Some Initial Thoughts on Alex Minassian and the Toronto Van Attack
Yesterday a guy known as Alex Minassian drove a rented van on the sidewalk along Yonge Street in Toronto, killing at least 10 people and injuring about 15 more. He later tried to get killed by confronting the cops. However Canadian cops are nowhere as trigger happy as the american counterparts and in the end he was arrested without incident. Since incidents such as these are rather unusual in Canada, it is worth looking into why an otherwise nondescript guy studying computer science at a local community college decided to do something usually associated with religious-inspired terrorism.
1] Let us talk about the first and most obvious question that came into the mind of many people when they first heard about this incident- namely, was he a Muslim? Well.. given his surname, it is almost certain he is Armenian. As some of you might know, Armenians are unabashedly and almost exclusively Christian with most of them being of the Armenian Apostolic branch of the Church. While you do infrequently come across Armenians who converted to religions other than Christianity, it is rather uncommon. So.. ya, the guy almost certainly did not run over all those people because some Saudi-born mullah told him to do so.
2] One of the less publicized and “newsworthy” part of this story is that he was taking courses related to IT and programming at a well-known local community college. It seems that he was even listed as the developer in more than one app, including one to locate parking spots in Toronto– and yes, I can see the irony. To be clear, the guy may have issues with being shy and withdrawn when growing up- but he most certainly has a higher than average intelligence. Also a new report which showed the house he lived in suggests that the guy (or his parents) were reasonably well off.
3] And this brings us to some news reports, which I first saw late yesterday, claiming that he had posted on Facebook just before the rampage about being an ‘incel’ and being inspired by Elliot Roger’s 2014 killing spree around Santa Barbara. As I have said in older posts (link 1, link 2, link 3), the ‘supreme gentleman’ probably had a far bigger cultural impact than many people are willing to believe. While I did initially consider such a connection sketchy and likely a prank perpetrated by the good people on 4chan and 8chan, the evidence stacking up since yesterday suggests that it was the likely reason for his rampage.
4] Which brings me to an interesting question about his likely motivations. You see.. prostitution in Canada, though technically not legal, is very widespread (especially in large metros), openly advertised, relatively inexpensive and fairly safe. The guy could easily have easily chosen between thousands of escorts, paid somewhere between 200-350 Canadian dollars per hour, and had satisfying sex with some pretty hot women. The question, then, is whether he availed himself of these services or not. The guy was clearly not dead broke and wanted female sexual companionship. So did he or did he not?
5] Another important question is whether he was looking for something between sexual companionship by the hour. I suspect that he wanted something beyond casual paid sex, specifically attention from and adoration by at least one woman he was fucking. While I personally do not understand the insipid and worthless ego boosts that some men seem to get from such bullshit, it still seems to be an issue for some men. I have always wondered if men with borderline autism or similar neuro-atypical stuff are especially prone to seek such validation from women.
6] The lack of a manifesto or some sort of public explanation by him is also a bit peculiar, especially since the guy was fairly proficient with computers. I mean.. he could have easily posted a written or video manifesto in a manner that would ensure its automatic release to a large audience a few hours after his rampage. So did he write or make a video about his motivations? What about postings to forums frequented by tech-savvy NEETs? Also what drove him to go on that rampage yesterday, rather than say the day before that or the previous month or previous year? In other words, what was the specific trigger for this rampage.
Will write more on this topic based on further revelations and reader responses.
What do you think? Comments?
“While I personally do not understand the insipid and worthless ego boosts that some men seem to get from such bullshit, it still seems to be an issue for some men” I would say the majority not just “Some”, otherwise the blue pill wouldn’t be the de facto commonality.
Boys are programmed from early childhood to seek mommy’s approval by accomplishments, whereas girls are programmed to seek daddy’s approval by looking pretty. Such difference of programming is the very essence of what makes men and women so different. Biological differences are trivial by comparison. A young man who does NOT care about validation or appoval by women is as psychologically damaged as a young woman who doesn’t care about being attractive to men. (Such men and women will almost certainly not reproduce, so the damage is only one generation.)
Breaking free of childhood programming is a worthwhile goal, since this elevates us to godlike status. But anyone fully free of childhood programming just masturbates or uses a fleshlight (or perhaps a corpse like the Indian Agoris) for pleasure/relief of tension, rather than bothering with escorts. The fact that OP mentions escorts in Canada are beautiful means OP is still desperate for validation, since from the purely bodily point of view, all wet holes are basically interchangeable and beauty is irrelevant.
His choice of “expression” does seem to be based on mimicry — that’s true of crime, suicide, and many other behaviors where “copying” seems to be a weak motivation, but often plays a key role.
“The guy was clearly not dead broke and wanted female sexual companionship. So did he or did he not?”
The intuitive thought is that low-status men with not much to lose are the dudes who would go on killing spree’s. However, it is not guys like me doing this, I am trying to squeeze as much happiness from my meager life as possible. This dude, Paddock and little Eliot were able to afford things outside of my range. Vacations, prostitutes, nice dinners, nice cars et al. So, they had to be seeking something else. My guess is fame or notoriety. If David Futrelle and the libtard media actually cared about the people they claim to care about, they would never utter the names of these murders. That would be a step in denying them the notoriety they may be seeking. One thing that suggests he wasn’t seeking notoriety is the lack of a manifesto or much of an online presence beyond his app and fakebook posting.
“While I personally do not understand the insipid and worthless ego boosts that some men seem to get from such bullshit, it still seems to be an issue for some men.”
Most men. You seem to have a blind spot to this. Remember when you presented your ideas at IMF and all the guys ripped you apart? You may justify paying $200 for a good time and that is your right.
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You meant to to say that mediocre people did not agree with my methods and solutions. Ya.. I don’t care about their opinions.
I can point you in the right direction. You know how many feminist’s say porn is just rape? Well, look at allot of it. It’s not just a disinterested woman opening her legs, letting you do your thing. It is a woman with a lustful look (even though she is acting.) Most men don’t just want a beautiful woman, they want a woman who wants them on some level. If male fantasy was what feminist’s claim, porn would look allot different….
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Escorts not born in NA are as much fun in bed as most “unpaid” women. Also, I avoid ex-strippers, ex-models and other similar headcases.
what many men like…
https://goo.gl/images/qhnQFf
what feminists say men like…
https://goo.gl/images/72DMTK
see the difference????
In Mala Fide / Matt Forney is an alt-righter who has been shown out to be not an “Alpha” male but talks a good game
AND
30% of porn – especially the most extreme violent kind – is watched by women.
Porn is just romance novels for men.
Most women – and their choice of mate being taller, stronger and more educated – is just the reality that women WANT to be dominated:
They just want to be able to pick the best dominator.
And most women are unhappy because, the guy they’re with ISN’T the guy they’re attracted to,
which is why sex AFTER marriage stops:
1. she has now a legal right to deny him sex
2. she is entitled to his money
3. any claims of domestic violence against him will be believed – because she chose a guy bigger than her.
Women like to “concern troll” men’s choices because they want to restrict men’s choices, but be seen as moral and kind, not calculative and ruthless (which they are towards regular men).
“Most men don’t just want a beautiful woman, they want a woman who wants them on some level.”
“Many” might be more accurate than “most”, but…yes, I agree.
For my specific wiring, I’ve always needed mutual sexual desire from a woman for me to be sexually interested in her. I have zero against pay-for sex — my own wife has done online cam work for several years — but I can’t even get aroused if i’m aware a woman is merely “letting me have sex with her” instead of “lusting after me.” Even during most of my 38 years of marriage, I have only wanted sex when my wife has wanted sex.
I actually wish i was otherwise, but, I’ve been wired this way since I was a teen.
I’ve solved this dilemma for myself for all my life (I’m age 62,a lifelong-“no-steroids” bodybuilder)) by
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1) foregoing sex when no mutually-interested woman (including my wife) has been available — I won’t do desperation, won’t bargain, won’t manipulate, won’t negotiate with any woman for sex. Woman have to have sex with me on my terms.
2) stating my conditions up front. My wife and I have been swingers then open-marrieds for the past fifteen years. I don’t “shop” for playmates — i let women find me; and, I make explicitly clear from the first that I will not pay for their dinners, the motel rooms, the travel expenses, or any other costs — if women want me, it’s all out of their purse.
I’m certainly not anything resembling movie-star looks, but — I have never lacked for sex partners since i was age twenty.
Are you “jacked”? If yes, has it increased your success with women? Thanks.
“While I personally do not understand the insipid and worthless ego boosts that some men seem to get from such bullshit, it still seems to be an issue for some men. I have always wondered if men with borderline autism or similar neuro-atypical stuff are especially prone to seek such validation from women.”
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Charles Bukowski once said that in spite of a man’s machismo and bravado, men want love and validation from a woman. Whereas women are more skilled at drama and betrayal.
AD, you have just described the mentality of a lot of traditional minded, retarded men who are stuck in nostalgia and want so badly to be seen as “kings and leaders.” Their one ambition in life is to either lead a woman or “slut shame” women into wanting to be loyal to them. This also describes a lot of punks who spend all day online reading game and PUA blogs.
This ALSO reminds me of the line in the movie “Chasing Amy” where a black character said men need to believe they are Marco Polo when it comes to sex, as if they are the only ones who has ever explored new territories.
Pathetic.
What this guy said.
I forgot to add that MGTOW blogs are obsessed with trying to control or “lead” women and chain them to their side, just to fulfill their sorry-ass egos. The same fucktards who regurgitate bogus CONservative memes and blow their loads by listening to Jordan B. Peterson or some other irrelevant jackass saying “casual sex is wrong”, or whatever… yet these same talking heads have many sexual harassment claims against them. Go fucking figure… I don’t wanna hear that shit.
Mr. Odessa said:
I forgot to add that MGTOW blogs are obsessed with trying to control or “lead” women and chain them to their side,
I’ve read many MGTOW blogs and their primary obsession is being left alone to do their own thing. The acronym “MGTOW” (Men Going Their Own Way) implies this. So you’re simply displaying your own ignorance with the above statement.
yet these same talking heads have many sexual harassment claims against them.
Which talking heads specifically? Accusations of sexual harassment sure are a convenient method of revenge.
Ray Manta –
If you go on YouTube, you will find a lot of MGTOWs are like “The Wall of Silence”. The latter was an organization of black men trying to build pacts and keeping women out of their conversations. But all they do is argue and engage in pissing matches with the same kind of people they claim they want nothing to do with. A lot of these MGTOW types on YouTuve act just like the WOSers.
While some claim they are about “going their own way”, they argue with women, attack women, fight over who has more “swirling” options and they ALSO adapt some CONservative ideology. And they do this every time somebody mentions that their “culture” or “race” is facing possible extinction. So what is their solution? Bring back the “good ole 1950s” and repeal women’s rights, blah blah blah. This is the same garbage that gets peddled on sites like Chateau Horseshit and RooshV’s “return of drag queens” websites. As Thugtician said, they have no interest in doing anything with a woman, except catching them and chaining them to their side.
Mr. Odessa said:
If you go on YouTube, you will find a lot of MGTOWs are like “The Wall of Silence”.
I have and have seen for myself the difficulties of keeping women away from them. One guy I listened to for a while actually needed moderators to boot them off his channel.
They’d come on repeatedly during a live stream, and they’d then be kicked off as many times as it took.
But all they do is argue and engage in pissing matches with the same kind of people they claim they want nothing to do with.
So who came to who? That is a perennial difficulty of MGTOW – you may not want the world, but the world sure wants you.
MGTOW philosophy breaks the model of men laboring to transfer resources to women, which is why they encounter to much resentment.
and they ALSO adapt some CONservative ideology.
Cuckservatives generally demand that men ‘man up’ and support a system that doesn’t benefit them. In fact, it’s designed to squeeze them dry and spit them out. MGTOWs rightly ask what’s in it for them.
So what is their solution? Bring back the “good ole 1950s” and repeal women’s rights, blah blah blah.
Problem with “women’s rights” is they collectively vote themselves progressively more benefits at men’s expense and also form women’s PACS for their own benefit. That’s why women’s suffrage is associated with an explosion in the welfare state.
Since men are the engine of society, this is not sustainable. So first world countries will either be taken over by groups that keep women in check (such as the Muslims taking over Western Europe) or evolve technological/sociological/economic solutions to counterbalance this one-sided relationship.
This is the same garbage that gets peddled on sites like Chateau Horseshit
Roissy drops some valuable insights occasionally but his blog has evolved too much into a white-supremacist site for my taste. I did enjoy his set of articles on sex robots and how they would alter the sexual marketplace.
and RooshV’s “return of drag queens” websites.
Again, I like some of what Roosh and his crew writes, but they’re too woman-centric.
Men need to believe they’re the first, otherwise the reality is:
They’re in an arrangement with a whore, not a relationship.
And in an arrangement, there has to be control.
It’s this dichotomy that makes a lot of men not want to commit:
The syllogism is:
Only a virgin is worth commitment without control
Most women are not virgins.
Therefore most women are only worth commitment WITH control.
he had posted on Facebook just before the rampage about being an ‘incel’ and being inspired by Elliot Roger
http://archive.is/LZBk2
P Ray said:
There’s that, but people could just as easily lie about what you’ve done or gossip.
So if I take a trip to Bangkok and don’t discuss it with my co-workers or on social media, they could talk about it anyway? Anything is possible in principle, but it strikes me as more than a bit unlikely.
It’s not a crime unless there’s physical evidence for such vile lies at least. Look at women tossing around the “creepy” label.
If you’re concerned about office politics bringing you down, consider consulting jobs, working in all-male jobs, or entrepreneurship.
Hiring the neurotypical only + the handsome and halo-effected ones only leaves a huge swath of men unemployed. In what civilisation is that sustainable?
It isn’t, so that’s why there are an astonishing array of jobs where you’re hired primarily by your ability to get things done. Somebody has to keep the oil pumping and the lights on.
Patreon,
https://theoutline.com/post/2571/no-one-makes-a-living-on-patreon?zd=1&zi=g5zpfudj
It puts the percentage of people making over minimum wage on Patreon at 2%. So Ms. Average Working Girl may still need that waitressing job to get by. Not everyone can become a celebrity with a huge following of adoring fans.
Sugar Daddies and Sissy Wish Lists to the rescue, women have been living off the welfare of men since forever,
They’re going to meet the same fate as the Grid Girls if they squeeze too tight and make false accusations. And last time I checked, no one is forcing you to give them money or use whatever service they’re providing.
On the other hand, as the ranks of “loser, creepy” men increase … the label loses a lot of its power, and younger men are now increasingly treating women as trifling hoes
I’m glad I see some recognition that they can only push this “loser, creepy” thing so far before it backfires on them.
Already in on entrepreneurship, but depending on what you do, bad reviews from customers with an agenda can sink you.
also, this
reddit.com/r/economy/comments/8etyve/half_of_the_working_adults_in_the_usa_make_30k_or/
Half of the working adults in the USA make 30k or less, 40% of that number are closer to 20k, and 70% are under 50k. If one takes the time to look at a population density map, and a cost of living calculator, it’s easy to see that these wages don’t buy a reasonable quality of life in these places.
Even Advocatus/dissention has asked “how can most people afford to save any money?”
I figure some of it is getting squirreled away in Bitcoin.
And quite a few women are following the strategy of “I’m only with him because of his money, but I won’t have sex with him even when I’m his wife”
dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5645713/Woman-refuses-leave-husband-doesnt-love-him.html
An Australian mother-of-two appeared on Sydney’s Kyle & Jackie O radio show
She said she had fallen out of love with her husband of eight years
She said he ‘freaked’ her out and didn’t want him looking at her in the bedroom
‘I find every excuse under the sun not to have sex,’ she admitted
MESSAGE: If she won’t fuck you, she hates you! Incels got that one right for sure.
Apprenticeships are also declining, the US is producing a LOT of incels.
But I suppose things will only really change when the son of a rich person gets in trouble, and he’s white.
Alek is also a good example that the church is no longer organising mixers for singles, and cannot promise anything for believers beyong “God is testing you” … and for the women “Your prince is coming, you are worth it!”
How many men are living on the verge of performing similar acts with firearms, motor vehicles or other means? Many are depressed, angry, dissatisfied, “displaced”, and generally fed up. The fulfillment of raising a family is almost impossible today. It’s only for stupid evil old whitey, the dying demographic. Young men who aspire to marrying a loyal woman, working hard, raising a family are doomed if they remain ego invested in that purist. You certainly do not see any happiness in the news or on any of these blogs. Hell, many cannot even get along on these blogs as they viciously verbally attack each other after coming to the blog because they share similar concerns! Based on the way things are progressing, it seems we are in for quite an interesting time ahead. Two genders have been a war for generations. Fags & Hags (gays and feminists) have been at war with heterosexuals for decades. Now we apparently have 56 genders according to NYC law and you can be fined for referencing someone with the “wrong” gender pronoun threatening “civil penalties up to $125,000 for violations, and up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct”.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/17/you-can-be-fined-for-not-calling-people-ze-or-hir-if-thats-the-pronoun-they-demand-that-you-use
So, do we now have 56 genders that cannot get along? “Facebook” apparently recognizes 71 different genders!
https://ageofshitlords.com/facebook-now-has-71-gender-options
This is literally a “clusterfuck”. It is no wonder people are killing each other!
This is just bogus,marriage has always been a shitty deal for men .
They can still work hard and spend their money on good things like good cars,hookers, and an awesome house instead of buying into the happy family fairytale and waste their life and resources supporting an ever aging,ever nagging parassite and kids they will never spend time with.
If they even have any,in Italy where i live even the families of my grandfathers most of the time had one(generally the middleclass type families) or two(more often the working class families) kids and i have seen many old couples with none.
Usually in these case the wealth of the husband always ends up in the hands of the wive s relatives,even in the extremely rare cases when she dies first.
Also women have never been loyal they have only remained so when the labour market was made up of shitty back breaking manual labour type job because then it was more convenient to mooch off of simple minded morons that will work themselves into an early grave and die early leaving wealthy widows in their wake.
Marriage has been a shitty deal for women (there were arranged marriages for women AND black people – both were considered “second class citizens”, but then the 1960s happened)… up until the child support hustle and post-divorce division of property. Which child support is very necessary. Even during marriage, you still pay to support a child/family. Kids are expensive. So you always pay to have kids, directly or indirectly. Single parents struggle, which is why I don’t have too much sympathy for “deadbeat dads”.
They can still work hard and spend their money on good things like good cars,hookers, and an awesome house instead of buying into the happy family fairytale and waste their life and resources supporting an ever aging,ever nagging parassite and kids they will never spend time with.
Your idea that men are free to do that will collapse in the age of social media and government surveillance.
The women who promote sex for money are being drowned out by the concern trolls who say any money exchanging hands promotes trafficking
AND
companies only want people without a negative social footprint.
So there is this 2fold idea that:
1. if you can’t attract women there’s something wrong with YOU
and
2. everything women desire is RIGHT and GOOD.
(Unthinkingly) Pandering to women is the surest way to destroy one’s happiness or not meet goals.
P Ray said:
Your idea that men are free to do that will collapse in the age of social media and government surveillance.
A measure of discretion is advisable. It would definitely be a good idea to refrain from posting the details of your bang-up vacation in Bangkok on Facebook or Twitter.
The women who promote sex for money are being drowned out by the concern trolls who say any money exchanging hands promotes trafficking
The practical fallout of that is that women who have capitalized on their sexuality just might find themselves out of a job. Look at what happened to the Grid Girls.
companies only want people without a negative social footprint.
I think they’ve moved it up another step – they’ll focus their attentions on hiring the people who are least likely to be involved in creating a negative social footprint in the first place.
So there is this 2fold idea that:
1. if you can’t attract women there’s something wrong with YOU
By this standard, a value-producing man like a plumber or engineer is more ‘wrong’ than a convicted serial killer who has women writing love letters to him.
and
2. everything women desire is RIGHT and GOOD.
As I pointed out in another post, this societal belief is not sustainable.
A measure of discretion is advisable. It would definitely be a good idea to refrain from posting the details of your bang-up vacation in Bangkok on Facebook or Twitter.
There’s that, but people could just as easily lie about what you’ve done or gossip. It’s not a crime unless there’s physical evidence for such vile lies at least. Look at women tossing around the “creepy” label.
The practical fallout of that is that women who have capitalized on their sexuality just might find themselves out of a job. Look at what happened to the Grid Girls.
Patreon, Sugar Daddies and Sissy Wish Lists to the rescue, women have been living off the welfare of men since forever, and many men stupidly oblige them without getting the tip in.
I think they’ve moved it up another step – they’ll focus their attentions on hiring the people who are least likely to be involved in creating a negative social footprint in the first place.
Hiring the neurotypical only + the handsome and halo-effected ones only leaves a huge swath of men unemployed. In what civilisation is that sustainable?
By this standard, a value-producing man like a plumber or engineer is more ‘wrong’ than a convicted serial killer who has women writing love letters to him.
“Even Hitler had a girlfriend” is also the name of a movie.
Also note when women say they “want a smart man”, they actually mean:
I want a man smart enough to show off to my friends,
but
dumb enough to lose all the arguments to me.
As I pointed out in another post, this societal belief is not sustainable.
As long as women make up over 50% of voters + simps catering to them, it’s plenty sustainable through quantitative easing and imperialist foreign policy + soft power through entertainment.
Women are even now trying to ban sex robots AND are saying they can “be raped in cyberspace if the graphics of their avatar and a man’s avatar intersect”.
NOTE that in all cases, the powerful men are pandering to women, and threatening regular guys with loss of income due to bad reputation or slander.
On the other hand, as the ranks of “loser, creepy” men increase … the label loses a lot of its power, and younger men are now increasingly treating women as trifling hoes.
Younger women complaining now that men want pornstar sex is funny, given that women … have 0 problems giving pornstar sex to the men they’re REALLY attracted to.
In short, women are angry that they have to treat men equally … but like to say they believe in equality.
Terminators would go for women first, as mere contact with their illogic would fry their circuits, so you could say it’s self-preservation on the part of the robots.
The media are still ignoring the elephant in the room:
Ethnic guys on average do much worse than White guys in the Anglosphere.
and it’s ignored because
ethnic guys provide the votes for liberals to get into office.
and of course,
liberals will use soft power to say that “only in the future when racism by the elite is wiped out, will ethnic guys get a chance, so you vote for us liberal folk”
and
conservatives use hard power to say that “you new arrivals can never acclimatise to our great Anglosphere mindset (never mind that you’ve watched all our films and can speak our language)”.
@Mr. Odessa, MGTOW blogs are obsessed with “controlling” women because, based on LMS theory,
if a man doesn’t have any looks he must rely on his money and status to control women – attraction is a form of control.
Notice that good looking guys rarely have to beg to women. The more credentialed and eloquent one is … the LESS good looking you are.
Jeremy Meeks doesn’t even have a degree, much less a high school qualification I think.
He’s done pretty well for himself in the “meritocracy” of America …
This guy probably wanted status, fame and respect and the sex that goes with those, not just sex which as you noted he could just buy.
Problem was he was a loser and likely would never get those things so he like most people like that wanted to lash out and hurt people.
Well of that its some kind of anti 4Chan op
LMAO, I believe these incels are gonna terrify people far more than Muslim ones ever did.
“Another important question is whether he was looking for something between sexual companionship by the hour. I suspect that he wanted something beyond casual paid sex, specifically attention from and adoration by at least one woman he was fucking. While I personally do not understand the insipid and worthless ego boosts that some men seem to get from such bullshit, it still seems to be an issue for some men. I have always wondered if men with borderline autism or similar neuro-atypical stuff are especially prone to seek such validation from women.”
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I forgot to mention this. or maybe I had before, except it’s worded differently.
Tariq Nasheed discussed the Elliot Rodger situation in an episode of “Mack Lessons” back in 2014. To elaborate on what was said, some people believe that escorts and paid sex would have prevented that massacre. RooshV also said that “game” would have “helped” Elliot Rodger and the likes. This may or may not be true, because for some people, it’s not necessarily about getting what they want, or “going their own way”. It’s about fulfilling a sadistic appetite to have some type of power, control and authority over another person. This also explains the ulterior motive behind cliques like MRA, CONservatism (their “solutions” of which some MGTOWs have adopted) and even PUA/Game (a bunch of idiots who contradict themselves about how cool it is to sport-fuck women, then bitch about the “loss of traditionalism”).