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Freedom of Speech Matters, Even if the Provocateur is Alex Jones: 2

As mentioned in the previous post of this series, laws to protect free speech are really about protecting unpopular speech. For a long time, organisations such as the ACLU understood that standing up for highly unpopular speech was necessary to prevent the creation of legal precedent to suppress other forms of free speech. Of course, that was before the ACLU was influenced and infiltrated by SJWs– and yes, I am aware of the irony my linking to a piece on a LIEbertarian rag such as ‘Reason’. But the point still stands- organisations which once stood up for the right to free speech, especially its unpopular forms, are now trying to justify their unwillingness to fully support obnoxious characters such as Alex Jones.

But why are so few willing to support Alex Jones? Sure.. the guy is an obnoxious character whose style of acting makes William Shatner seem restrained. But so are many other people, both public figures and private citizens. I mean.. there is no law against being a loud obnoxious asshole with a penchant for hammy acting. Nor is hawking “dietary supplements” of dubious efficacy a crime in USA- thanks to all that wonderful lobbyist-paid legislation passed in mid-1990s. In other words, Alex Jones is not any worse a human being than many YouTube celebrities I can think of right now. And let us be honest- the “conspiracy theories” he is purveying are no more sane or insane than what you see on TV shows such as Ancient Aliens, in its 13th or 14th season now.

So why have so many LIEbral idiots and presstitutes.. I mean “objective credentialed journalists” gotten their panties in a bunch over a character whose bullshit and scams are as American as they come. And why do they keep on repeating some nonsense about how his online presence is somehow hurtful to the mental and physical well-being of “normal folk”. Are they suggesting that people who peddle crazy shit and hilarious lies should not be allowed a public forum? Because if that is their central argument for deplatforming Alex Jones, they themselves are guilty of far greater crimes with infinitely higher real-world body counts than anything he is even remotely capable of pulling off. And they have doing it for a long.. long time.

Some of you might be aware that public support for wars as old as the Spanish-American War of 1898 was largely created by lies published by state-supported journalists of the day. The same can be said of WW1 and WW2. But since none of us are old enough to remember that, let us start something closer to out time- namely, the role of these “credentialed objective journalist” in pushing the Vietnam war to an ignorant and racist public in its early years. To make a long story short, the vast majority of american journalists (print, radio and TV) kept on selling the war to the american public until the 1968 Tet Offensive made it just too hard to ignore reality.

But until then these CONartists.. I mean “honest objective journalists” had no problem reprinting press releases from the american government as news and publishing pretty much any other bullshit in order to demonstrate their loyalty to the system. It might come as a shock to some people now, but there was once a time when Americans volunteered for the Vietnam war- partly under the assumption that they were going to win it, based on the lies and bullshit spewed out by mainstream journalists of that era. Of course, things got real once it became hard to hide the increasing number of body bags and crippled soldiers coming back to USA.

So should all the journalists of that era who willingly and enthusiastically lied for the american government be held responsible for the unnecessary loss of life on the American and Vietnamese side? How many of those who wrote glowing articles about American intervention in Vietnam prior to the Tet offensive lost their jobs because of knowingly publishing lies and bullshit? What about NONE! But why stop there.. Remember the lies published by those “objective professional journalists” to help convince the american public of the need for first Gulf War in 1991? Or what about enthusiastically spreading lies about presence of WMDs in Iraq to justify the failed occupation of Iraq in 2003. Did any journalist lose their job over publishing government-sanctioned lies? Heck.. many of them still write in NYT, WP and appear on cable news.

If you support deplatforming Alex Jones because of some negligible real-life harm people who listen to his shows may have done, how can you justify the continued ability of those who cheerlead disastrous wars such the Vietnam War, Afghanistan War and Iraq Occupation to still have careers in journalism? Aren’t american journalist responsible for tens of thousands of american soldiers who got killed or crippled by those senseless conflicts? What about the millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians who died during Vietnam war? What about hundreds of thousands who died due to conditions created by war in Afghanistan and failed Iraq Occupation?

If you believe that some mentally unstable idiot who listed to Alex Jones show and then went with a semi-auto rifle to a Pizzeria in DC is sufficient for Alex Jones to be deplatformed, how can you justify the continued ability of the vast majority of journalist in USA who work for corporate news outlets to still have a job? If you think Alex Jones allegedly doxing parents of kids who were killed in the Sandy Hook school shooting is bad enough for him to be deplatformed, what do you think about all those mainstream journalists whose carelessness over the years has resulted in torture, imprisonment and death of their sources? Face it.. “credentialed objective journalists” who work for corporate news outlets in USA have been responsible for crimes that are thousands of times more horrendous than anything Alex Jones is accused of.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. NF
    August 13, 2018 at 7:12 pm

    The majority of people, especially liberals, are stupid as shit. Case in point: everyone got their panties in a bunch when fake pics circulated showing children of illegal immigrants getting separated at the border. Not a single one of those stupid fucks got bothered by obama drone striking the utter shit out of families in the Middle East. Conservatives are just as pathetic though. For instance, they really believe James Gunn is a pedophile and it keeps them “up at night worried sick”.

    I have said so before..

    https://dissention.wordpress.com/?s=The+Obama+Presidency+was+a+Disaster+for+Establishment+Democrats

  2. 99 Percent Libertarians Are Blue Collar Chumps
    August 14, 2018 at 2:48 am

    Can you avoid linking LIEbertarian rags, please?
    I’m allergic to subhumans.

  3. MikeCA
    August 14, 2018 at 10:19 am

    This whole piece is a classic example of what aboutism, a standard right wing (and Russian) line of argument to defend the indefensible.

    An establishing-supporting white american invoking whataboutism is as pathetic as a catholic priest who after raping dozens of deaf kids over multiple decades try to lecture others about the sin of masturbation.

    You nicely avoided describing the actual incident that apparently got Alex Jones banned:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/398512-alex-jones-threatens-mueller-youre-going-to-get-it-or-im-going-to-die-trying

    Given all the bullshit Alex Jones shouts and screams on his show any given day, his so-called “threat” is no better than an attention getting device. Also it is too vague, and no really a threat- since he is talking about a duel.

    Also what about career SJWs such as Sarah Jeong?

    “Did any journalist lose their job over publishing government-sanctioned lies?”

    Although it hardly matters, Judith Miller was fired by the NYT for her Iraq war reporting.

    Was that person person fired for fake news or the coverup? Also what about evry other MSM journalist who repeated those ridiculous lies as truth?

    • MikeCA
      August 14, 2018 at 8:37 pm

      You really have no idea what you are talking about.

      Oh.. I know exactly what I am talking about..


      Journalist who report incorrect information usually do so because some source gave them incorrect information. Journalist who make up sources lose their jobs. Even journalists like Judith Miller got her completely wrong information from high level government officials and Iraqi exiles. Judith Miller was fired largely for refusing to admit that she had been wrong about trusting those sources.

      There is this dance between high level government officials and journalists. Journalist want access to the high level officials. High level officials want journalists that will write favourable stories.

      In most cases the journalists do not know their sources are giving them incorrect information. The journalists are just being used as part of a government propaganda campaign.

      Oh, really?

      https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2013/03/19/where-are-the-medias-iraq-war-boosters-10-years/193117

      When Daniel Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers that showed the government officials had consistently lied to journalists and the American people about the objectives in Vietnam and the prospects of success, some journalists had the courage to publish those papers which ultimately led to the end of the Vietnam war.

      Sure many journalists are lazy and just report what government sources tell them, but a few have the courage to question.

      So most are glorified stenographers?

      Alex Jones is not a journalist. He is a entertainer making up non-sense to make people feel good.

      He is an alcoholic clown whose business model includes hawking dietary supplements. Having said that, I cannot say that his lifestyle is any less respectable than most journalists.

      “An establishing-supporting white american invoking whataboutism is as pathetic as a catholic priest …”

      LOL. Even more whataboutism!

      Talking about catholic priests and their love for children..

      Also, what are your views on the situation in Yemen, the ongoing clusterfuck in Afghanistan and all those new wars in Africa started by Obama?

      • MikeCA
        August 15, 2018 at 12:36 pm

        You are hilarious. If you actually listen to the Noam Chomsky interview, what he says is similar to what I said. MSM journalist will generally repeat government propaganda they are given, because they are competing for the privileged access to high government officials. They know if they publicly question the propaganda, they will be cut off and someone else will get the access. There are many stories that really cannot be written because of big corporate ownership of the media.

        In other words, journalist are establishment stenographers? Right? So why treat them as any different from shills?

        What journalist do is when party A gives them obvious propaganda, they will try to find some elected or former elected official from Party B to give an interview saying it is nonsense. Although the reporter may know it is nonsense, he would never dare say it himself. It turns everything into a he said, she said controversy, which makes it sound like reality is debatable.


        If the cooperation of journalists with establishment resulted in a war where tens of thousands died, they are equally liable? right?

        Google and FaceBook are big corporations. Hosting Alex Jones on YouTube and FaceBook was damaging their corporate brand. That is why they de-platformed him. He is still on the internet. His wacky conspiracy theories will still be there for all hear, just harder to find.


        Corporations exist at the mercy of the nation state in which they operate. Since both your examples are functional monopolies, they should wither be broken up into a thousand pieces or heavily and transparently regulated by the state.

  4. Not Born This Morning
    August 16, 2018 at 8:52 am

    “But until then these CONartists.. I mean “honest objective journalists” had no problem reprinting press releases from the american government as news and publishing pretty much any other bullshit in order to demonstrate their loyalty to the system. It might come as a shock to some people now, but there was once a time when Americans volunteered for the Vietnam war- partly under the assumption that they were going to win it, based on the lies and bullshit spewed out by mainstream journalists of that era. Of course, things got real once it became hard to hide the increasing number of body bags and crippled soldiers coming back to USA.”

    ….And this was immediately after Korea when the entire country was scammed by politicians the media and themselves into the same bullshit.

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