Initially, I considered that this discrepancy in number of online male admirers might be related to the total numbers of Instagram users across various countries. It is no secret that a significant percentage of the first bunch of large-scale users of some internet-based social networks such as Instagram do live in North America. However, I noticed that the geographical discrepancy between number of positive comments to revealing pictures of women has persisted over the years.

Therefore, the far fewer number of male admirers writing worshipful comments in response to revealing photos of women from other parts of the world is not an artifact of userbase composition. Furthermore many of the comments by ostensibly male accounts on photos of young, attractive, thong-bikini (or less) clad women living in countries outside north america are also far less worshipful of the woman (or women) in those photos.

Local men who comment on photos of thong-bikini wearing hotties in Brazil almost never sound desperate, eager to please or otherwise submissive. Similarly, local men who comment on photos of topless (or even less) continental European cuties lounging on the beach seldom write comments that come across as pathetic or worshipful. Curiously, a significant number of worshipful comments towards such photos are in English rather than he language of the country of residence for the women in those photos.

Instagram is however not the first social network where I have seen this pattern.

As some of you might know, Flickr was the best online photo-sharing network before the idiots at Yahoo screwed it up. Many (maybe 5-7) years ago, I noticed that most of the corny worshipful comments for beach vacation photo albums of European girls were written in English rather than German, French, Italian, Dutch etc. However, it was also obvious that the majority of viewers of those photos were local.

And this brings me to my explanation for this apparent discrepancy. Men in North America are significantly more likely to be, or act like, beta orbiters than men in most other parts of the world. They are far more likely to compliment mediocre looking women for a basically non-existent chance of having sex with them than men in other parts of the world. Their pathetic online behavior is therefore merely an extension of their pathetic behavior in real life.

But why would they do that? Are they stupid enough to believe that a woman who they have no realistic chance of meeting in real life will suddenly want to meet them and have sex with them. Perhaps there are a few who think like that, but they are clearly not the majority. In my opinion, it is far more likely that this peculiar online behavior is a reflection of how they have been taught to behave towards women when they were growing up.

In other words, the dominant pre-internet cultural trends in North America were (and to some extent still are) far more female-centric than those in other countries. A lot of men raised in North America still believe, at some level, that being beta-orbiters of women is normal. These men appear to lack any significant amount of self-esteem and appear to accept being abused, exploited and ignored by even mediocre women as “normal”.

Of course, as many of you know, this state of affairs has changed a lot in the previous decade. However, it is also clear that a significant number of men who still live in that mental world. maybe that will change, or maybe it won’t. In any case, there is not much you can do for people who believe in something that is is clear contradiction with observable reality.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. June 13, 2017 at 10:22 pm

    in the very brief and soul crushing time that I tried online dating, I actually was able to engage a few attractive women (at least by the pictures) into conversations. I mistook this as “interest.” And would then try to ask them out. I would be blocked. I explained this to a man who is very experienced with women and he told me they just wanted validation, that is guys saying “oh, your hot.” “How was work today?” all that BS. I really felt used by the whole experience as it was a “dating” site I thought the whole idea was to meet in real life at some point.

    • P Ray
      June 14, 2017 at 2:36 pm

      If the only time women talk to you is to ask for a favour, they don’t consider you hot.
      Also, one-word replies, and you are “carrying” most of the conversations.

      All very passive-aggressive really, and women are good at that.

      • June 14, 2017 at 9:09 pm

        yup dude, I know that, I’m not one of the libertarian tough guys that posts on Roosh V. This is specifically womyn I had a convo with as in “what part of town you in,” “what do you like to do on weekends,” “what industry do you work in?” –to use the word salesman use, I thought I had built rapport. Perhaps I “asked for the appointment too early” but the other explanation seems to make more sense.

  2. June 13, 2017 at 10:41 pm

    off topic, I think you’ll find this interesting…


    • Libertarians are subhumans
      June 14, 2017 at 6:24 am

      Old white morons are getting angry that people from “the colonies” are starting to enjoy the same living standard of europeans and american.

      • Anon1
        June 16, 2017 at 9:45 am

        The reason why people are borrowing so much is because they’re broke, not because they’re over-straining the environment. These types of articles are always rehashing the same Malthus-like arguments, and diverting the conversation away from the fact that too much wealth is tied up in the supply side for the economy to function properly.

  3. danielle
    June 14, 2017 at 4:13 am

    bluntly, i think it’s a stupid post. slow day today? just by virtue of posting pics publicly, there are those who will comment. i think you are reading into this too much. maybe westerners have more leisure time. maybe they are more shallow or superficial. maybe it’s like soft porn to them. why don’t you psycho-analyze youtube commenters next. that should be a hoot.

    but your ‘view’ that someone who one personally deems/judges as not as attractive or equal or below your level of attractiveness is somehow obligated to respond to another’s advances just by that alone is dangerous, invasive, disrespectful and assinine. the very idea that a male is being ignored, abused or exploited just because someone is mediocre in their opinion or even others (therefore apparently does not have rights or free will) is a very entitled, and ‘ownership’ of others mentality. it’s like how dare they?! they dare because they are not interested, plain and simple. it doesn’t matter what they look like. maybe they have different tastes, maybe you are white and they are attracted to blacks or vice versa. there are a myriad and millions of possible objective and subjective reasons as people are complicated. yeah, who they are and what they like is complicated so even if you see someone and think retardedly, ‘oh, she ain’t a supermodel’, therefore why wouldn’t she be interested in me? remind yourself how utterly stupid that thought is when you reject women or are just not interested in some people through no fault of their own. just not what floats your boat.

    i, as a female, don’t give a rat’s ass if a male ignores or rejects me, no matter what i personally judge their level of attractiveness to be. maybe they prefer blondes or vice versa. maybe they like hispanic chicks or black chicks or maybe they are looking for someone who shares a certain hobby or interest etc. why? because it’s their goddamn right and business, that’s why, just like it’s my right to reject who i am not interested in and justification is not needed. ya see, people with brains and respect for others, realize people have a right to who they want to deal with on a personal level. people are not entitled to you or vice versa based on ANY critieria. It must be mutual, otherwise it turns into harassment.. It’s not the same as someone discriminating against you because of race, religion, sexual orientation etc on the job, home loan, college admission etc,.

    People have a right to choose their friends, and significant others.

    • Libertarians are subhumans
      June 14, 2017 at 5:07 am

      I’ve just finished studying for my social psychology exam(I’m not from an english speaking country so maybe in english it’s called something else,i don’t wanna look it up) and in the chapter about evolutionary psychology it was mentioned that between 10% and 30% of offspring born from couples are actually children that the woman concieved with men other than her “partner”,basically they cheated and got pregnant from the man they cheated with,also it was mentioned that the riproductive strategies of men and women are diametrically opposed,basically on the reproductive/sexual level men and women have a zero sum game type of “relationship”.

      It’s really outrageous that a woman such as yourself would try to denigrate an article such as this,do you have no shame?

    • June 14, 2017 at 6:26 am

      The fire and passion you display in your comment shows you do give a rats ass.

      • tomjones
        March 2, 2018 at 11:41 am

        lol… true

    • Yusef
      June 14, 2017 at 10:08 am

      You kind of miss the point, Danielle. He didn’t say it was strange posted pictures would attract comments– he observed something about the comments and commenters which required an explanation. I don’t think he was playing amateur psycho-analyst, either.

      Why, if the men were after the most attractive women, would they not comment enthusiastically on the posted pictures of the most attractive women? Why are their comments directed at women most of us would judge as mediocre?

      And do these men really have an expectation of these mediocre women responding to them? If they did, why wouldn’t they eventually learn it just doesn’t work that way? But as a matter of opinion, the situation is actually much stranger than that– the men do not expect to be engaged, do not require that– they wax lyrical and continue to wax lyrical almost as if they enjoy the futility, the rejection, the being ignored. They probably do.

      The women for their part– do you really think they feel victimized by these comments or take seriously there is some sort of unspecified obligation they respond to these twits. For my part, I seriously doubt it. Seriously.

    • P Ray
      June 14, 2017 at 2:38 pm

      If “people have a right to choose their partners”,
      why do women say “all the good men are taken” and “chemistry is the most important” …
      when 70% of divorces are initiated by women?

      Obviously the selection process by women needs more work …

      • June 17, 2017 at 9:59 pm

        …or, women need to admit — to themselves first — that, for all their insistence on “lifetime commitment” and “soul mates”, they’re bio-wired to lose sexual interest in a man they’ve been married to after about three or four years, maximum, even if they sincerely felt irresistible chemistry and passion for him initially.
        Meaning, women need to admit that they’re selecting a partner episodically, not permanently.

      • June 18, 2017 at 11:06 am

        It’s really nobody else’s business who women OR men choose. Why would someone care about that granted if they already have a sex life of their own?

        To be fair, women lie about what attracts them for the fact that the “madonna/whore” complex still lingers on from previous generations. Men talk way too much about their sexual escapades online, at social gatherings and gym locker rooms. And show pictures… you know the typical “Hey, man. You remember Betty Frances from high school? Yeah, man I hit that the first date. She a hoe.” Then the word gets out, and it makes it hard for other men.

        So for that, she won’t say she doesn’t want a “good man” because she fears being judged. So for that, some women are stuck in a rut – and so are a number of men trying to get sex, or get ahead in life and break out of this “nice guy” matrix.

        In total, people should move in silence and stay in their own lane!

    • June 14, 2017 at 3:49 pm

      LOL…and, perhaps, Danielle would even offer you advice if you decide to “psycho-analyze youtube commenters”, AD, since, by the evidence from how much time and thought she invested in commenting on you, she enjoys psycho-analyzing online commenters as much as anybody does.
      Or, maybe she was just reading into this too much? Or, maybe she has more leisure time? Certainly not because she’s shallow or superficial! Maybe commenting on commenters who comment on commenters is like soft porn to her?
      Or, naw…probably merely a slow day for her too?

      • tomjones
        March 2, 2018 at 11:49 am

        lol.. true

    • June 16, 2017 at 6:16 pm


      I am in total agreement with what you are saying. This is something that I and author Alan Roger Currie acknowledged recently…

      Nobody owes anybody anything. And people DO have the right to choose whom they want to have sex with, be friends with, talk to, accept or reject. You will NEVER hear ME, Mr. Odessa, bitching and whining about who women choose. All that does is reveal weakness and entitlement issues.

      But what AD is discussing is the epidemic of thirsty men who lower their standards. And I agree that some people should lower their standards to the extent because truth is…

      The only way most men can ever get a “bad bitch” is if he tricks off her (pays for sex). Women are like clothes… Everything in your closet won’t be “top of the line” shit. Some of your garments (bedfellows) will have to be above average or mediocre. You can always find a better deal tomorrow, next week or next year.

      Face it, “a 7 in your bed is better than a 10 in your head.”

      However, most western men are increasingly desperate. They’re SOL!

      • June 17, 2017 at 6:25 pm

        ^ This, yes
        We as humans have little, if any, control over whom (and what) we see as “attractive”. Even the exaggerated ideals marketed to us or embedded in societies and cultures merely reflect and amplify, not originate, what we deem “attractive”.

        Meaning, I may not like it if I discover no woman desires me, but no woman can change her bio-wiring to make herself want me any more than i can change my genetics to make myself someone she instinctively deems attractive.

        And, no one owes anything to anyone else sexually. I may desperately crave sex, even become neurotic or worse if deprived of it, but, that doesn’t demand that any woman is required to desire sex with me. It’s another of the regrettable unfairnesses of human existence.
        However, since each of us, man or woman, is typically “not whom most everyone else finds attractive”, the reality and practicality for most of us is a mutual “settling and compromising for less than our ideal, or, going without sex”.

  4. Libertarians are subhumans
    June 14, 2017 at 4:44 am

    Advocatus,since you work in the pharmaceutic industry,can you give me your thoughts about this,maybe write an article about it.


  5. Wilson
    June 14, 2017 at 5:57 am

    there aren’t enough attractive women to go around in North America, also in other countries women earn money with sex, while American women steal money by voting. Men can’t change their attitude to be more successful, because the women haven’t just be seduced by alphas, they are lost for good

  6. June 14, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    As a happy user of social media to hook up with women (I despise nightclubs and I don’t pay for sex as much anymore), I definitely agree.

    But understand several things…

    1) There are more female social media users who advertise their sexual availability from The Anglosphere and even Thailand than from Europe, Latin America and other parts of Asia. Even though prostitution is legal in Dominican Republic, the women in the DR don’t use social media and put themselves “out there” like American women do. And not just because of the poor economy, either. There are other components.

    2) Foreign men don’t sweat women like American men do. And not just because of decades of patriarchal coveting of women, pussy begging, invalid social programming and “queen” worshiping. Foreign men are used to sex much more than American men are. Women only find 25% of the male population sexually attraction (but this doesn’t mean only 25% of men are having sex). So for the others who are SOL, they have no choice but to masturbate, become celibate, go out like Elliot Rodger and Dylan Roof, pay for sex or turn gay/bisexual.

    3) Alan Roger Currie wrote “The Possibility of Sex”, where he reveals that some women just want attention. A la, “I don’t want to have sex with you, but that doesn’t mean I want you to stop liking my picture and stop trying to fuck me”. Alan Roger Currie, who makes videos on YouTube now, calls out women’s duplicitous tendencies and equally attacks men’s idiotic entitlement issues. He recently cut ties with some black beta idiot who sympathized with Elliot Rodger and panders to white pussy he can’t get… and I applaud him for that.

    4) Again, with the exception of Thailand, you don’t have as many women in non-western countries who use social media to advertise their sexuality like the average non-famous Western women does.

    5) Most men are indoctrinated to worship women as “KWEEENS” and they discover that it never gets them what they want. Because they are thirsty, needy and apparently don’t have a high sexual resume, they make themselves vulnerable to abuse and exploitation. Women sense this because dating is ALSO a numbers game for women. They use most men for validation, while only giving sex to very few. I see it every day on Facebook – hence your older topic “Facebook Makes Women Flakier” (it’s usually women in their 20s and a handful of black women who create “thirst traps”, whereas white women, MILFS and cougars put out much easier). Women instantly block, ignore, abuse or exploit needy men, yet who do they have sex with? The alpha who has multiple sex partners and who doesn’t appear needy… guys who have a sense of wit, or “game” (guys like me, I’m proud to say — guys who are NOT the majority, as you’ve said). Look, if people sense you are weak or needy, they see an opportunity.

    6) Flickr was “the shit” back in the day. Even for the non-American men who commented on women’s sexually provocative photos, they didn’t appear as “thirsty” like American men. Most western guys sound as if they never seen pussy before and act like prison inmates hooting at “fresh meat”.

    7) America is a sex prison country, prostitution is illegal, bitches love drama and attention and they “man stroke” the hell out of the mostly weak beta males. Traditional minded idiots still think being a “chivalrous gentleman” will get their to the goal. If anything, it gets set back. Also, believe it or not, most guys in the US can’t or won’t go overseas. For laziness, can’t take vacation time, don’t have enough money, have too many obligations and the US government has it to where you cannot travel abroad if you owe child support fees!

  7. June 14, 2017 at 10:15 pm

    Very interesting read. Some good food for thought…

  8. June 15, 2017 at 5:33 pm


  9. Anon1
    June 16, 2017 at 6:07 am

    I’ve noticed this too. I’ve also noticed a big difference between what American and European men consider to be “hot” women. I’ve learned to not trust American men when they say that a woman is hot, because more often than not I’m negatively surprised when I actually see the woman. European men seem to have a much higher “floor” on what they consider attractive than American men. Is this due to thirstiness or because women in the USA in general are less good looking? I think it’s a mix of both.

    Men in the USA are much more likely to believe in “everything that happens to me is my fault” ideologies. This probably leads to low self esteem. On the other hand, unhealthy eating and lifestyle, combined with weaker regulations on toxins in cosmetics and foods leads to women being less good looking.

  10. Anon1
    June 16, 2017 at 6:45 am

    Growing up in school (US) I noticed that some girls had really huge chips on their shoulders. How could they get away with this, I asked myself. Later I noticed that their moms had the exact same “attitude.” So that meant that some control valve, some check on their behavior was missing. And who was to blame for that? Well, look no further than the people who allow such behavior to go on unchecked. Hapless beta dads, thirsty dudes, complicit admin/society, and so on.

    Thirsty dudes might seem pathetic, but their society molded them that way. Same with the “queens.” How to fix? Well, a good start might be to send them all over to AD’s blog! If even 1/100 manginas or bitches change their mind as a result of reading AD or somebody like Mr. Odessa, it’ll be worth it.

    • June 16, 2017 at 6:22 pm

      Thank you for the honorable mention. It kindasorta makes me want to re-open my blog and start writing again, but I’m busy living my life and making lifestyle upgrades.

      I agree with your two replies on this topic. How to fix? As AD said in one topic, some turn to game. Some want to turn back the hands of time and some are hoping this “nightmare” will go away. Some of it is karma for previous destructive behavior of women (and men of color) generations ago. Me? I’ve learned through trial and error, which helped me and simultaneously fucked me up. Men like AD, Alan Roger Currie, Robert Greene, Dr. Haha Lung, Tariq Nasheed and former youtuber Thugtician helped me see the light even better. I learn from the greatest.

      • P Ray
        June 19, 2017 at 10:24 pm

        ^ If you haven’t seen him already, check out Jai Duval.
        Here’s an example of his wisdom:

      • June 20, 2017 at 5:30 pm

        Oh, I’ve BEEN aware of the stupidity and sickness of matrimony since I was 20/21! A lot of these goofy manosphere and MRM blogs are full of idiotic white (and a handful of black) guys who didn’t learn this until their 40s and 50s. Their minds polluted with invalid social programming caused them to get fucked by the system and the women whom they’ve pedestalled.

        Joe Santus left a comment on AD’s topics about “Humans as a species” about how marriage /monogamy was/is an institution to control people for THEIR own benefit. I know this is the case, to control black men and women of all races. Now, karma is here to stay and the tables have turned. Nature is taking it’s course and an alpha – like myself – doesn’t have to worry about getting sodomized in divorce court, because I have zero interest in “settling down” with one tired, decrepit bag of bones for the rest of my life.

        I will check out whomever this guy is, but something tells me I’ve heard all that shit before from the likes of Paul Elam, the legendary Tom Leykis and such…

  11. June 17, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    This older video by a black man named The Black Authority explains it very well, also!

  12. June 17, 2017 at 11:20 pm

    It’s because overseas most men aren’t afraid to hit on a random hot girl. I saw it in Europe, Middle East, Africa and Latin America. Asia was the exception because men there are either too shy or caught up in a cut-throat materialistic society.

    In North America most men resort to doing that online; the instinct needs an outlet.

    • P Ray
      June 18, 2017 at 12:30 am

      Asia was the exception because men there are either too shy or caught up in a cut-throat materialistic society.
      The skills that rewarded them in the corporate world – work hard, keep your head down – they think will attract the women.
      Problem is they don’t know even the women have changed – and the ones that “suddenly are attracted to them” are simply gold-diggers that couldn’t snag the Alpha.
      Many marriages in Asia happen to give the illusion of propriety, while the woman takes it as an opportunity to be a spoiled child, and the man goes catting around after as he discovers she has no intention of fulfilling the physical wifely duties.
      And this even goes for the women who are “working”, there are a lot of diversity hires in Asia, whose sole purpose is to charm men into parting with their money.
      I suspect there is also another problem with Asia, just like the West, women are easily hired to fill positions in greater numbers than men … they have to come from somewhere, so I wonder if selective abortion is happening.

  13. Shiningtime
    June 18, 2017 at 7:28 am

    I also noticed all the very beta-ish, orbiter comments left under the photos of attractive young American women. It’s funny. Once you start studying “red pill” type philosophy and male/female dynamics sexual dynamics it’s hard to not notice certain things. There are several very attractive young women where I work and it’s fascinating sometimes to observe the level of male attention they attract. Not that I’m above any of this type of behavior.

  14. neoconned
    June 19, 2017 at 8:09 am

    If a woman isn’t providing sex, of what use is she to a man?

    Men need to talk to their younger brothers and let them know that having a woman in your life costs much more than it benefits. Would you keep a car which only ran right a day or two a month? Then why let a woman into your life who will take much more than she gives.

    I haven’t found any reliable numbers, but it’s my suspicion that wives cost more than escorts do. But this cost doesn’t become known until the court decides how much you are worth and how much of that she gets for leaving you.

    Forewarned is forearmed, men. Pay them for sex, and send them home. You’ll than me.

  15. me
    June 30, 2017 at 9:32 am

    Guys who let women treat then like shit and get their sexual satisfaction from masturbating eventually become immune to women. By age 30, when the women start looking to settle down with s provider, the omeha schlub has developed an invincible shield of unattractive behavior, farting and picking his nose around women for example, and possibly even psychological impotence around real women, so that he becomes unmarriageable, and thus safe. It’s the wannabe aphas who are most in danger of the marriage trap. The final development of this tendency is seen in Japan, where many young men are turning away completely from women. There may be a method to the beta orbiters madness, in other words.

  16. P Ray
    January 7, 2019 at 10:01 pm

    Someone wrote a good explanation:

    I came to this realisation when I saw the thousands of adult men who pay pretty women for thier literal shit and piss, and how similar that behavior was to cultures who had sacred animals such as the pre-islamic arabs and Indians who would prize the excrement of camels and cows respectively.

    In 2019 god has been dethroned and replaced by the ever judgemental female. Men who would sacrifice themselves for god, would gladly sacrifice themselves for a sniff of thier onenitis’ panties today.

    Men who paid tithes to the church today pay tithes to pretty women and get nothing but pixels in return. In some cases (FinDom) they get literally nothing, and gain perverse satisfaction from knowing thier money is going to a woman. Similar to how they would give charity being satisfied that they were God’s good books.

    Female judgment is the ultimate test of the worth of a man in this society. It transcends wealth and social status. A janitor who is successful with women is ultimately worth more than a rich incel. Similar to how piousness in the eyes of God was the only measure of a man that transcended wealth and social status.

    And ultimately this is the reason why there is such a backlash against incels and those who dare criticize women in general. You aren’t attacking women, you’re attacking thier god. In 2019 modern artists paint Jesus with human feces and no one bats an eye. But criticize women, and it’s you who will be crucified.

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