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On Long Term Social, Economic and Cultural Effects of Job Insecurity: 1

A couple of weeks ago, an older acquaintance casually asked me about whether I intended to “settle down” someday soon. While that question was not unusual coming from somebody of her generation, it got me thinking about what it means to be able to “settle down” in the current era. I have a feeling that many, if not all, of you have been in a similar conversation with somebody a few decades older than yourself. As some of you might also know, well-paying and stable jobs with nice pensions used to be the norm in western countries since the end of WW2 till sometime in the mid-1980s. However the old ways continued for white-collar jobs, such as the one she had, right until the late 1990s-early 2000s.

In other words, career and income stability was the default state of affairs for most of the time since 1945. Now some of you might say that things used to be bad in even earlier eras such as the 1880s-1920s etc. My counterpoint is that there is a reason why life in those eras was so unstable and uncertain for everybody and is ultimately the reason why we had two world wars, multiple bloody revolutions and civil wars in the half century before WW2 ended. That is also why people like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco etc ascended to power and why right-wing militarism was ascendant in countries such as Japan during that era. Let us just say that there is as reason why so many developed countries implement sweeping socialist reforms in the aftermath of WW2.

The point I am trying to make is that previous experiments with laissez-faire capitalism have reproducibly lead to similar results across a number of countries and cultures. To put this in a contemporary perspective, there is a reason why Trump won the presidential election in 2016, the ‘leave’ side won in the 2015 Brexit referendum and so many European countries have seen the resurgence of right-wing nationalist parties. Anybody with more than half a brain can now see that Fukuyama’s “End of History” was just another example of the delusional ivy-league fantasy of power and control. All these warning signs have, however, not had much of an impact on those who are pushing for more neoliberalism. All these visible signs of public dislike for their policies, has if anything, increased their enthusiasm for furthering them.

But how does any of this play out at the level of the individual, family, society, nation-state etc? As many of you know, I have written many posts in the past about issues related to these changes such as spread of social atomization (link 1, link 2), collapse of normal relations between the sexes (link 3), loss of the normal life cycle of people and families (link 4), widespread mercenary attitudes among people (link 5, link 6), loss of public faith in institutions (link 7) etc. Most of what I have written on this topic thus far is, however, mostly about how people react to neoliberalism as state policy and some short and medium scale social changes. What about long-term changes? What would be the potential long-term social, economic and cultural effects of income and career insecurity?

Well.. as you must have realized by now, this is a large topic which cannot be adequately addressed in two or three posts, let alone a single one. Furthermore many potential long-term effects cannot be neatly characterized into distinct categories, since there is a lot of feedback and cross-talk among various aspects of these effects. So let me start by making the most obvious observation about the future of neoliberalism. Based on what I have seen to date, it is unlikely that neoliberalism (in any of its flavors) can be reformed into something gentler and less rapacious. The biggest beneficiaries and supporters of neoliberalism will keep on pushing it till they cease to exist- and you can read that statement in more than one way.

As a corollary, neoliberalism (in any form) is not sustainable beyond the next decade (at most)- but not because of its negative effects on the environment or some similar delusional reason. The real reason behind the unsustainability of that ideology has to do with its effect on society aka the host. Neoliberalism, you see, is a lot like a parasite or cancer in that it requires a host or system which operate on very different principles than itself. However every increase in its numbers and extent of spread compromises the normal functioning of the very system and environment which make its “success” possible.

Let us start by talking about one of the most obvious effects of neoliberalism, but one that is seldom connected to it- extreme sub-replacement fertility. While there has been a consistent worldwide reduction in rates of fertility over the last few decades, even in traditionally high fertility countries, the sub-replacement and still dropping rates of fertility in “developed” countries stand apart from the rest due to a number of factors. Firstly, the rate drop in those countries is due to factors beyond elimination of excessive childhood mortality. To be more precise, financial and career costs of having children combined with negative utility of having them are, by far, the main reasons for persistently sub-replacement fertility rates seen in “developed” countries.

Secondly, and perhaps more significantly, the most significant drops are seen in those who are actively engaged in neoliberal “competition”- either for jobs and career or money. While people with this profile were once the minority, the increase in neoliberal-style “competition” for things as basic as jobs which pay a decent wage and are fairly stable has made this particular type of childlessness very common in younger sections of the population. There is of course, the irony, that those who are most invested in furthering their career through the neoliberal paradigm (and thus its most loyal foot soldiers) often have no children or one token child conceived when they are in their 40s.

While my views on having or not having children are neutral, it is worthwhile to note that part of reason neoliberalism will fail is that its most devout foot-soldiers (credentialed classes, professionals, aspiring types) will be neither truly rich nor capable of producing enough devout new worshipers of that ideology. To put it another way- even without other factors, neoliberalism as an ideology will decline as the number and influence of its most devout followers falls with every passing year. In contrast to this, blue-collar workers and not-so-connected white-collar types have no vested interest in supporting neoliberalism- irrespective of their fertility rates. To make a long story short, neoliberalism (like parasites and other ideologies) cannot survive the demise of their vectors.

In the next part of this series, I will try to focus on a related problem- namely, the fact that all those aspiring and credentialed/professional types who worship neoliberalism will themselves never have a secure livelihood or become truly rich.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. P Ray
    December 27, 2017 at 4:55 am

    The funny thing about it though, is that neoliberalism has also actually made it clear to many men – getting younger and younger over time, mind – that a relationship with a girl is simply: “She’s not yours, it’s just YOUR TURN” … and of course if they are the regular/ugly 80% of men rather than the top 20% … your turn will be very expensive indeed, and the reality that any woman approaching you when she is the same age as you … is looking for a meal ticket and someone to help buy a house with her as she can’t afford the payments with her Bachelor’s of Social Science / Gender Studies / Political Science / Counselling rort.

  2. P Ray
    December 27, 2017 at 4:58 am

    Secondly, and perhaps more significantly, the most significant drops are seen in those who are actively engaged in neoliberal “competition”- either for jobs and career or money. While people with this profile were once the minority, the increase in neoliberal-style “competition” for things as basic as jobs which pay a decent wage and are fairly stable has made this particular type of childlessness very common in younger sections of the population. There is of course, the irony, that those who are most invested in furthering their career through the neoliberal paradigm (and thus its most loyal foot soldiers) often have no children or one token child conceived when they are in their 40s.

    Feminism can only be effectively defeated, when older women or younger women have their partners/sons/relatives losing jobs to other women … and those bereft women … stand up to oppose it.
    Of course, with the double standard against jail time and punishment that many women enjoy, it will be tough sending women who kill other women to jail … or even women who kill men that have female relatives. Double-edged sword indeed.

    • P Ray
      December 27, 2017 at 11:14 am

      Of course the subtexts are … and for a great many men who are considered “not attractive”, always will be: “She’s better than you despite being useless” and “as a man you are a tool, not a person – your complaints don’t mean anything”.
      That’s one of the reasons why marriages collapse too, husband realises the wife has a primary emotion of contempt, directed towards him.
      And of course, in many places around the world, the government is on the wife’s side no matter how awful she is.

    • Eduardo the Magnificent
      December 27, 2017 at 1:00 pm

      Feminism can only be effectively defeated, when older women or younger women have their partners/sons/relatives losing jobs to other women … and those bereft women … stand up to oppose it.

      That will never happen, for two reasons. One, if the author is correct and fertility declines to the point of one token baby, then by definition half of those babies will be male. Some of those males will succeed despite the feminist interference, so assuming that all women with shafted sons protest, you’re looking at a minority of women doing so. They will be squashed.

      Second, there was an article a few years ago by a woman who decried that feminism and the school system were making her son out to be a monster, when she knew he was just a sweet, innocent boy. However, she could not find a solution to that problem that didn’t abandon feminism completely, so she shrugged her shoulders and left the solution hanging. Women will need self-awareness to voluntarily abandon feminism, and they simply don’t have it.

      Feminism will have to be forcefully taken away by men, not given away by women. There simply is no other option that will work.

      • P Ray
        December 27, 2017 at 5:22 pm
      • P Ray
        December 27, 2017 at 5:44 pm

        That will never happen, for two reasons. One, if the author is correct and fertility declines to the point of one token baby, then by definition half of those babies will be male. Some of those males will succeed despite the feminist interference, so assuming that all women with shafted sons protest, you’re looking at a minority of women doing so. They will be squashed.

        Pretty sure a lot of women are actively aborting male babies because they buy into feminist propaganda PLUS they’re aware too that women are coddled in the real (Western) world. So it’s all fine and dandy until the ride ends. Then they’ll gleefully become the shared wife of Chad Thundercock (women “don’t want all of a loser, but don’t mind having part of a winner”)

  3. P Ray
    December 27, 2017 at 5:16 am

    While my views on having or not having children are neutral, it is worthwhile to note that part of reason neoliberalism will fail is that its most devout foot-soldiers (credentialed classes, professionals, aspiring types) will be neither truly rich nor capable of producing enough devout new worshipers of that ideology. To put it another way- even without other factors, neoliberalism as an ideology will decline as the number and influence of its most devout followers falls with every passing year. In contrast to this, blue-collar workers and not-so-connected white-collar types have no vested interest in supporting neoliberalism- irrespective of their fertility rates. To make a long story short, neoliberalism (like parasites and other ideologies) cannot survive the demise of their vectors.

    Absolutely true. In many companies it is very good rule of thumb that each person there is required to contribute to the sale of say 100,000 currency units per year, and their salary is a small portion of this.
    In some places other though it is even worse, it’s 23,000 currency units per month for them to receive 1,000 currency units in income.

    Of course, there will be CONservative and LIEberal morons who don’t understand that that money is simply not enough to have a family with AND pay people to educate your kids. Perhaps things will change when enough rich people die travelling through poor neighbourhoods or get drunk-driver’d while out-and-about. As you said when someone tells you “The world is unfair” … the correct response is “unfairness has its consequences.”

  4. P Ray
    December 27, 2017 at 5:32 am

    As an example of how neoliberalism is working out (in terms of making sure the disenfranchised don’t get more violent to gum up the delicate workings of a psychopathically-led society):
    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5214137/Shoplifters-steal-200-not-pursued.html
    Sharp rise in shoplifting is blamed on police not pursuing criminals if they have stolen less than £200
    Major retailers have accused the Home Office of failing to stop shoplifting
    Under new laws, those who steal less than £200 will be dealt with by post
    Shoplifting is estimated to cost the economy more than £6 billion a year
    Retailers have warned the government of ‘prolific and persistent’ criminals

  5. Conscience constituent
    December 27, 2017 at 6:35 am

    My grandfather had two master’s degrees and worked as a high level white collar government employee.
    He was your typical devoted husband and as my father said himself he had very little sex in the marriage and i’m assuming before getting married as well.

    He smoked A LOT.

    This marriage produced a son that loved and respected him but ultimately was more attached to his mother.

    To her credit his wife worked too,but unlike him she had no higher education and while i’m sure her government job was well compensated he made the lion share of the family’s income.

    He was the same age of his wife and died six years earlier than her.

    He fought in WW1 as a voluntary and was called to fight again in the second one.

    My other grandfather was a craftsman,the youngest of many siblings he was sent to live with his older sister that worked as a cleaning lady,this sister was 18 older than him.
    As soon as he was old enough to work he was sent to work to support her.

    He worked a second job without telling anyone to earn more more money and gave to his sister most of the income,keeping little for himself.

    He fought in WW2 and went through some really rough times.

    He married at age 31,had probably very little sex both before and after the marriage.

    His wife have more or less the same education than him and she stayed at home coocking and cleaning and thus contributing nothing to the family’s income and avoiding the great burden and fatigue commonly associated with unskilled labour.

    He had two daughters,both feminists both ungrateful towards him that he put through college despite not having been able to finish highschool himself.

    He died at age sixty from fatigue,his older sister,18 years his senior died at age 91 and his wife died at age 84.

    Also when my grandfather was alive one of our relatives,who fought in the spanish civil war was romantically attached to a younger unmarried woman,his family often urged him to leave the country because,with his political views staying in the country was dangerous and basically this woman led him by the nose for some time and then he was captured by the nazis and killed,according to my grandmother she likely had a hand in it.

    Also my mother tells me that even in my grandfather’s time there were cases of husbands being beaten by their own wives and my grandmother knew one of such men.

    Do you mind telling me what “collapse of normal relations between the sexes” means?

    Even in the “old days” women were very hostile and callous towards men and have always been trying to maximixe the utility they get from men without no regards for the effect that this had on men themselves,much like a intrepreur with the workforce he/she employs or a member of the professional class with his/her clients.

    Does this older female friend of yours know that you havesex with prostitutes?
    What does she have to say on that?

    • Conscience constituent
      December 27, 2017 at 6:39 am

      The bottom line is that marriage has always been a shitty deal for men and this has nothing to do with neoliberalism.

      And I have said so in my older posts. The difference between then and now is that women do not even attempt to pretend otherwise.

      • P Ray
        December 27, 2017 at 11:17 am

        Marriage has always been a shitty deal for the men women “settle down” with, because women only SETTLE DOWN WITH MEN THEY CAN CONTROL.
        Most women wouldn’t mind a fling with a famous person – they just don’t like the effort of staying married to one.
        Plus for the guys they settle down with, the men can observe “Women like to GET married … they don’t like to STAY married”
        e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retired_husband_syndrome
        Retired husband syndrome (主人在宅ストレス症候群 Shujin Zaitaku Sutoresu Shoukougun, literally One’s Husband Being at Home Stress Syndrome)[1] (RHS) is a psychosomatic, stress related illness which has been estimated to occur in 60% of Japan’s older female population.[2] It is a condition where a woman begins to exhibit signs of physical illness and depression as their husband reaches, or approaches, retirement.[2]

  6. General Observer
    December 28, 2017 at 8:33 am

    I know exactly one non-religious middle-class family with four children. Both parents are college faculty in a moderate cost of living region. They can live in a town with very good schools on their incomes, and the children go to college with deep discounts because of the faculty status.

    I suspect that might have something to do with the decision to have that many children.

  7. December 28, 2017 at 1:54 pm

    I don’t know why the comment section took such an MRA twist but I’d like to throw my two cents in and ask you a question.

    1 – I believe in historical materialism. Our culture and habits change according to changes in environmental factors like the economy or technology. The reason so few young people get married and have children today is probably because of a host of factors like contraceptives for women, job insecurity, men being surpassed by women in education off the top of my head.

    2 – I agree with you. I’d say women have always parasitized men and that’s the natural state of things, no reason to be angry.

    3 – Since you all seem so smart here 🙂 I wanted to ask you a question that has bugged me the whole day…how do you think it is that “women” as an aggregate manage to persevere in this collective delusion called 3rd wave feminism? How do they manage to act so cohesively in hiding the truth and deflecting criticism?
    Feminism and most importantly what red pillers with whom I do not completely identify call it conditioning.
    The more I think about it there more I realize there’s some deep biological thing going on here…whenever I ask questions regarding gender and culture on Quora for example, I only get replies of people supporting the feminism dogma.
    I’m far from being an alt right guy and I’m skeptical of a lot of what red pillers say, but I’m fascinated by this concerted effort to stifle the truth.
    I think women might actually be hard wired to try and steer us away from the truth.


    I have answered that question in an earlier post..

    https://dissention.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/why-feminism-succeeds-while-its-male-versions-always-fail/

    • P Ray
      December 28, 2017 at 4:22 pm

      1. Nope, the reasons so few young people get married today are: a. Women holding out for Chad Thundercock (fertility rates have dropped AROUND THE WORLD) b. Men knowing they’ll get screwed if they marry a cockhopper c. Men are the ones carrying the can if the marriage fails BECAUSE women usually target men with more to lose as COMPENSATION for not being able to get the men they want.
      The book you want to read is “Promises I Can Keep”

      2. Women have always parasited the men they can’t be bothered to respect. Have you seen a woman terrified of talking to other men because they’ll lose the affection of the guy they’re with? I have – and she was German, Ms. Telle.

      3. Feminism has always been about expanding female coddlement and sexual variety while doing the reverse to men. Advocatus / Dissention has another article you should read:
      https://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/monotheism-leads-to-misandry/

      • January 1, 2018 at 5:30 am

        Man I think you jump to conclusions too quickly and I’m sure that you could come across as wiser and less biased if you stopped using – and thinking in terms of – words like “Chad Thundercock”. We’re not at some bible lecture where we have to use metaphores the whole time…. also…what do you mean by Ms. Telle? haha

      • P Ray
        January 1, 2018 at 5:08 pm

        Man I think you jump to conclusions too quickly and I’m sure that you could come across as wiser and less biased if you stopped using – and thinking in terms of – words like “Chad Thundercock”.
        If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for everything the LIEberals and CONservatives spout.

        what do you mean by Ms. Telle? haha
        That was her name, haha, unless you thought I was talking about it was an Asian girl chasing White cock, or a Turkish girl trying to integrate in Germany.

        Nope, this was a German girl who was terrified she was going to lose her abusive boyfriend.

        P.S. Try to use sources, not just your opinion, to back up your views. Otherwise you look like an uninformed hick.

    • December 30, 2017 at 10:43 am

      “…I think women might actually be hard wired to try and steer us away from the truth…”

      As a 61-year-old who’s pondered these issues and questions since I was a precocious eleven, I hypothesize that, in the random, “pieced-together-just-well-enough-so-the-organism-survives” imperfection of evolution, our branch of humans which has managed to exist longest contains a combination of mammal instincts and of just enough-but-not-too-much self-aware capacity for reasoning and rational thinking. Meaning, I suspect the species as a whole is wired to prevent us from making decisions based primarily on truth and facts.

      Otherwise, given the illogic of overpopulating the planet (on the macro level); and, given the illogic of bringing another human being, who has no choice in being born, into what is inevitably a struggle of pain to survive (on the individual level); we as humans might override our instincts to reproduce and our species be in danger of terminating.

      Women, especially, seem wired to “override facts with mammal instinct”. (As a related side note — isn’t it amazing that guys are typically condemned for their instinct to want sex, yet, women are praised for their instinct to want children?)

      • January 1, 2018 at 5:28 am

        (As a related side note — isn’t it amazing that guys are typically condemned for their instinct to want sex, yet, women are praised for their instinct to want children?) Yes, but wanting children is less – at least at face value! – about the selfish search for pleasure and novelty and more about giving life, creating a new person the community and the world at large can benefit from.
        I’d say that praising women for their instincts is something that in ancient times might have made a lot of sense, and from a lot of perspectives it still does.
        The economy needs more workers!
        But in 2018 even that’s getting controversial.
        I think we’re at a point now where our instincts are becoming increasingly unreliable because of how quickly the world around us is changing.

        I don’t think we have real alternatives to overpopulation at the moment. Maybe feminism who seems to lower the natality rates might be the best tool we have in our hands at the moment.

      • P Ray
        January 1, 2018 at 5:13 pm

        Yes, but wanting children is less – at least at face value! – about the selfish search for pleasure and novelty and more about giving life, creating a new person the community and the world at large can benefit from.

        Just LOL at that statement, the highest amount of criminals come from single mother households.
        Chad Thundercock won’t be chained, his legacy lives on through kids that will beat up your relatives and murder your grandparents.

        Keep thinking women’s choices shouldn’t be controlled. Of course, with the statement “Every individual is responsible for their actions” … and where murder gets a short sentence because the prisons are too full …

  8. Bob
    December 28, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    Have you ever read this by any chance (https://www.lrb.co.uk/v16/n07/edward-luttwak/why-fascism-is-the-wave-of-the-future)? Keep in mind Luttwak called all of this back in 1994.

  9. Gp
    December 28, 2017 at 11:49 pm

    Yo AD out of the topic but very imp. Please help me on this one.
    I had unprotected sex with a girl who had a fishy smelling vagina.
    Since then in have gotten the fishy smell, one small boil on inner lips and and a few boils on the thighs(I am unhygienic though), I am not sure but maybe even a thin film of white on dickehead.
    Could it be STD, should I get a check up. What tests should I get done and anything else related to it. Please help.

    Get a checkup.. could be more than one STD.

    • Yusef
      January 3, 2018 at 3:38 pm

      Err on the safe side: see a medical doctor ASAP. No one competent is going to attempt to diagnose your condition based on your own short and in no way comprehensive and complete descriptions.

  10. Hell Figure
    December 29, 2017 at 8:57 am

    In the past, people worked to survive, to grow food and hunt. Now, in cities, people work to hold onto privileged positions. Very few necessary workers are needed to produce food now. Housing is cheap outside of central cities. People give away clothes now! It costs more to get rid of consumables than to acquire them! We are post scarcity.

    Most people have been duped into believing status is intrinsically linked to an ability to consume. No, status is linked to access to the most privileged people. The most useless people. Jew lawyers, media figures, university administrators, corporate management, rent seekers in central cities.

  11. MikeCA
    December 30, 2017 at 7:28 am

    The 20th century was a war between communism, fascism and capitalism. Fascism was defeated in WW II, but at a very high cost. The industrial base of Europe and Asia was destroyed. In the late 1940s and 1950s the USA was in a unique position. It was the only major industrial power with an in tact industrial base. That allowed the USA to become the manufacturing giant of the world and created an economy that offered workers good benefits.

    By the 1960s the industrial bases in Asia and Europe had been rebuilt and the USA faced increasing competition in world markets. The USA manufacturing economy was also shaken by the end of very cheap oil. The cold war against communism continued until the 1991.

    In the period between 1945 and 1991, industry in the USA shared the wealth with ordinary working people. Starting in the 1980s with the lower of top tax rates, the wealth of corporations began to flow more and more to top management and the share holders. In the 1950s the top marginal federal tax rate was 91%. Since the 1980s the top tax rate has been between 28-40%. This has allowed the growth in corporate revenue to be redirected to the top management and share holders. With the collapse of world communism the capitalist felt no pressure anymore to treat workers fairly. Works simply became another commodity to be traded on the world market. If you could buy workers cheaper in China, move your manufacturing to China.

    In the 1950s and 60s, corporations recognized that their workers were an asset that needed to be preserved for the future growth of the company. By the 1990s workers were just a resource to be exploited and traded around the world.

    I believe it was a combination of the end of the cold war with changes about by the Reagen revolution with lower marginal tax rates that created the incentives to direct wealth from the workers to top management and share holders.

    The society where ordinary workers had good life time jobs actually only existed for a few decades. We need to recognize that the current state of employment insecurity is the expected end result of the changes put into effect by the Reagen revolution.

    • hoipolloi
      December 30, 2017 at 12:32 pm

      @MikeCA: Thanks for summarizing in a coherent way the evolution of corporate – employee relations in the U.S. since WW II. They ring true and give words to my thoughts.

      I want to add one thing that I have been noticing. With recent shifting of manufacturing and even R&D to Asian countries like China and India, the American management personnel visiting these facilities have learned first hand how an average employee can be pressured and abused. They see that you can get away a lot with exploitation of employees’ pay, privacy, basic rights etc. They bring back these ‘efficiency’ practices and I see shades of third world management techniques being implemented in the U.S. Gone are the days of Peter Drucker likes giving management advice to multinationals that would improve output with employees sharing in the resulting prosperity. Now it is first world adopting sweat shop management practices from else ware.

  12. neoconned
    December 30, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    I notice that no one raises automation as a reason jobs are becoming less common, less rewarding, and less lucrative. My own job (from which I am losing hope that I will ever get to retire from now that it is almost my time to do so) has lost so much of the work I once did because it is no longer necessary. Advances in technology have made maintenance essentially a “replace it when it fails” function. I am essentially a buggy-whip maker in a world of self-driving vehicles.

    I also no longer have the qualifications necessary to apply for the job I now hold. Little of the knowledge my employer asks for will ever be used, but this is the way my employer attempts to get the best possible candidates to hire. I’d be in a sorry world of hurt if my job ended – and it could.

    I have two sons who have struggled for years to get jobs which actually paid enough to cover their expenses. One just did so despite being blacklisted by a previous employer (yes, it happens). The other had to alter his major and spend additional time in school to become accredited to actually have a good paying career, which he will enter after graduation later in 2018.

    Neither son is in a hurry to date or marry. They don’t see working as hard as they have to achieve something only to see it wasted by some woman to sets her claws into him. They saw what their mother did to me and want no part of that. They see no value in letting a woman take everything a man has just because she can. They see insufficient value in the available women to even think about taking that risk.

    All men are in for a terrible time as this century progresses. I fear that the only job most males will soon have is that of going to war just so that some wealthy man can gain access to raw materials to make him even more wealthy. Just look at how many of America’s warriors live on the streets now that they can’t tote a gun for Uncle Scam anymore. Live to kill the other guy, and then die and decrease the surplus population.

    That isn’t a life any real man would ever aspire to.

    • hoipolloi
      January 1, 2018 at 12:38 pm

      @neo: “I notice that no one raises automation as a reason jobs are becoming less common, less rewarding, and less lucrative.” “I also no longer have the qualifications necessary to apply for the job I now hold. Little of the knowledge my employer asks for will ever be used…” “I fear that the only job most males will soon have is that of going to war just so that some wealthy man can gain access to raw materials to make him even more wealthy.”

      FWIW, I fully agree with your post. We along with our next generation are fighting on at least three fronts for a decent living standards: 1. automation, 2. work visas like H-1B and illegal immigration, and 3. outsourcing of jobs, both blue collar and white collar. We can face any one at a time but not all three running concurrently. The doom and gloom is mostly here and not in off-shore places where they have robust GDP growth in double digits. Whatever opportunities left here are mostly for the children of rich and well connected families. Though it impacts everyone in America, it can be hard on colored minorities. The people are provided with plenty fake news and lies as remedy. I cry for our children’s future.

    • Yusef
      January 3, 2018 at 4:02 pm

      I also sympathize with your post (and Hoi Polloi’s response) but notice neither of you consider the possibility of those of us who find ourselves so threatened ever consider banding together to protect our interests. See:

      1. Automation– NOT GOOD IF IT LEADS TO UNEMPLOYMENT, but a great thing in two ways: a) A worker can accomplish more in less time. Accomplishing more, more is produced, scarcity is reduced, more messes can be cleaned up, and so on. And this: anything that can be automated is to just that extent drudgery and I don’t know about anyone else, but I won’t be sorry to see the end of drudgery. Automation can be used to provide more leisure time for the good things in life, like loving.

      2. Work Visas like H-1B: NOT GOOD IF USED TO DILUTE THE SUPPLY OF SKILLED LABOR in order to drive down the price paid to skill labor, but a great thing if it contributes to the circulation of skill and cooperation nation to nation. I don’t hate the H-1B people– most of the time they’re tops. I can learn from them, I can befriend them. (Now and then there might be an actual shortage of the skill they offer, and then also this is a good program.) It is only when we are driven into a pernicious competition with them where they undercut our wages do we really have an objection to their presence.

      3.Out-sourcing: NOT GOOD FOR THE WORKING CLASS and I can’t say it is a great thing because it helps the rich– they don’t need the help. I think working class Americans were suckered into this when the working class was suckered into Individual Retirement Account investing which led people to believe their interests were the interests of Wall Street and the swelling of an IRA and Wall Street did coincide (for a time.) The working class has a real interest in old age security and a comfortable retirement; this legitimate interest is best served by severing identification with the rich and Wall Street…I believe that is something we’ll need to cooperate on to achieve, because as the jobs were being outsourced people didn’t seem alarmed until it was their own job on the line. (I almost think the late 90’s stock boom was a distraction contrived to disguise outsourcing and loss of American manufacturing.

      What I’m saying is all is not lost unless we lose faith in each other and I do not think we need to lose faith in each other. We could overcome these trends and it could happen quickly. I’m not exactly an optimist, but I still have to say that.

  13. Hell Figure
  1. January 1, 2018 at 9:13 pm

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