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An Alternate Explanation for Murders of Black Men by Police in USA

As many of my long-term readers know, more than a few of my older posts have touched on the issue of systemic racial discrimination in USA, especially as it concerns what is frequently described as the “criminal justice” system. In fact, I even wrote a short series about this issue in 2014. In that series, I made the point that murdering black men and women is, and always has been, one of the main functions of the “law and order” apparatus in USA.

In that series, I also made the point that USA as a country and society is simply too dysfunctional to fix the problem of extra-judicial (and judicial) killing of black people. The simple, if tasteless, reality is that a large percentage of white people are quite OK with treating black people as less than human. Of course, this won’t be a big problem in a couple of decades from now when the numbers and relative position of whites has irreversibly declined to the point that few will even care what they think or believe.

But the ongoing and irreversible decline of whites as a group in USA and rest of the world does not by itself solve the problem of “law enforcement” killing black people in USA. It is well-known that the race and gender of police has little connection with their willingness to kill or otherwise brutalize black people in USA. In other words, replacing a white cop with a black, brown or asian cop is unlikely to eliminate or even reduce the rates of extra-judicial executions of black people in USA.

But why has large-scale public exposure of numerous instances of police murdering black people in USA had little, to no, effect on their propensity to continue doing it? Why have all those large public protests had no worthwhile effect on the rate of police murdering black people, except perhaps to ensure that the family members of at least some of the murdered get monetary compensation? Why have all those appeals to the conscience of whites had no worthwhile effect on the status quo?

There are many reasons for public exposure having little effect on the continued predilection of police to murder black people in USA- but it mainly comes to the lack of adverse consequences. Police who murder, torture or otherwise abuse black people do not face any adverse consequences for those actions. Choking a black guy to death, murdering a black guy in front of his family, shooting an unarmed black guy from the back, murdering a black kid etc does not adversely affect the lives of police who did those things even if it is recorded on camera- sometimes from multiple angles.

To understand what I am getting at, here is a thought experiment. Do you think police would dare to murder Muslims of middle-eastern descent in USA at anything even remotely close to the rate they do for Blacks? And if not, why not? What makes police in USA and other western countries so hesitant to pull that shit on Muslims of middle-eastern descent?

Well.. there are two components to the answer for that question. Firstly, Muslims of middle-eastern descent are very highly organised AND they do not see their lives as less valuable than whites. Even Muslims from the poorest and most deprived countries in the middle-east do not see themselves as less human than whites in the west. In contrast to that, a majority of the native-born black population in USA appear to see their own lives as less valuable than their white counterparts.

But there is a second reason, which we don’t like to talk about. Whites in western countries understand that murdering Muslims from the middle-east has consequences, even if white western courts exonerated them. There is a reason why white Americans could not walk freely in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, even at the peak of their now failed invasions of both those countries. Turns out that people from that part of the world are more than willing to avenge the death of their relatives in any manner possible.

To make a long story short- it is very likely that police murdering Muslims from the M-E at even a fraction of rate of Blacks in USA would severely compromise the personal safety of themselves and their families. In contrast to that, police murdering black people in USA will at most result in more marches, prayers at some church and tearful interview with relatives on TV.

European whites did not get kicked out for good out of Asian and African countries after WW2 because they feared peaceful marches, prayer assemblies and tearful testimonies. American whites did not get kicked out of North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan because of nonviolent resistance by the local population. They had to leave those countries because the human and material costs inflicted on them by the local population (sometimes at great cost to themselves) was beyond their own ability to sustain those occupations.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. June 25, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    Ah, now I know why you were asking those questions on my blog.

    It would be entertaining to see a Brevik style massacre at the next NPI convention.

    And for any scumbag liberal who is “offended” by that statement, just realize that there is the implicit threat of violence with all of Spencer’s talk of a “white ethno-state.” Somehow I don’t think he would politely offer me a million dollars to “relocate.”

  2. June 25, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    I would never, ever say that Muslim or Islamic culture is superior or liberating. But you are right. They wouldn’t put up with that shit.

    Even black people in Africa don’t put up with that shit. That is why European whites had to leave their African colonies forever in the 1950s and 1960s.

    What a lot of black folks don’t get is what every other race of men understand: It’s a “dog eat dog” world full of adversarialism. You are either gonna kill or be killed, play or be played, fuck or be fucked, hunt or be hunted. And like they say, all is fair in love and war. But a lot of blacks are too dumbed down by systematic “credentials”, stupid holy books, BRP (black respectability politics), or they’re too concerned with trivial shit.

    Well.. to do that one has to have a positive self image.

    But whites are too hypocritical. They parade Chris Kyle as a hero and went to see “American Sniper” in droves. Yet they bitch about a movie about Nat Turner’s slave revolt being made (“Birth of a Nation”) and tried their best to prevent people from seeing it.

    I wrote about that in an older post. https://dissention.wordpress.com/2015/01/23/a-few-thoughts-on-the-american-sniper-movie-controversy/

    Even during the Haitian revolt and when the Ethiopians gave Italians the business. That didn’t get done with prayer assemblies and peaceful protests, or rioting and looting in their own communities. Nobody gets far in life by saying “…and the meek shall inherit the earth.”

    No kidding. There is no ‘nice’ way to change the status quo, never has been.

    • June 25, 2017 at 1:59 pm

      ‘But whites are too hypocritical. They parade Chris Kyle as a hero and went to see “American Sniper” in droves. Yet they bitch about a movie about Nat Turner’s slave revolt being made (“Birth of a Nation”) and tried their best to prevent people from seeing it.’

      Do you have any basis for correlating appreciation for ‘American Sniper’ with whiteness? I’m sure it’s a film that appeals mostly to certain demographics, but is whiteness the defining characteristics of those demographics?

  3. azn
    June 25, 2017 at 1:16 pm

    AD please revert back to the old format.

    Why? Is this format too hard on the eyes? In fact, I switched to this format to increase legibility of text on certain screen types.

    • azn
      June 25, 2017 at 1:17 pm

      I mean layout

    • P Ray
      June 25, 2017 at 1:34 pm

      Takes a longer time for comments to appear under the new format, is my only issue.

      Hmm.. really? OK, let me revert back to old one and see if it works well.

      • P Ray
        June 25, 2017 at 1:58 pm

        Back to ridiculously fast loading. Thanks.
        Also am not sure how many commenters here are typing from a mobile device (Android,iPad/iPhone) vs. a Windows PC of some sort (desktop/laptop/netbook/tablet). Maybe the older layout works best for PCs.

    • azn
      June 26, 2017 at 5:33 am

      The format is fine on android but on phone it just seems off.

      • azn
        June 26, 2017 at 5:35 am

        I mean on pc

  4. June 25, 2017 at 3:25 pm

  5. June 25, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    Fortunately, there are some encouraging lessons from the 19th century. Though the federal government betrayed Reconstruction, the Klan’s reign was short-lived. “I don’t want to sound like I’m suggesting anything,” Parsons says, “but speaking as a historian, violent resistance was very effective. We’ve told ourselves a story about the Klan facing cowering victims, but people organized, fought, and defeated the Klan constantly.” Black Americans in the Reconstruction South were often armed, not just as individuals but as communities, for collective self-defense. “There were places the Klan couldn’t go,” Parsons says, “people who, according to their code, they should have attacked, who they didn’t.”


  6. June 26, 2017 at 12:45 pm
  7. Yusef
    June 26, 2017 at 1:40 pm

    “There are many reasons for public exposure having little effect on the continued predilection of police to murder black people in USA- but it mainly comes to the lack of adverse consequences. Police who murder, torture or otherwise abuse black people do not face any adverse consequences for those actions.”

    They don’t even face the adverse consequence of their behavior being monitored, collected, analyzed, and if not punished, at least corrected:

    “However, it’s difficult to digest the true impact of police brutality without hard data. The federal government has no complete tracking or record system of how many civilians are killed by the police. Instead, the FBI runs a voluntary program that law enforcement organizations can choose to report to.

    “We live in a time and space that dictates that if we can’t prove it with data, then it didn’t happen,” Brittany Packnett, who is a part of President Barack Obama’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing, told the Guardian. ” –https://mic.com/articles/129981/10-police-brutality-statistics-that-are-absolutely-shocking#.nx6l8vHlF

    That the “criminal justice system” doesn’t even track these events is a sure sign it isn’t considered important and they have no intention of ending the practice of police brutality. The police are more dangerous than the criminals. In fact, the police are the real criminals.

    • P Ray
      June 26, 2017 at 2:19 pm

      The police are more dangerous than the criminals. In fact, the police are the real criminals.
      That’s because they have relations in the political arena. Birds of a feather flock together, and in politics where it’s “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” … do you expect people of integrity as an outcome of that transaction? Governments are probably the biggest “criminal gangs”.

    • June 26, 2017 at 2:37 pm

      That David Clarke SOB loves to get on TV and say “There is no data.” That can easily be debunked, as smartphones and surveillance cameras reveal it a lot. Why would data be needed then?!

      • Yusef
        February 25, 2019 at 7:15 pm

        I never before saw this question from 2017. What I meant was organizations such as the FBI do not collect data on these things, not that there was no data at all. What I infer from the FBI not collecting this data was it meant the FBI is willing to ignore the problem and will ignore the problem forever unless they are forced to deal with it by the people collecting the data in the more informal but very valid ways you mention. I doubt it, though.

        Does anyone else notice in 2019 there seems to be much less smartphone and surveillance camera documentation showing up? Why is that? It occurs to me we’d see less if the mainstream media stopped disseminating it, which would be well within their powers to do. Some of the incidents I studied in detail on the web, such as the murder of Sandra Bland, I first heard about from a mainstream source. I wouldn’t have tracked it down if I hadn’t.

  8. P Ray
    June 27, 2017 at 6:47 am

    Just wanted to add this here:
    White Police Officer in St. Louis Shoots Off-Duty Black Colleague

    An image from a YouTube video after an off-duty police officer came out of his house and was shot in the arm by another police officer in St. Louis. Credit KSDK News, via YouTube

    A white police officer shot and wounded an off-duty black officer who had been trying to help with an arrest in St. Louis last week, a “friendly fire” shooting that again drew national attention to the role race plays in decisions by law enforcement officials to open fire.

  9. thegenius
    June 28, 2017 at 3:23 am

    As silicon valley enters terminal decline, and America slowly transforming into a petroleum and natural gas exporting superpower. US will surely become a more and more conservative and religious country.

    • Yusef
      June 28, 2017 at 5:16 pm

      There’s a steady and sustained decline in American oil imports from the historical peak in 2006-2007, but so far it appears this is a return to historical–post OPEC– levels of around 5,000,000 barrels per day. There’s no sign America is about to become an exporter of crude and petroleum products. But even if it did, what would induce you to call it a raw materials, natural resource-dependent “superpower”? That’s pretty much a contradiction of terms. If the U.S. does revert to such a primitive economic basis, it is only because it is sunk far below the first rank of nations, as we see with Russia, which really does depend on oil exporting. That’s assuming Russia is actually a nation, which is assuming a great deal, really. It’s no superpower outside the coked-out hysterics of some in the beltway.

      Do you think a poverty-stricken and powerless USA automatically will be more conservative and religious? Is that your point. If so, why?

  10. June 28, 2017 at 11:38 am

    Cops are a bunch of ex-military douchebags with their dream job: to get paid to go on power trips. They’re basically a gang that gets backed by the state to keep the other gangs down. They’re naturally going to be unpleasant people who are sometimes stupid and brutal, a fact of life every other community in the country deals with because they’re necessary to have around(as Baltimore demonstrates) whether we like them or not. The best approach is to stay out of their way and avoid attracting their attention.

    Black people, though, want to politicize it every time someone with their skin color gets shot.
    Admittedly some incidents are appalling like that guy who got a whole clip emptied into his back while he was unarmed and running away.
    But the mistake the black community makes is publicizing assholes like Michael Brown a bully the size of an NFL football player who used his bulk to push people around, wreck, and loot their property while talking shit. That he died while resisting arrest isn’t exactly a tear-jerker. And there’s Trayvon too who got shot while beating the crap out of someone, not exactly pity-inducing. No one feels sorry for white meth heads who pull the same sort of stunts.

    And the idea that whites are especially terrible to blacks just demonstrates how insulated they are. If whites are politically marginalized, blacks should understand many Mexicans and non-assimilated Asians regard them as literally subhuman and would have no qualms about wiping them out, as Southern California already demonstrates. Whites like any other ethnic group are going to be most friendly to people who look and think like them. Blacks are actually more insular than whites are by far. That whites even tried to be inclusive of other groups makes them rather exceptional. Most peoples throughout history have been unapologetically nepotistic in favor of their tribe.

    Black people need to actually tone it down and chill out as they’re already overplaying their hand. If they’re a pain in the ass to everyone at the bargaining table, they’ll end up getting nothing and losing the game, but I get the feeling they, as a community, aren’t really thinking this through.

    • J.M.
      July 13, 2017 at 8:19 am

      Exactly. Most blacks are so unaware of how defenseless they really are. They are not only a minority in the States, they are by far the most undisciplined, having learned nothing from history. They should try to stay under the radar and practice self-restrain (and train in self-defense) instead of wasting their time…

      Don’t you have some right-wing forum to go back to?

  11. neoconned
    June 29, 2017 at 8:14 am

    I generally agree with the thread of the article. I work with a lot of Hispanics, and it’s incredible to me just how racist they are toward blacks I also work with. Just because you are yourself non-white clearly doesn’t mean you aren’t hostile toward blacks.

    I happen to be old enough to remember a bit of the 1950s. I remember how blacks desperately wanted to be accepted by the white community by emulating white middle class values and dress and behavior. History reminds us that this effort generally failed.

    Because this failed, blacks overcompensated in some ways. Black Power and some of the militant actions taken under that banner actually widened the gap between blacks and the rest of American society. That gap remains, even as black billionaires have emerged (Oprah and the indicted sex offender Bill Cosby being but two). Normally, such financial success means that the general white population will offer a grudging form of acceptance. This doesn’t appear to have happened for blacks.

    As for Muslim family vengeance, does anyone recall the incidents in San Diego involving the wife of the commanding officer of the USS Vincennes, which shot down the Iranian airliner? The US Government was frantic in trying to stomp out the flames which arose from some suspicious actions and instead attributing them to normal everyday events. I remain doubtful.

  12. P Ray
    July 20, 2017 at 10:51 pm

    Oh well, pick enough trigger-happy people to enter the police, and this is what happens:
    eventually someone kills a white woman.

    Will this wind up like another double standard, “Missing White Woman Syndrome”? Stay tuned!

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