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How Elliot Rodger Became the Archetypal ‘Incel’ Rampage Killer

As some of you might know, today (May 23rd) is the fourth anniversary of Elliot Rodger’s killing spree in Isla Vista. Elliot was the inspiration for Alek Minassian’s recent infamous drive through Toronto- something I have written about recently (link 1, link 2). Those of you who frequent 4chan, 8chan and certain other parts of the internet must also be aware that Elliot Rodger has a pretty large and still growing name recognition in those regions- which is odd considering he killed himself immediately after committing that rampage killing. So how does a guy whose final body count did not even touch double digits become such a major cultural icon after his death? To make matters more interesting, Elliot Rodger was hardly the only ‘incel’ rampage killer in USA within the last decade.

As I have pointed out in a previous post, the majority of men who go on killing sprees in USA are either completely or functionally incel. And yes, I know about the few prominent exceptions such as Stephen Paddock and Omar Mateen. The vast majority of rampage killers in USA such as Seung-Hui Cho, Adam Lanza, Nikolas Cruz, James Holmes, Jared Loughner and Dimitrios Pagourtzis had abysmal luck with finding female companionship for years prior to their rampage. In fact, with the possible exception of men who went on killing rampages for religious reasons, almost every one had a history of sexual rejection from women. Yet for some reason, Elliot Rodger has had a far bigger cultural impact than men with many times his body count. But why?

Part of answer to that mystery is alluded to in the picture posted above. To refresh your memory, it is a screen shot from one of the YouTube videos he uploaded before his rampage in which he talks about the many reasons he was angry with women of his age and wanted to kill them. To make a long story short, he was a half-white/half-asian who was born into a rich family who was extremely unlucky with women through a combination of his shyness, his perceived non-white status and a family that pretty much ignored his emotional needs. But those videos were only a small part of what assured his posthumous and still growing fame.

The single biggest factor which has made Elliot Rodger famous, and the archetype for ‘incel’ rampage killer, was his long and very well written manifesto. In it, he describes in great detail the conditions and circumstances of his upbringing and environment that led him to do what he finally did. Do read it, if you have not done so already. It is that manifesto, more than any other thing, which made Elliot Rodger the cultural icon he has become since his death. And one more thing.. Elliot Rodger was perhaps the first rampage killer to methodically and explicitly make the connection between being consistently rejected by women and forced to be incel with his actions.

Elliot Rodger was the first self-identified incel rampage killer in our era, though Marc Lepine sorta said something similar in 1989. Of course, Marc Lepine suicide statement was much shorter than Elliot Rodger’s one hundred and eight thousand word production and the public internet did not exist in 1989. Furthermore, incel-dom was far less common in North America in 1989 than in 2014 or 2018. To put it another way, Elliot Rodger’ cultural impact is a combination of what he did and when he did it. And yes, I have written a few posts about him in the past (link 3, link 4, link 5). Curiously, most normies dismissed his manifesto at that time. The course of events, however, had other plans and his manifesto quickly became a staple of internet culture.

And that is the short version of how Elliot Rodger became a cultural icon of our era. You can try to mock him, ignore him, defame him.. and it won’t matter. The fact of the matter is that he has become far more famous and influential in death than he was in life. If it sounds like something one might say about a saint or religious figure, you are half-right because Elliot Rodger has sorta become the patron saint of incels. And just like other religious figures and martyrs from the past, those who have read his manifesto harbor a very different image of him from those who have not done so. To be clear, I am not suggesting that we will see a church of Elliot Rodger anytime soon, but the magnitude of cultural effect he has had is equally undeniable.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. May 23, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    When ER first went on his rampage, some said it was a false flag because his videos were “so well produced.” Maybe that was because he had a film maker father. Even though he was said to be autistic, he seems to be very self aware. He doesn’t fit into the femanazi stereotype of “dateless loser” because he forgot to brush his teeth and comb his hair. And his videos have better production values than most MGTOW garbage or Dickie Spencer’s garbage…

    All that being said, he has a very punchable face. I would’ve really liked to punch that fucker. (Has nothing to do with being a white knight.) And, y’know I’d really like to punch Dickie Spencer and Jordan Peterson in the face. If we lived in an equitable society, I should be allowed to punch odious individuals who hate me because I am a low status halfbreed without any consequence. And then I should be allowed to walk into a hipster bar and get a free craft beer for punching them in the face. But alas the weasels on the left and the snakes on the right would consider me “entitled.”

  2. P Ray
    May 23, 2018 at 9:20 pm

    ER is iconic because he put paid to the lie that women want men who are rich. Plus it helps that he documented his life and didn’t have the “hurr durr” Chad Thundercock lack of vocabulary (women want intelligent men, amirite?).

    It turns out that women want men rich enough to keep spending on them BUT not talk about a return on investment …
    and intelligent enough to show off to their friends BUT not to win arguments against her.

    With the quick way they’ve wiped off his “Day of Retribution” video (I managed to save it, whew), Youtube and Google are now creating the culture that is mentioned in Warhammer 40,000, http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Edict_of_Obliteration
    An Edict of Obliteration, also known as a Damnatio Memoriae, a High Gothic phrase meaning “condemnation of memory,” is the policy of the deliberate destruction of icons and other symbols or monuments pertaining to an individual, usually of the Imperial elite, who has been declared Excommunicate Traitoris by the Emperor of Mankind (before he was interred within the Golden Throne), the High Lords of Terra or the Inquisition. An Edict of Obliteration is a frequent component of major political or religious changes within the Imperium. The term encompasses the more specific destruction of images of a member of the Imperial elite after his death or overthrow. The result of an Edict of Obliteration is to have the offending individual effectively erased from Imperial history.

    The purpose of an Edict of Obliteration is to preserve the honour of the Emperor by removing every trace of the person from the life of the Imperium, as if he or she had never existed. In a galaxy-spanning empire that stresses fealty and loyalty to the Emperor in return for advancement, acclaim and spiritual salvation for its elites, this is perhaps one of the most severe punishments. This is especially true for those Imperial Adepta that directly serve the Emperor, such as the Ecclesiarchy, the Inquisition, and the members of the Imperial military forces like the Space Marines and the Imperial Guard.

    Where in this case, substitute “Feminism” for “Emperor”.

  3. Craig
    May 24, 2018 at 4:18 am

    @P Ray; also Year Zero and 1984’s Memory Hole.

  4. Conscience constituent
    May 24, 2018 at 4:19 am

    I will leave this here.

  5. Shiningtime
    May 24, 2018 at 5:35 am

    Elliot was an incel only because he’d been fed a bunch of lies his whole life. I’d imagine he was also a heavy porn user. His beta white father probably had no game and little success with women, hence his mating with a colorstruck asian female.

    Elliot was young, handsome and wealthy. Nothing on the surface would make women be repulsed by him. His extreme narcissism is clearly evident in his videos. He believed men of color we’re inferior to him and therefore should not have the type of women he desired. That’s the rub. He didn’t understand women and he lived in a make believe world that a lot of white supremacists live in.

    Him being half asian would not have been an issue for the blondes he desired. The issue was his attitude and the way he looked at the world.

    • P Ray
      May 24, 2018 at 8:06 am

      Elliot was an incel only because he’d been fed a bunch of lies his whole life.
      Ya, that one being women like good men and nice guys
      … the lie being one of omission … the next part is … after they’ve spent their youth and beauty on Chad – you get to be chosen last! What a vote of confidence, lel.

      I’d imagine he was also a heavy porn user.
      Only a “down side” if women find him unattractive. Remember, dissention has pointed out in the past his “competition” were men who liked little children … and the women liked that guy.

      His beta white father probably had no game and little success with women, hence his mating with a colorstruck asian female.
      True, but here’s the rub – fertility is dropping worldwide – proving that women, when the government subsidises them – only want the man who is attractive.

      Elliot was young, handsome and wealthy. Nothing on the surface would make women be repulsed by him.
      Racist women would be repulsed …

      His extreme narcissism is clearly evident in his videos.
      Why is narcissism ok in women but not men?

      He believed men of color we’re inferior to him and therefore should not have the type of women he desired.
      Hatred of Chad can emerge looking like that.

      He didn’t understand women and he lived in a make believe world that a lot of white supremacists live in.
      Lel, women don’t mind being with the guy who beats them up as long as other women want him.

      Him being half asian would not have been an issue for the blondes he desired. The issue was his attitude and the way he looked at the world.
      The ole “muh personality” excuse.

      You sure you’re not desperately trying to ignore the reality that the woman you’re with … is choosing you last?

      P.S. And even if you breed, you’d better hope women don’t turn your son into the next ER … or will you abort the boy and hope for a girl? You know, that type of person who has “self-esteem” issues, but has no problems telling ugly guys to “eff-off”?

    • P Ray
      May 24, 2018 at 8:42 am

      Another blackpill for you:

    • May 25, 2018 at 5:45 pm

      Shiningtime, 100. Yes, you are correct. Most beta males (especially spoiled, middle class suburbanites) have been lied to all of their lives. They get their ideas from their mothers, grandmothers, public education, holy books, video games, Hollywood — society tells them white lies, Disney Myths and fairy tales to “protect” them, when all of this is a blasphemy against human nature. Not to justify what he did, but he – like most betas turned mass murderers – have been had and fucked by the system. He lived in a make-believe world that not only white supremacist live in. But certain parts of the black community (black respectability negroes) live in this make-believe world also. Then they go into “red pill rage”. NOT “red pill awareness”. Prostitution is illegal in the USA and while that MAY have saved his ass, it probably would not have. For some beta males, it’s about power and control. Not getting what you truly want.

  6. (((They))) Live
    May 24, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    You all seem to be missing a big factor in ER being an incel, the guy was autistic or suffering from aspergers, thats the main reason he was never getting any pussy

    • P Ray
      May 24, 2018 at 4:56 pm

      Got that covered for ya fam.

      “Snapshots of living with severe autism”
      Sammy Martin2 years ago
      he has really beautiful eyes
      Reply 32
      Babypinkpinetree
      Babypinkpinetree4 years ago
      His eyes! wow he’s so handsome and sweet too!
      Reply 29

      Ya, aspergers and autism make it tough for you to get a girl … as someone else has said, even if you are severely retarded or mute, as long as you are good looking the girl will take the lead.

      Also, this:
      Courtship Signaling and Adolescents:
      “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun”?
      Monica M. Moore, Ph.D.
      Department of Behavioral and Social Sciences, Webster University
      Cary (1976) discovered that the woman, through eye contact, controlled the course of interaction with a male stranger, both in the laboratory and in singles’ bars. Perper (1985) gave a detailed description of courtship, stressing an escalation-response process in which women play a key role in escalation or deescalation. The steps in this process are approach, turn, first touch, and steady development of body synchronization.
      Although these reports are clearly valuable, most researchers addressed courtship very generally, and some failed to recognize the importance of the female role in the courtship process .What was needed was a more complete ethogram of women’s nonverbal courtship signals. To compile such a catalog of flirting behavior exhibited by women involved in initial heterosexual interaction, more than 200 adults were observed (Moore, 1985) in field settings such as singles’ bars, restaurants, and parties.
      Research has shown, therefore, that the cultural myth that the man is always the sexual aggressor, pressing himself on a reluctant woman, is incorrect.

      As an example, male popstars and actors rarely actively hunt for girls, the women present themselves to them.

      Looking forward to your rebuttal with sources, that is … if you have any.

  7. A.B. Prosper
    May 24, 2018 at 4:30 pm

    Mateen and Paddock were not really rampage killers anyway

    Mateen was killing for Islam and its probably Paddock was as well though he could have been a Leftist political killer

    Pretty much all the traditional rampage killers have been Incels though its sketchy with high school age kids, many kids that age (16 and up) aren’t getting any. That was the norm in the past and might be these days as well. Not sure

    One thing all of them had in common though was SSRI’s

  8. (((They))) Live
    May 25, 2018 at 3:48 am

    Do you want a rebuttal from me P Ray, I don’t think you understand autism/aspergers, as your post shows its very true that woman often make the first move but men have to be able to spot and read the body language, someone like ER could never see flirting or hints of sexual interest, thats why he’s never getting any

    thats the key point about autism they always miss a large % of human interaction

    So IMO ER isn’t a true incel, his main failure with women is because of his autism

    • P Ray
      May 25, 2018 at 4:57 am

      Do you want a rebuttal from me?
      Women AREN’T shy about expressing themselves towards a guy they like.

      ER wasn’t a dummy, and one thing women do very slyly around people they are friends with … is to maintain their reputation. That means for women, if the guy you are attracted to is in the OUT group … you don’t show interest.

      I bet many rock stars or actors don’t personally know the girls they’re fucking … meaning, the “rules” are only there to help a girl maintain her social position and reputation, by making sure guys in the OUT group … never get IN.

      That’s why many guys go overseas to become other people, because the society they exist in, doesn’t see them as anything worthwhile.

      The whole “people who have autism don’t know nothing hurr durr” is a funny copout.

    • May 26, 2018 at 8:05 am

      ER didn’t have autism… at all….. but yes, he was neurodiverse, mostly combination of narcissism eating his brain + low intelligence, just like his father

  9. P Ray
    May 25, 2018 at 7:18 am

    Another interesting tidbit here:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5756369/Three-women-enthralled-charmless-unfaithful-penniless-scoundrel-Emile-Cilliers.html

    The dude fucked over quite a few women, and his wife – the one he tried to murder – wanted to get back with him!
    Plus his previous wife – who KNEW he was married – wanted to have sex with him again.

    Look carefully at that fella, powerfully built, symmetrical face, hunter eyes and 0 morals. Lack of impulse control, owes money to people, never gonna pay it back. I figure somewhere down the road he has a few bastards too with his genetic legacy.

    The world is simply going to get more violent with people like him around, and growing in number as more women, with the rise of liberalism and feminism, demand that regular/ugly men accept they fuck the alpha stud, and raise the child as his own, while hoping and praying the child isn’t a psychopath.

    • Shiningtime
      May 25, 2018 at 4:00 pm

      You’re so negative. Geez. I’ve read a bunch of your posts, and you’re full of of negativity about women. I’d even say you sound like an actual misogynist. Women are what they are. They are half the human population. I see no point in hating them. They are the way they due to evolution and society.

      • May 25, 2018 at 5:36 pm

        (hmmmm) Yes, women are the way they are. Just like anyone else. And they have the rights to pick and choose whom they want and what lifestyle they want (as long as they aren’t shitting on anyone else in the process). Relationships are a choice, not a right.

      • P Ray
        May 25, 2018 at 6:24 pm

        The last refuge of a bluepiller is to call someone abusive, when they don’t like what they hear.

      • P Ray
        May 25, 2018 at 6:29 pm

        @Mr. Odessa, just to show men have choices,
        https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/

        will be around forever, as
        since
        In response to r/niceguys, this sub is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about being single and wanting a “Good Man”, when they consistently reject or friendzone these men for jerks and bad boys who pump and dump them

        The amount of “bitter losers” is expanding, so women can either change their behaviour, be alone, or go singlemom and hope the government will pay for their bad choices (remember, the world consists of more than the USA) 🙂

      • P Ray
        May 26, 2018 at 5:29 pm

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5775265/Victim-skydive-Lothario-army-sergeant-gives-astonishing-interview.html
        ‘I still can’t believe he tried to murder me’: Tearful wife of Lothario army sergeant refuses to accept his conviction for cutting her parachute, says she has NO plans to divorce him and reveals she’s told their kids ‘he’s at work’

        @shiningtime, do you think you’ll ever get this treatment, about any mistake, nevermind crime, that you commit against someone you love?

        Even if you can ignore the double standards, can you accept you belong to the “B-side men”, the fallback position, and are always considered last or expected to be paired with women who are clearly not relationship material or going to be very expensive to fix her screw-ups?

      • P Ray
        May 29, 2018 at 2:53 pm

        Woman makes up excuses to “fight for her relationship with husband to continue”. Husband said previously he’s “in an unhappy marriage”.

        Ya, husband is a handsome guy that other women are attracted to. Hmmm …

        It’s almost as if being attractive to other women means a woman wants to stick with you through the rough patches of your life.

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5784041/Jacqueline-Jossa-wants-fight-relationship-Dan-Osborne.html
        Jacqueline Jossa wants to ‘fight’ for her relationship with Dan Osborne… as the pair are spotted together at charity football match after his ‘unhappy marriage’ claims
        By Julia Pritchard for MailOnline
        PUBLISHED: 19:53 BST, 29 May 2018 | UPDATED: 20:12 BST, 29 May 2018
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        He shocked fans earlier this month by claiming the pair were ‘unhappy’ together, due to their constant arguing.

        And while she was upset by his comments, Jacqueline Jossa is reportedly still willing to ‘fight’ for her relationship with Dan Osborne.

        On Tuesday a source revealed that the actress, who is expecting her second child with Dan, still loves him despite the ‘confusing’ comments, and is ‘hopeful they can be a family again’ after the baby arrives.

      • P Ray
        May 29, 2018 at 3:01 pm

        Another blackpill for you, @shiningtime … remember, women have a lot of energy to “fight for a relationship with a guy other women are attracted to”:
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5782155/Scarlett-Moffatt-posts-public-declaration-love-beau-Lee-Wilkinson.html
        Scarlett Moffatt declares her LOVE for ‘pathological cheating liar’ Lee Wilkinson with post confirming they’re back on… just a month after split
        Scarlett disabled the comments on the Instagram post where she professed her love for her beau after they rekindled their romance
        By Eve Buckland and Becky Freeth for MailOnline
        PUBLISHED: 11:15 BST, 29 May 2018 | UPDATED: 12:20 BST, 29 May 2018
        e-mail
        46
        View comments
        Their acrimonious break-up last month saw her brand him a ‘cheating pathological liar.’

        But Scarlett Moffatt proved her rekindled romance with Lee Wilkinson was going from strength to strength as she posted a public declaration of love to him, along with a sweet photo of the pair to Instagram on Tuesday.

        The former Gogglebox star, 28, could be seen cracking a broad smile as she posed in a black top and leopard print trousers while cosying up to her hunky beau.

      • P Ray
        May 31, 2018 at 2:11 pm

        A good retort to people who say men have all the advantages, from https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/comments/8n7nal/women_are_entitled_to_your_time_effort_and/
        LewisCross
        Mod with Extreme Prejudice
        19 points
        ·
        1 day ago
        ·
        edited 1 day ago
        That’s pretty much it. When men complain about women flaking or women deciding after one date that she’s just “not feeling it”, out come the long knives:
        –You’re not entitled to anything from women!
        –You’re not entitled to sex!
        –She has a right to change her mind.
        –She has a right to date you or not date you, for any reason, or for no reason at all.
        –You aren’t entitled to any explanations or justifications for why she does what she does, or doesn’t do something you think she should do.
        –She can do whatever she wants, for any reason or no reason at all, and she has the right not to tell you why.
        –You just must not be very attractive.
        Something I’ve learned from being in and around the manosphere: There is very little audience for men talking about things they don’t like about dating, mating, sex, marriage, etc. No one cares that there are things that disadvantage men in this situation.
        EDIT: Flip that script. Men, when you end it with a woman or you just shut one down, remember:
        –She’s not entitled to anything from you
        –She’s not entitled to your time, money, labor, attention or resources
        –You have the right to change your mind
        –You have the right to date her or not, for any reason, or for no reason at all
        –She’s not entitled to any explanations or justifications for why you did what you did, or why you won’t do something she wants you to do
        –You can do what you want, or not, for any reason or for no reason, and you have the right not to tell her why
        –You have the right to decide she’s not attractive to you. You have the right to decide that pursuing it further just isn’t worth it to you

      • P Ray
        June 19, 2018 at 5:03 pm

        Yay, another blackpill:
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5862825/XXXTentacions-alleged-abuse-victim-devastated-death.html> – ‘I didn’t lose my life. He did’: The woman XXXTentacion ‘beat and choked’ while she was pregnant with his child says she is ‘devastated’ by his death and is ‘disgusted’ people are speaking for her

        How many guys who beat up their girlfriend, get to see tears of sadness from her when they die?

      • P Ray
        August 17, 2018 at 6:15 am

        Another blackpill, courtesy of New Zealand (as they like to tell you, first country to give women the vote!)
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/105794855/mother-puts-money-into-prison-bank-account-of-man-who-raped-her-daughter
        Mother puts money into prison bank account of man who raped her daughter
        MARTY SHARPE
        16:29, Aug 17 2018
        Mother turned a blind eye to her husbands offending against her daughter. (File photo)
        FAIRFAX
        Mother turned a blind eye to her husbands offending against her daughter. (File photo)
        A mother who knew her husband was sexually abusing her daughter for years and did nothing about it has been given a dressing down by a judge before being jailed.
        The 43-year-old Napier woman, whose name is suppressed to protect her daughter, was sentenced by Judge Geoff Rea in Napier District Court on Friday.
        The woman pleaded guilty to two charges of failing to protect her daughter and one charge of wilful neglect of the girl who was aged between nine and 14 at the time of the offending.
        MORE FROM
        MARTY SHARPE • HAWKE’S BAY BUREAU CHIEF

        The offending occurred in Masterton and Napier between December 2010 and February last year.
        READ MORE:
        * Mother knew her husband was sexually abusing her daughter police say
        * Mother jailed for silence on rape
        * Tougher law to protect children hailed
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        The woman was sentenced at Napier District Court on Friday.
        STUFF
        The woman was sentenced at Napier District Court on Friday.
        The man, who was not the girl’s father, was sentenced to eight years and five months’ jail last year after admitting sexually abusing the woman’s daughter for six years.
        When the woman appeared in court her lawyer Matt Dixon told the judge that she was remorseful and she accepted she had not done enough to safeguard her daughter and that had led to “catastrophic outcomes”, and he sought a sentence of home detention.
        The judge said he was not impressed with the woman’s behaviour since the charges were laid and told Dixon that the “almost insuperable hurdle” he faced was “the total intransigence in your client”.
        “Right throughout everything I’ve read she is counting the days until this guy gets back under her roof with the kids,” the judge said.
        She was even depositing $40 a week into his prison bank account, “for the guy who raped her daughter”, he said.

        Sweet as! As usual, women love in this way, only a very few guys.
        Everyone else gets #Metoo, False Rape Accusation, and “creepy”.
        Women in New Zealand are very combative as well … of course with the disclaimer “to the guys they’re not attracted to” …

        I removed the duplicate comment.

  10. P Ray
    June 27, 2018 at 3:03 am

    Remember, girls women will never be interested in a guy who is a pedophile, since they have morals*
    *unless he’s hot.

    Yes, they all read his profile BEFORE continuing to speak with him

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