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Some Thoughts on the Best Way to Destroy Pathological Ideologies: 1

While I considered writing a short click-baity post about the latest misadventures of Elon Musk or something about the silliness of establishment’s latest bout of hyperventilation about Trump, Putin and Russia, I thought it would be better to complete something I have meaning to post for sometime. This post, is the first in a series, of what it actually takes to destroy a pathological ideology so thoroughly that it can never be resurrected. To be clear, I am not suggesting a course of action- just point out the obvious based on a historical analysis.

Some of the ideas put forth in this post, and series, have part of an older series (link 1, link 2). I have also written a few standalone posts (link 3, link 4, link 5) which touch on some concepts I am going to discuss in some detail. In case you are wondering, the gist of all those linked older posts is that willing and enthusiastic followers of a malicious ideology are the true agents of evil perpetrated by that ideology. Let me remind you that there is little to no evidence that most so-called tyrants and ideologues personally killed even a few people. Instead, every single death attributed to them was due to their followers doing the actually dirty work for them.

With that in mind, let us talk about factors responsible for extinction of two major and particularly noxious ideologies that were once widespread in the 20th century. The first ideology is best described as race-based white colonialism of non-white countries (especially in Asia and Africa). The second is militant and race-based nationalism of the type which dominated Germany and Japan during the 1930-1945 time-span. Most people living in countries where these ideologies were once dominant will today, at least in public, take great effort to disavow them. However, their ancestors once were ardent supporters of, and proud foot-soldiers for, these ideologies.

So.. how did we get from a world where people in the west were vocal and open about their “god-given right” to rob, abuse and murder non-whites to one where even an attempt to praise colonialism can get you fired from your job. How did we get from a world where ‘the west’ could occupy any non-white country it chose to one where a small Asian country like Vietnam could beat both France and USA (after WW2) and haunt their national psyches. Why was post-WW2 decolonization of the African continent so rapid? Why are people in Germany and Japan today so unwilling to praise anything or anybody connected to the period between 1930 and 1945?

The very brief, and polite answer, to those questions is that a number of “occurrences” in the first half of 20th century greatly reduced the number of vectors for ideologies such as race-based colonialism and militant nationalism. The long-form answer starts with acknowledging that many common people, in countries where those ideologies were once dominant, were willing and highly enthusiastic supporters of those ideologies. For example.. a lot of people (especially young men of limited means) in countries such as UK and France once were true believers in race-based colonialism. Similarly, many in 1930-1945 era Germany and Japan were enthusiastic believers in the noxious militant nationalistic ideologies which they came to repudiate- after 1945.

To understand what I am talking about, let us compare the noxious ideologies of past to similar ones prevalent in present-day USA. As the more perceptive of you might have noticed, there is no shortage of american idiots of a reactionary mindset and mediocre cognitive capabilities who will support tons of stupid and dangerous things which do not benefit them such as involvement endless wars in foreign countries, support for outrageous levels of military spending, opposition to public spending on healthcare because if might benefit the “coloreds” etc. To be fair- people who think like this are now a minority, but a significant minority nonetheless.

And this brings us to the obvious question- why are European and Japanese equivalents of these CONservative idiots far less numerous? The simple answer is that many of them died in WW1, inter-war conflicts and WW2. The ones who survived those “occurrences” were seen by the rest of their society as losers who should not be emulated. The more complex version of this story is that WW1, inter-war conflicts in Europe and WW2 resulted in disproportional deaths of young white men of reactionary mindset and mediocre cognitive ability regardless of whether the belligerent nations recruited for their armed forces through patriotism or conscription.

The sheer number of deaths and disabilities due to those wars, Influenza pandemic of 1918 and all those Nazis who died in Russian prison camps after WW2 removed tens of millions of useful idiots who would have otherwise helped further causes such as race-based colonialism and militant nationalism. The low number of deaths due to those wars in USA (because it joined both almost 3 years after had started) is, sadly, why reactionary CONservative thinking persists in USA. Large scale excessive deaths among useful reactionary drones is, historically speaking, the only way to effect lasting social change including getting rid of pathological ideologies.

In the next part of this series, I will write in more detail about how demographic changes due to WW1 and WW2 started changing the worldview of people in those countries. More specifically, I will talk about the mindset of those who got killed, maimed or mentally scarred in those wars (and their aftermath) in comparison to those who survived. Will also cast some light on the severity of demographic profile shifts in main belligerent countries after both wars.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. Tork
    July 16, 2018 at 4:36 am

    Jews got the goyim to kill each other while taking over all aspects of media, edu, banking and gov

  2. P Ray
    July 16, 2018 at 10:58 am

    Elon Musk is just proving what analytical people already know:
    He’s an investor who got lucky, that thinks his “intelligence” saved the day for the company he invested in.

    I like to point out to these corporate stuffed shirts,
    “If you really understood your role or field of study, you would have written a book, proving your bona fides

  3. July 16, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    What is the current reigning pathological ideology?

    • July 16, 2018 at 2:58 pm

      current pathological ideology = global white manifest destiny via White American males (some not all, prob not even most)

      *S*

    • thordaddy
      July 24, 2018 at 1:14 am

      “Universal equality.”

  4. July 16, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    *S*

    ????

    What does *S* mean?

  5. plus d'un cafard
    July 17, 2018 at 11:08 pm

    The first crusade might have been such an useful idiot extinction event. Europe got rid of its nitwits, and the later crusades were made of noticeably more sophisticated people.

    Of course, losing your attack dogs means you’re more vulnerable, becoming like the limp-wristed Europe of today. At least, the Muslim brotherhood sees the continent that way.

    • P Ray
      July 18, 2018 at 2:28 am

      Just to be clear, you’re talking about the same Muslim brotherhood that has bacha-bazi and where “you can’t be gay but you can be transgender”?

      Kind of how people like to talk about the masculinity of Spartans, but leave out the arse-banditry.

    • P Ray
      July 18, 2018 at 2:33 am

      Don’t forget also, that Europe seems to have an agenda of its own, choosing to allow the most “least inhibited” Muslim people in, denying the decent ones permits.
      I don’t think the law-abiding ones enjoy having to be blamed or be grouped with the Chadullahs.

      • plus d'un cafard
        July 19, 2018 at 2:03 pm

        Someone in Europe is definitely playing a game. It’s not clear who and with what purpose. Soros is up to no good with his leftist garbage, the old Gladio fascists hiding in every government seem awfully quiet, NATO keeps poking Putin with a stick…

        The one reliable deduction is that the locals’ well-being has not being taken into account.

        Regarding your other answer, it depends on what you mean by masculinity. Thebes’ gay-only Sacred Band whipped Spartans for breakfast. That does not change the quite overt admissions by the brotherhood that they’re committed to converting an apparently weak Europe.

        Independently of any individual Muslim’s decency, can you cite a country where the relations between a Muslim minority and the rest of the population are good? Naively, I think Europe will eventually either deport/kill Muslims, or it will become balkanised, with endless strife. But as I said above, some people seem to have plans.

  6. balu
    July 19, 2018 at 2:30 pm

    “can you cite a country where the relations between a Muslim minority”
    Thailand, Ethiopia, etc. A long list. And I can well imagine a muslim asking other muslims the same question about any other religion, including Christianity.

    • plus d'un cafard
      July 20, 2018 at 1:02 am

      I didn’t know about these two, so after some (admittedly short) googling,

      Thailand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency

      Ethiopia: https://crescent.icit-digital.org/articles/muslims-in-ethiopia-suffer-discrimination-and-alienation

      In the last link, note that although the interviewer recognises accurately that Muslims are not very welcome anywhere, he acts as if they should be allowed to proselytise as they please (“active Islamic socio-political movement in Ethiopia […] have a solid political, economic and social program to propose to the Ethiopian society”). The link between the two attitudes doesn’t seem to hit him.

      The interviewed journalist mentions multiple times how the government is very suspicious of the Muslim community and keeps them down. This last fact is probably why Muslim influence hasn’t grown, with Lebanon-like consequences.

      As for Christianity, it looks to me like the retarded sibling of the two other desert death cults. It does try to conquer the world too, but in such a lame, roundabout way, that it’s mostly comedy.

      • balu
        July 20, 2018 at 11:41 am

        How about northern ireland? How about Nazi Germany? How about the british empire? How about the american empire? How about the crusades? How about the rape of Libya? (Not the current one but the one during colonial times)

      • balu
        July 20, 2018 at 11:58 am

        And what can you do with the fact that all religious muslim insurgencies and movements started in the 70s or later? What had they done before? Waiting? For 1000 years? Actually, in Lebanon, the Christians started the insurgency. Furthermore, most Muslim insurgents are either directly or via proxies supported by the “West”. Sorry, but before the 70s-80s every mainstream Arab or Muslim related movement had been leftish, nationalistic, secularist, and the West did its best to destroy them with the help of the most backward elements they could find. Please don’t insult these people, we in the West did our best to fokk them.

      • P Ray
        July 20, 2018 at 2:30 pm

        Abrahamic religions seem to produce a lot of terrorists,
        like the serious Stern Gang
        and the IRA

        but it seems that White people are never on a no-fly list and don’t get racially profiled … hmm … White privilege in action perhaps?

      • plus d'un cafard
        July 21, 2018 at 2:20 am

        balu, that’s whataboutism. I’m guessing then that you concede my point that Muslim minorities in any country means violence or at least tension. Notice I don’t assign blame. The observation alone is enough to not want Muslims in your non-Muslim community: you want peace, and do not care about blame accounting. In Lebanon
        , the Christians indeed initiated hostilities because the Muslims were taking over, just peacefully. They could instead lay down and become a minority in a Muslim country, a rather bad deal I think.

        This gets me to the non-stop whinging of Muslims about how the West is treating them badly. They’re right, but if you pay attention to what Muslims say when they’re not on record, you realise they’re not pissed at the injustice of it, they’re pissed that they’re not the one on top, dishing out the punishment. I’m sure that Libya was raped (by the Italians, I’m assuming), but that was after the whole coast raped Europe for centuries with piracy and white slave trade. That “detail” and others gets no publicity.

        I can’t spend the time to refute all your points (though each misses the mark), but one’s interesting. The Muslim world’s infatuation with socialism and secularism smells like Soviet propaganda working, not genuine poplar will. It’s the right time period at least. When the US got into the game in the 70ies, they chose to back the religious nuts, but the movements (Al-Quaeda, ISIS) took a life on their own frighteningly fast. I suspect that’s because the inclination was always there. The British noted in Afghanistan (in 1839) how, despite trying their best to seduce the locals, the latter would stay duplicitous and cruel, using suicide warriors in their tactics (the “ghazi”) already then.

      • plus d'un cafard
        July 21, 2018 at 2:34 am

        P Ray, the Stern Gang I don’t know about, but “Irish Republican Army” doesn’t sound as religious as “Islamic State” to me. In any case, they were attacking the English only, and the Irish sure had good, including non-religious, reasons to. I’d rather compare them to Bin-Laden’s Al-Quaeda, having more “don’t tread on me” than “sell their daughters into slavery” in its mission statement.

        Whites like north-eastern Asians are more welcome because they stir up less shit. Look up violence statistics by race, even controlling for poverty. Whites can be just as evil, mind you, but they keep it quiet, and that’s all our elites want.

      • P Ray
        July 21, 2018 at 3:36 am

        Whites like north-eastern Asians are more welcome because they stir up less shit.

        I present 2 of them that Whites had no trouble turning away:
        1. Ho Chi Minh (father of the VietCong)
        2. Qian Xuesen (father of the Chinese missile/rocketry programme)
        In both cases, White racism paid dividends to create suitable enemies that they couldn’t defeat. Lel at dat forward thinking.

        but “Irish Republican Army” doesn’t sound as religious as “Islamic State” to me.
        It was some kerfuffle about Protestants, Catholics and oranges.
        Maybe potatoes were involved too, as it’s Irish. har har.

      • P Ray
        July 21, 2018 at 4:07 am

        Oh ya before I forget.
        Didn’t ISIS get a good start … when the US conquered Iraq … then refused to pay the defeated Iraqi army …
        giving them a good excuse to “take their toys elsewhere”?

        Dat forward thinking White racism again 🙂

      • plus d'un cafard
        July 22, 2018 at 12:52 am

        P Ray, Ho Chi Minh studied in Paris and Qian Xuesen in the US. Whites were not racist enough and gave them the education that made them dangerous. Alternatively they could have welcomed them indefinitely, but can you trust people who have dear family staying in an enemy nation?

        ISIS was created and might still be controlled by the US as far as I am concerned. It’s been way too useful against Assad.

        Not that the white US elite can’t think nothing of Arabs, I’m sure they do. DBut dn’t forget that decisions are taken by the elite, who see us as cattle with different shades of brown. They might have a preference, but we’re still just meat.

  7. mikeCA
    July 20, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    I think there is some truth to what you say here, but there are other possibilities. Antisemitism was wide spread in the US before WW II. Since WW II antisemitism is no longer acceptable. Antisemitism is now associated with the holocaust and that makes it a fringe ideology.

    There still are lots of anti-Semites around but it is not acceptable to publicly talk about it.

    • (((They))) Live
      July 21, 2018 at 7:53 am

      Antisemitism LOL

      To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize

  8. balu
    July 21, 2018 at 1:43 pm

    “, they were attacking the English only, and the Irish sure had good, including non-religious, reasons”
    Why don’t you think Muslims have good non-religious reasons? In the last 17 years the US has fokked up at least 6 muslim countries and did its best to make life unbearable in a few others. And I’m talking about the last 17 years. Things often appear in religious shroud. Religion is sometimes just a language familiar to people, just a tool. Suicide was considered _extremely_ non-islamic up to very recently. Think about it when you hear about suicide bombing as something particularly muslim. But the much more important reason for Muslim extremism was and is the US and the West who incited the most backwards elements against the generally leftish and secular governments in muslim countries. And they use these elements up to this day. If you BS about “whataboutism”, then you are a good subject for propaganda.

    • plus d'un cafard
      July 22, 2018 at 1:11 am

      balu, you’re strawman’ing me. I said Al-Qaeda had as good reasons as the IRA to do its business, including the West attacking and interfering in traditionally Muslim soil. For more then 17 years, even. Bin-Laden was a good guy as far as I’m concerned, too bad he was the enemy and he had to die.

      I mentioned Muslims who chose suicidal tactics in the defence of Afghanistan more than a century ago. I look at facts before theory. I agree suicide martyrdom became fashionable again only with Khomeini, but there are antecedents.

      As I wrote, the leftish elements of the Arab world were suspiciously sounding like Soviet shills. So close to oil, the US had to react. Lefties spend a lot of time navel-gazing about their freedoms, with little geopolitical awareness it seems.

      I would be all for letting the Muslim world fight it out internally, but the rot we call civilisation needs its oil, Muslims have it, and my voice doesn’t count.

      • balu
        July 22, 2018 at 2:59 am

        So, to summarize your argument, muslims behave like any other people when faced with the same problems. Then why do you think they are different?

      • plus d'un cafard
        July 22, 2018 at 5:45 am

        They’re not too different. But they work in the interest of their own team, of which I’m not part of.

    • plus d'un cafard
      August 1, 2018 at 9:07 am

      balu, regarding Islam’s current extremist components compared to Christianity, you might be interested in this: https://chrisuncensored.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/how-the-reformation-destroyed-christianity-and-why-islam-doesnt-need-one/

      • P Ray
        August 1, 2018 at 3:58 pm

        And about “Islam and feminism” read:
        https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/snoonz-the-arab-mgtow/

      • plus d'un cafard
        August 6, 2018 at 9:00 pm

        Hah! I thought my heart had hardened at the invader, but it sank a little as I read this.

      • P Ray
        August 7, 2018 at 4:13 pm

        You better believe women talk among themselves, create a hierarchy in their head and find ways to be dissatisfied and angry with they guy they can GET …
        as he’s not the guy they are ATTRACTED TO!

        LooksMatterToWomen has articulated this very well. Remember …
        women only have demands and standards … for the guy they’re NOT attracted to.

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