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More Thoughts on the Snake Oil Salesman du jour, Jordan Peterson: 1

A few months ago, I wrote an initial assessment of the latest “public intellectual” to “challenge” the SJW-ization of North America. In that post, I had pointed out a major reason behind the growing public popularity of Jordan Peterson was that pretty much every single person in his position, specifically “public intellectuals”, had stopped questioning SJW dogma because of the fear of resulting social, career and reputational damage. In other words, the major reason for Jordan Peterson’s growing fame is that he has no real competition for the audience to whom he was selling his brand of snake oil.

But before we go further, let us clear about a couple of things. I detest SJWs, current strains of “Feminism”, classical LIEberalism, LIEbertarianism with the same intensity as CONservatives, Religious Nutcases and Cultists. In my opinion, anybody who is trying to force their ideology upon you does not have your best interests in mind- to put it mildly. Furthermore anybody trying to sell you a ‘theory of everything’ based on rhetoric, lies and manipulation is a fraud- regardless of the ‘credentials’ of such a person or ‘reputation’ of the institution they hail from.

Secondly, I do not care about how good an ideology sounds in theory because that often no relation to reality. It is, for example, trivial to develop a geocentric model of the solar system that is accurate enough to explain the motion of the sun, moon and planets visible to the naked eyes. Indeed, the two thousand-year old Antikythera mechanism is quite capable of modeling the motion of those objects even though it is based on a geocentric model of the universe. To put it another way, a theory or model which can explain a few things can still be often totally wrong.

And this brings me why I said that Jordan Peterson was merely the latest “public intellectual” to “challenge” the growing SJW-ization of North American society. In case you are still wondering, I do not believe he is an intellectual or that he is really challenging the SJW-ization of society. So, let me start by first addressing the reasons why I do not consider him an intellectual. Some might say that he is clever, well spoken and intelligent and you know what.. he is a decent public speaker and self-promoter who saw a niche that others were too afraid to exploit.

Being clever and intelligent does, however, make you an intellectual. The founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith, was also a clever and charismatic con man who was able to found a cult.. I mean ‘religious order’ which continues to this day. The same can be said about people like L. Ron Hubbard, Sathya Sai Baba and number of other people who started ‘religious orders’ within the last hundred years. One can also make the point that every single religion and secular religion throughout human history was founded by one, or more, clever con man or woman.

The real question, in my opinion, is whether an ideology benefits followers and believers as much (or more) than the founder and the high priest of that ideology. In case you are wondering, the vast majority of cults, traditional and secular religions tend to disproportionately benefit their founders and high priests at the expense of followers. For example, the founder of Mormonism and his close confidants benefited far more from Mormonism than the average follower. In contrast, the scientists who pushed for acceptance of the germ theory of infectious diseases benefited their followers (and the rest of humanity) far more than themselves.

So, why do I see what Jordan Peterson is pushing as the pseudo-intellectual equivalent of snake oil. Well.. there are many reasons, but let us start by talking about why I chose to compare him with a snake oil salesman of yesteryears. For starters, snake oil salesmen did not for the most part sell snake oil. Instead, they usually sold patent medicines which were usually just liqueurs containing opium (later morphine), cannabis and cocaine. What makes the people who sold and shilled for them interesting is that the snake oil salesman as well as demand for their products was largely a product of the socio-economic changes of the 19th century.

It is common knowledge that the second stage of the industrial revolution (1850s onwards) allowed the mass manufacture of bottles and the various “medicinal” liquids they were filled with. What is less well-known, is the fact that the main reason people bought patent medicines in that era had a lot to do with the socio-economic dislocations and hardships caused by capitalism. To put it another way, people bought liqueurs with opium, cannabis and cocaine because their lives had become so precarious and shitty. Furthermore, getting high by taking a “medicine” was seen as far more respectable than smoking opium or cannabis.

The neo-traditionalist snake oil that Jordan Peterson is now selling is popular largely because it allows the true believers and followers (almost exclusively young white men) to dissociate from the admittedly shitty reality of living in the second decade of the 21st century. So how does the snake oil that Peterson sells differ from somewhat similar but older products sold by various evangelical and baptist preachers? Well.. for one, it comes inside the bottle of secular authority letting the buyer feel superior to those rubes who buy one that comes in the largely discredited bottles of traditional religious authority.

It also helps that the purveyor of said product can speak in a much more intelligent seeming manner, as compared to those who sell the more traditional form of that product. You might have noticed that Jordan Peterson is careful to avoid challenging any of the central tenets of modern Feminism, even the ones that are well.. nuts. Sure, he pokes the dragon a little (to establish cred with followers), but never enough to evoke a lot of reaction and shut down his little business. Then again, you cannot blame the guy for identifying and exploiting a virgin market to sell his version of snake oil. He, like previous generations of snake oil salesmen, is simply serving a new and under-served market.

In the next part of this short series, I will explain in some detail (and with examples) why the stuff that Jordan Peterson is selling is close to useless.. except perhaps to make believers feel better about themselves for a short time. I will also talk about how the ideas and beliefs he is pushing are setting up his followers for failure and disappointment.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. thanos
    June 3, 2018 at 10:20 am

    Jordan Peterson’s main contribution is bringing the IQ debate to mainstream attention

    • Shiningtime
      June 4, 2018 at 9:44 am

      The race and IQ debate isn’t interesting to me. I will even concede that being born with pale skin gives you a higher IQ. I won’t even debate it. My question is always, so what next? That’s always the sticking point. The IQ debate is merely a cover to justify abusing other people. It’s a justification for the type of heinous actions seen in Nazi Germany.

      • WORD
        June 5, 2018 at 1:29 am


    • MikeCA
      June 5, 2018 at 5:09 pm

      The race and IQ debate is all about averages for racial groups. It only stands to reason that their might be some variation in average IQ between racial groups, but of what use is that information?

      There is a distribution of IQs in every racial group. If you want to hire the smartest person for a job, you better interview all the applicants to find out how smart they are. Ashkenazi Jews on average have slightly higher IQ, but that doesn’t mean that the one applying for a particular job is smarter than all the other applicants.

      • thanos
        June 5, 2018 at 9:20 pm

        IQ debate basically says a typical interview is useless, an IQ test will allow an employer to pick out the smartest person for the job, rather the best bullshitter, or the best looking person. However, right now it’s actually illegal in the US for companies to use IQ test to make hiring decisions.

      • thanos
        June 5, 2018 at 9:28 pm

        the typical interviewer is a terrible judge of a person’s competence

      • P Ray
        June 6, 2018 at 3:00 am

        If job interviews worked so well, why do companies like to blame their workers when managers make stupid decisions?

        If you can’t ask that question at your interview, you are certain to be working for someone who can’t stand their decisions being questioned.

        If it’s going to cost money down the road, that person’s inability to handle their decisions being questioned … is actually a threat to the company’s survival and profitability.

  2. June 3, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    “It also helps that the purveyor of said product can speak in a much more intelligent seeming manner, as compared to those who sell the more traditional form of that product.”

    Agreed 100%, if anything his study of philosophy helped him learn rhetoric.

    I’ve noticed he talks over people in Youtube videos (monologues if you will) and he comes accross like a polished salesman who has written a list of objections the customer may have then rallies off from the list….

    Here’s my take on this…


  3. June 3, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    “In the next part of this short series, I will explain in some detail (and with examples) why the stuff that Jordan Peterson is selling is close to useless..”

    Please attack the “clean your room” trope…

    It feels allot like the “game” scam…

    If a man is failing in his life JP can say “oh, you forgot to get that crevice under your bed, little man, how dare you.” Rather than acknowledge a fundemental flaw in society…

    Gasp, what a leftist would call “institutional ….”

    Just like a game scammer says “You can’t get layyed because your game is not tight…”

  4. botterd
    June 3, 2018 at 12:58 pm

    I think Peterson’s notoriety has befallen him and that he not actively seeking cult status, even though it probably gratifies him and he panders to it. I think he is honestly grappling with things but hasn’t reached such radical conclusions as AD — would be hard to do on his perch. His notoriety will fade — he’s not the type to hold on, and he will soldier on with new avenues of thought.

  5. Mice
    June 3, 2018 at 1:19 pm

    I eagerly await the continuation of this.

    I don’t have a terribly high opinion of Peterson, but he’s the only public figure who has dared to assert (and on a couple of occasions) that women were never ever oppressed by men. Apart from that, I think he’s more or less mainstream and not too dangerous for status quo.

  6. June 3, 2018 at 1:33 pm

    Jordan B. Peterson only got my temporary, short-lived-assed attention because some idiot goes on Alan Roger Currie’s YouTube page, advocating that people listen to JBP – he made a video saying how casual sex is wrong and how casual sex is immoral and requires tyranny. Yet, this idiot has some sexual harassment claims against him.

    As you said, Devil’s Advocate, CONservatives love to chastise others for “immorality”, but when they get caught up in sex or drug scandals, it’s always a “momentary lapse”. But when others do it, they must come from single parent homes, or they lack Christ or some other dumb shit. Of course, most of his fanbase are sexually frustrated beta males (mostly white ones and even dumb negroes like Obsidian who spend all their time online nursing their sexual frustrations and reading shitty RoK sites).

    • Shiningtime
      June 4, 2018 at 9:47 am

      I became disillusioned some time ago with ROK and that whole movement. It became clear that a lot of mra people are actually neonazi white supremacist types who really attempting to turn the clock backwards to a time when white males ran roughshod over the entire planet.

      • June 4, 2018 at 9:52 am

        Devils Advocate said in another topic he wrote that people back then thought the status quo would have prevailed for eternity. Sadly for them, it didn’t. But now, here are the fruits. It’s karma. And JBP is their “pain medicine” (like religion to broken people).

  7. P Ray
    June 4, 2018 at 6:25 am

    Jordan Peterson has no solution for people who are marginalised, but works himself to be “the moderate option” … which is why he needs the marginalised people – so he “looks better” by default.

    Looking forward to how this fella who hectors other men how “they need to clean up their act” … becomes Hugo Schwyzer 2.0 🙂

  8. Carl
    June 5, 2018 at 12:52 am

    How is libertarianism being forced upon you when the whole ideology is built on the idea of is the exact opposite and to leave people alone?

    Please explain.

  9. Nick
    June 5, 2018 at 9:50 am

    his biggest fear is apparently communism. As soon as I heard him discuss this I knew he is a total fucking dolt.

  10. pat
    June 5, 2018 at 11:15 am

    I like your caustic honestly here, he is such a self-centered faux-intellectual who uses post-modern word soups to con a whole mass of people into believing he has any coherent ideology, you have to call it for exactly who he is.

  11. June 5, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    You can get my take on Peterson here:

    I’ve since soured on him almost completely as the more I see how staged managed he is the more I see he realizes the train ride only lasts so long and he’s milking it. He’s got professional PR and handlers now and his clothes and presence has really shifted in a very short time.

    Honestly I think JBP fits the “Secret King” archetype for a Gamma (per Vox Day and Krauser)

    Only in JBP’s case he’s a Gamma who happened to find a niche of lost boys who his ideas resonated with. So he’s a secret king who’s gotten some recognition and is allowing it to create his ego.

    Thanks.. I was going to link to that article about JP in my next post on him anyway.

    • Gp
      June 5, 2018 at 2:55 pm

      @Ray. I don’t get what the deal of these “manosphere” people is. The piece writer derides the character archetype who is not fatalistic and refuses to accept the “natural hierarchy” as “gammas”.
      It seems anything that disturbs the “balance” is seen as feminine by these idiots. Lol
      AD why do you approve of such pieces by fatalistic and feminized idiots

      • Gp
        June 5, 2018 at 3:28 pm

        Also AD if refusal to accept status quo is feminine then what exactly is masculine?

  12. June 8, 2018 at 11:03 am

    excellent post. too bad most cannot tell the difference but I guess its because thet prefer not to…

    • June 9, 2018 at 12:32 pm

      Love is blind. Ignorance is bliss.

  13. P Ray
    June 6, 2019 at 10:02 am

    Someone else summed up how the LIEberals think (and it’s only good for you if you’re female):
    …Asian Male interests don’t fit the traditional “Liberal narrative.” Liberal narratives follow a certain prescribed script. There are certain issues that are ALWAYS the issues for Liberals. If your problems fall outside of these pet issues, then you are out of luck with them.

    Asian Male: It’s becoming harder and harder for me to qualify to get into Harvard.
    Liberal: Why do you want to go to Harvard… are you a rich, entitled bastard?

    Asian Male: It’s getting harder for me to find a woman to marry
    Liberal: Why do you want to oppress and denigrate some woman as your footstool?!

    If your concerns do not fall within the TON (Traditional Oppression Narrative) then you may quickly be identified as an oppressor yourself and then summarily dismissed as a non-cause.

    LIEberals are also extremely good at making noise about imbalances that need to be addressed … without actually DOING something about the problem.

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