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More Thoughts on the Snake Oil Salesman du jour, Jordan Peterson: 2

In the previous post of this series, I promised to write about in some detail (and with examples) why the snake oil which Jordan Peterson is promoting is essentially useless. Then there is the issue of how his followers are setting themselves up for failure and disappointment. Well.. as it turns out, I am not the only blogger who has the concerns or written about them. Therefore I will start by talking about, and link to a few posts, written by others who have made similar points.

While you might not like choice of font and page layout, stonerwithaboner recently wrote an interesting post about Jordan Peterson. To summarize, it draws attention to the fact that Jordan Peterson has a history of fame seeking and playing fast and loose with ethics. Now, this is not all that surprising. In fact, it have been shocking if that was not the case. What is perhaps more interesting is that Jordan Peterson has a peculiar obsession with maintaining hierarchy.

As those who have read my posts for years might remember, an obsession with maintaining hierarchy and status quo is one of dead giveaways of a CONservative, even if they identify as something else. And this brings us to another giveaway of the CONservative mind if you can call it that).. an obsession with outward appearance of “order”. His infamous ‘clean your room’ bullshit line is just one of the many instances in which he talks about “solutions” that have no relation to the problem at hand.

It also provides an insight into the type of con he is running. You see.. somewhat successful conmen often make many “common-sense” and unobjectionable claims to make themselves seem normal and lower the defenses of their marks to push a scam. That is why politicians cannot stop talking about patriotism, small-town america, family values, freedom etc while fucking their underage mistress, voting for wars which don’t affect them, fellating corporations who fund their election campaigns- all while screwing the rubes who voted for them.

Then there is the question of why Jordan Peterson does whatever he is doing. In other words, what is his motivation? Based on what we know to date, it is clear that a quest for power, fame and money (in that order) are the driving forces behind his public persona. To be clear, I am not against people achieving fame or making some money as a side product of doing what they believe in or like. However when the quest for power, fame and money are the primary motivation, one has to be highly suspicious of whatever is being peddled by that person.

And this brings me the world-view that Peterson is peddling. What is the product he is selling? Spoiler alert, it is a secularized version of traditional CONservatism. You know, the same bullshit ideology where gullible men are supposed to make large upfront sacrifices for the hope of a “meaningful” existence. However instead of using the alleged authority of an imaginary god and religion, his version pushes the scam based on its secular equivalents- “western” civilization and capitalism.

The dishonest crap that Peterson is pushing is no different from religious and cult leaders in previous eras pushing for human sacrifice and witch-burning to a stupid and desperate audience in order to “please the angry gods and restore order”. And how exactly will all this work? Well.. nobody knows. For starters, the way women behave and society functions today has really no connection with what men are willing to sacrifice. Face it.. the probability that a guy who is conventionally considered a good husband will get screwed over in divorce court is far more than anything resembling the ‘they lived sorta happily ever after’ fairy tale ending.

The way things works in real life is linked to something (anything..) being possible and the probability of it occurring. The fact that women will screw over devoted husbands and chase after rich, handsome or powerful non-committal men has everything to do with it being possible and likely. In other words, a lot of the disruptive social changes you see around yourself have to do with broader changes in society and how they affect the feasibility and probability of previously uncommon outcomes. Let me explain that point with an example.

I am sure that many of you have received numerous phone calls for fraudulent tech support, emails claiming to be from some bank or scammers claiming to be from the IRS. Ever wonder why stuff like this was uncommon 10-20 years ago, but is now ubiquitous? Well.. it comes to the much reduced cost of running such scams as well as and the ability to run them from overseas- thanks to the internet and seamless international financial connections. To put it another way, these scams were always around but could not be implemented on a large-scale in the past because it was not just not possible to do so.

Similarly, many of the problems afflicting the gullible devotees of Jordan Peterson have always been around. It just happened to the case that structure and functioning of societies in previous eras put a serious cap on their growth and proliferation. However the structure and functioning of societies does evolve over time. As many of you might know, the majority of decent paying jobs or vocations right until the middle of the 20th century involved hard or difficult physical labor. That is why society in those eras seems patriarchal.

Once technology progressed to the point where varying degrees of mechanization and automation made most jobs that were physically hard either easy or redundant, it was simply not possible to maintain the existing social structure. That is why the social changes of the late 1960s occurred all over the then industrialized world at about the same time. And that is why women started entered reasonably well-paying jobs in such large numbers at around that time. The subsequent increase in female sexual freedom was inevitable, as was the massive increase in divorce rates.

In the next part of this series, I will write more about why these socio-economic changes were pretty much guaranteed to create a number of adverse outcomes for men. My focus will be to show these changes lead to the rise of SJWs and all the other socio-cultural bullshit which surrounds us today. Having said that, the most important takeaway from this post should be that following self-anointed leaders who demand personal sacrifice to please some mysterious “god” is an exercise in futility.. and kinda funny to watch from the outside.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. P Ray
    June 5, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    For me I knew he was a scammer preying on men the moment he floated the harebrained idea that men have trouble in relationships because they haven’t cleaned their rooms.

    But the takeaway is someone who gains power while ignoring fundamental changes in the process and offers nothing but trite solutions and exhortation that the people in trouble “aren’t really in trouble” is most likely a fraud … but fraudsters like these grow cults.

    Here’s some more material to gain inspiration from:

  2. June 5, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    “While you might not like choice of font and page layout”

    Hey brah, it was my secret IQ test, those who were smart would put it in Reader View…

    And it worked, kept many a WN and manurespherian away…

    I thought you woulda figured that one out…

    well.. not everyone uses browsers that have a reader view plugin or option.

  3. thanos
    June 5, 2018 at 10:28 pm

    if you think Jordan peterson is a fraud, what do you think Slavoj Zizek is?

    • Gp
      June 5, 2018 at 11:44 pm

      Zizek is one of the best out there

      • Nf
        June 7, 2018 at 12:12 am

        No way.

  4. Nf
    June 6, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    Everyone wants to focus on the “clean your room” nonsense or his views on post-modernism (although he loves him some Nietzsche so go figure) but, as I keep trying to point out, it’s his views on communism that really demonstrate what kind of person he is. He is a true believer in capitalism (and communism is EVIL) and therefore a total fucking retard. Everything else he peddles is sophomoric revelations that independent thinkers usually grasp once they realize college is bullshit.

    I am going to write about that in the next part of this series.

    • Nf
      June 7, 2018 at 12:11 am

      Hope this can help:
      In his first podcast w joe Rogan he goes on a long tangent about the gulag archipelago and he uses the book as his main source of evidence to prove communism’s “inherent evils”. If there was one thing to build on I think this would be it. Especially when seen in light of work done by people like Michael Parenti.

      • thanos
        June 7, 2018 at 7:25 am

        yes, we should believe the writings on USSR from someone who has never lived in the USSR.

  5. Shiningtime
    June 7, 2018 at 9:22 am

    I agree with you that the problems we face particularly with women have always been there. Even ancient stories contain examples of the everlasting gender war. Adam and Eve. Samson and Delilah. Anthony and Cleopatra. It never ends.

    That’s why I hate the blue pill types who complain about women or the conservatives pinning for some idealic past.

    • June 9, 2018 at 8:28 am

      Yes. I have a YouTube channel and truthfully, I can’t stand what it has become. Like Thugtician said, it has become “a whinefest for every sexually unfulfilled loser to sing the ‘cant get laid’ blues”. Women are who they are. Like men and children, or anyone else. Life is what it is. Sadly, they are not alone and they are multiplying like fucking Gremlins. I don’t hang with them, I don’t f*ck with them.

      • June 9, 2018 at 9:46 am

        …and, while the facts about women’s wiring and how feminism has exacerbated men’s dilemma are regrettable if not painful,
        not only will whining not change the dilemma, but will also likely worsen it: women don’t find a whiny nor desperate man sexually attractive.

      • P Ray
        June 9, 2018 at 11:04 pm

        Like Thugtician said, it has become “a whinefest for every sexually unfulfilled loser to sing the ‘cant get laid’ blues”.
        Would definitely like to hear about how you explain the real phenomenon of American and European guys going to other countries saying their women are nasty, then getting laid in those places.

        Seems you left out that outlier, care to explain?

      • P Ray
        June 9, 2018 at 11:16 pm

        The other “whiny” men who get laid are also:
        1. minority activists who say they are “held down by The Man”
        2. businessmen who say “my wife doesn’t understand me” and then goes on to have sex.

        Seems there are a lot of “whiny men” getting laid, why is that? Looking forward to your “macho” explanations.

      • June 10, 2018 at 4:07 am

        The caveat; almost any man can get laid if he pays enough. But women don’t feel sexually attracted to men whom they hear whining; a woman might open her legs to him if he pays her enough, but not because she’s lusting for him.

        1) if an American or European goes to other countries and whines about not getting laid, the women in other countries who hear him won’t find him sexually attractive

        2) minority activists who additionally whine about not getting laid are not sexually attactive to women

        3) not all businessmen who complain about their wives are sexually attractive to women; if he complains only about one woman (the wife) “not understanding him”, other women may still find him sexually attractive, but if he’s whining generally about how he can’t get laid, women won’t find him sexually attractive.

      • P Ray
        June 10, 2018 at 6:37 am

        With so many “certainties” about how women behave, you can hardly expect men not to believe in the blackpill.

        That said, remember that your kids or others they know can easily get taken out when another person realises that they have no chance and have been fed lies all their life.

        Not a nice thing to think about, eh?

      • June 10, 2018 at 8:39 am

        I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. But I do agree here. However, anyone with a sense of objectivity will recognize bullshit from the start. But others who are easily influence snap after realizing the truth for what t is. But that’s not to justify them snapping to where they are commuting mass murder and anarchy.

      • June 10, 2018 at 8:32 am

        …and yet, all the whining in the cosmos won’t lessen the chances of that tragedy occurring to me, my kids, nor others, will it?

      • P Ray
        June 10, 2018 at 9:46 am

        True, but like the saying with some bad guys meting out punishment to the good guys:
        “I’m not going to kill you, I’m just going to make you wish you were dead.”

        @Mr. Odessa:
        Well, it’s really a tragedy of the commons thing, isn’t it?
        Keep the “unwanted” people in the dark and hope they commit suicide is so much tidier, than an admission that if someone wakes up to the idea that a society is very predatory, they can strike back and make others think about changing their behaviour.

        As Andrew Joseph Stack III said: “Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.”

    • June 9, 2018 at 12:17 pm

      @JoeSantus – as usual, correct.

  6. June 9, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    “Face it.. the probability that a guy who is conventionally considered a good husband will get screwed over in divorce court is far more than anything resembling the ‘they lived sorta happily ever after’ fairy tale ending.”

    This is basic common f*cking sense. David J. Ley wrote in “Insatiable Wives” that this is what’s called ‘The Disney Myth’ (a term that I use religiously), where you find “the one” and it’s “happily ever after”. If you ever cheat, fuss, fight, argue, one person makes more money, find yourself emotionally or sexually attracted to other people, there’s no “happily ever after” in that. As Thugtician stated also, these people act as if relationships happen in a legal void (or an adversarial void, or a sexual void)… where the fact that “shit happens” is a non-issue, or the only thing that matters is “choosing wisely” or waiting for patriarchy or matriarchy to find somebody for you… and then it’s “happily ever after”.

    ……yeah….. what a goddamn joke!

    • P Ray
      June 9, 2018 at 11:07 pm

      So the relationship then is a constant state of tension, where you keep practising dread game while always showing the other party you can step out at any time, you hold frame and show dominance?

      The woman you get with game is also the same woman who will leave you for another guy with better game and I wonder how much money you’ll be left with after she claims alimony?

      Unless you tomcat around eventually you will get hitched … because if you don’t stop after a certain point, the relatives or family of that woman may break your legs or inflict some country justice.

      That is the very real danger of being a “playboy”.

    • June 10, 2018 at 9:36 am

      I realize my situation is unconventional, but it does offer some accommodation for the reality that we as humans are, majorically, not wired for lifelong sexual exclusivity: open marriage.

      I’ve mentioned my lifestyle before in posts; my wife and I, first-marriage, have been married 38 years. She is high-functioning Asperger’s, meaning she does tend to be more rationally-thinking than most emotion-primary women. Neither she nor I ever bought the (my coinage) “Disney-movie/Harlequin romance idyll” regarding marriage, love, sexual attraction, nor relationships. We partner well together, agreeing on some fundamental life-philosophies, and feel fortunate in having met someone with whom we find large compatibility, but have never believed in the “One-soul-mate-exists-for-me” fantasy. We describe marriage in terms of “content” not “happy ever after”.

      For over fifteen years, we’ve been, by deliberate and mutual agreement, sexually non-exclusive. We regularly enjoy sex with each other (since it works more satisfyingly for us both, I almost always let her initiate), but, we also have and have had extramarital lovers, both long and short term.

      It’s not (at all) The Final Solution to the sexual dilemmas and complexities we face as humans with our band-aid-evolved bio-wirings. And, she and I are beyond child-raising years — our kids are all adults, so we’re not facing the hurdles which caring for children places on a couple, a situation which perhaps requires some form of conventional monogamy for optimal outcomes?

      However, for those, without children, who can override instinctive sexual jealousy with rationality (same as we override, say, our instinctive fear of fire, when the fire poses no real threat to our well-being), open marriage is one of the sexually non-exclusive relationship alternatives which can accommodate the fact that neither gender is wired for lifelong monogamy.

  7. Lucius
    November 12, 2018 at 6:08 am

    What is you motivation to call JP a scam? I do not see the point. It seems that you are angry about the fact that he does not outrightly challenge the rotten core of the system, ie the satanistic evil pricks in power and instead tries to work around them, effectively trying to bring about a change INSIDE the system, which is, admittedly, bound to fail, because the system is rotten to the core and it has to be brought down with violence. He might be one of the many benevolent sparks for violent changes inside the system which are sure to bring it down within the next 10 years because it is so evil and damaging to all of humanity.

    I, for one, am fascinated by his intellectual rigor and the enormous breadth of his work, which he also makes available to a larger public FOR FREE. That he is also profiting financially from his absolutely extra ordinary efforts FOR THE GREATER GOOD as is understood in christian patriarchal terms, is therefore not a bit of a problem – why should only the evil forces in this increasingly evil world be able to profit?

    Your analogy with snake oil salesmen is tempting and interesting, but also ABSOLUTELY WRONG AND EVIL.

    You are an evil person yourself saying the things you say about JP, your many merits in clearing up many things in this world notwithstanding.

    God will not look kindly on your efforts to disparage a good christian that JP is, because if you disparage a good person in an evil person makes you the son of satan.

    Are you a satanist?

    • P Ray
      November 13, 2018 at 4:07 am

      When people call themselves “Christian”, but then say you can’t correct them or have a different opinion, and especially talk about “you are an evil person”, smacks of the usual Abrahamic tradition of “killing the messenger”.

      Hugo Schwyzer was also such a “good person” … when I see a person in authority talking about how to be “good”, I also think to myself that it is very easy for them to have a chequered past that doesn’t show up until they lose their position in society.

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