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Inept Western Response to COVID-19 Will Result in Public Backlash: 2

In the previous post of this series, I promised to write about how the poorly thought shutdowns in combination with inadequate income support will likely cause epically bad public reactions all over USA in the next two to three weeks. Let me quickly update that prediction by saying that the bad public reactions to shutdowns in countries doing an even shittier job of income support, such as India, will be worse. Having said that, there will be far more public anger and discontent in this country than any other major developed country. So let us start talking about the many reasons that thoughtless governmental reaction to this pandemic is likely to discredit both them and other associated institutions even further.

1] One of the most important lessons that western governments have not learned is that, over past three decades, an increasing distrust of them by public as well as vastly increased flow of information makes lying a really bad choice. See.. it was far easier for governments to lie during first half of 20th century because mass media was new and people had not become so cynical and atomized. For example, analysis of the absolutely pathetic quality of military leadership during WW1 took over a decade to even begin entering into the sphere of public conversation. Something similar occurred with WW2 where it took almost two decades for critiques about it (especially for the “victorious” side) to start entering into popular culture. Public critiques about Vietnam war took a few years, Gulf War 1.0 about 2 years, Gulf War 2.0 less than a year.

But how is any of this relevant to the COVID-19 pandemic? Well.. by now I am sure you must have heard or read screeds by numerous media busybodies about how even young people can die from COVID-19 infection. This bullshit usually takes the guise of some breathlessly retweeted article about how one or two under-40s died of it in Italy or Spain, or how some unnamed doctor is tweeting about how there are many young people in the ICU because of respiratory symptoms due to this infection. But the hard data (graphed in this tweet) tell a very different story. To put it bluntly, less than 1 in 500 people under 50 years of age with symptomatic COVID-19 infection of any type (fever, cough to respiratory distress) verified by PCR -based tests end up dying. Even those under 60 experience a mortality rate of somewhere between 0.4 to 1.3%.

These patterns holds irrespective of country or continent. Don’t forget that a good percentage of infected people either don’t become symptomatic or the symptoms are mild or vague enough for them to not seek medical attention or testing. To put it another way, it is realistic to assume that the mortality rate for people with COVID-19 infection who under 50 is below 1 in 500 and likely closer to 1 in 1000, once you factor in the untested asymptomatic (or mildly symptomatic and untested) individuals. The same is probably true for those between 50 and 60 years, with the real mortality rate (for all infected individuals) in this group approaching somewhere between 1 in 200 to 1 in 400. Officials pretending that mortality is not low in individuals under 60 is going to hurt their public credibility- when they need it the most.

2] Now let us talk about the topic of money, or more specifically how most people are going to have enough money to survive let alone pay bills during this shutdown. Given that the economy and most jobs in western countries is based on mass consumption, it is darkly comic to see that not one government (even among the supposedly socialist nordic countries) seems to have a fucking clue about how they plan to replace the income of every person in their country. Yes.. you heard that right! Every person, not just every person who can file an unemployment claim. This is especially important since a pretty sizable minority of people under 40 in those countries do not have regular well-paying jobs. Given that this group is also the one least affected by COVID-19, any decrease in their already meager lifestyle will make them ask questions about the utility of boomers and older people- to put it mildly. Did I mention that western countries are already socially atomized and most of them just don’t care about old people.

Even paying 80% of the salary of those not yet been fired from jobs is insufficient. And I am also pretty sure that the neoliberal mindset which pervades political and bureaucrat types in these countries will not consider a worthwhile universal basic income (albeit, temporary) until it is too late. To put it bluntly, any governmental measure to replace lost income which does not actually put enough money in the pockets of people by mid-April in USA and mid-May in most European countries is going to be basically useless- as far as the longer term is concerned. Many idiots like to believe that crisis bring people together, however a reading of history suggest that this occurs only when the crisis is well-manged by governments in charge. Don’t believe me.. just read about what happened in the aftermath of WW1, where even countries that were on the winning side (Italy, Spain, many countries in Eastern Europe) experienced long-term civil strife which led to authoritarian governments. That is why so many dictators arose in 1920s and 1930s.

This is even more relevant today since the 2008 global financial crisis destroyed the faith of many people (especially those under 40) in the previous systems and its institutions. There is a reason why Trump is the president and Bernie can get donations from millions of supporters. Expect the trend of people under 40 (and even 50) distrusting institutions to increase, not decrease. Should also point out that a pretty significant number of those under 40 don’t have kids and family and are therefore likely to go much further than those who might have something to lose. It does not help that an open-ended shutdown of most parts of economy is a very bad idea, even when faced by something like pandemic. People will not come together in solidarity if there is no light at end of tunnel and have nothing to gain by playing nice.

Let me spell that out a bit more clearly. See.. unless most under 40s (and under 50s) see a much better future at end of this particular tunnel, they will stop complying and playing nice with the system- especially if they see no compensation for the loss caused by measures which might reduce the mortality among boomers and older people. And you can’t blame them- what do they have to lose? It should also be noted that social atomization in western countries has long since reached levels where majority of people don’t really care about their old parents. Now try making people care about the welfare of old people to whom they are not related. This is also why I believe that Trump’s idea of slowly opening economy will get far more public support than most LIEbrals realize, even if doing so resulted in the death of many old people.

Will write more in next part about why Trump’s idea of opening the economy much sooner than recommended by “credentialed experts” might actually be one of his best brainfarts. And yes, he is absolutely right to ask whether the human loss and ruin caused by shutting down the economy is worth the lives saved by controlling this specific open-ended but low-mortality pandemic.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. HarshCritic
    March 24, 2020 at 3:02 pm

    1 dead young person out of 1000 can become 1 million dead if 100 million americans get sick.
    + 14 million dead boomers

    Your math is pretty bad. 0.1 % of 100 million = 1 * 10^8/ 10^3 = 1* 10^5 = 100 thousand. Acceptable, if the other option is collapse of economy and civil society. There are 74 million baby boomers in USA. Assuming a average mortality of 5%, that would work out to 3.7 million deaths. Population of USA is over 330 million.

    No way Trump gonna risk that. They will hang him.
    He will tighten the quarantine even further once it becomes obvious that the the death count will be off the charts.

    Oh.. he will. And he might have no option once the number of people of people without money or jobs exceeds the number of those who might die.

    Similar thing happened in Italy. They were reluctant to take measures to not harm the economy.
    Once they had 700-800 dead per day they shut down the economy completely.

    Italy is a far less atomized society with a much more generous social safety net. They can get away with more severe measures than in this country.

  2. MikeCA
    March 24, 2020 at 3:44 pm

    ” To put it bluntly, less than 1 in 500 people under 50 years of age with symptomatic COVID-19 infection of any type (fever, cough to respiratory distress) verified by PCR -based tests end up dying.”

    This is true for people who get modern medical treatment. Ventilators can keep people with pneumonia alive till they can recover. But if we do nothing and hospitals are overwhelmed, there will not be enough ventilators. Right now New York is estimating they will need 30,000 to 40,000 ventilators in 3 weeks or so. Before this crisis they had less than 4000. They have acquired 7000 more, but they still need 20,000 to 30,000. Unless they find a lot more, they are only going to have a ventilators for 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 patients that need them. Doctors are going to have to decide who gets a ventilator and who is left to die. That is the catastrophic collapse of the health care system people are trying to avoid.

    FYI, here is the answer to that question- https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1241733679120093187

    In this worst case like collapse, in all likely-hood, ventilators will still go to the youngest and many more older patients will be left to die. That is probably what is happening to some extent in Italy and why the fatality rate for older people is so much higher in Italy.

    And that is what happened in Lombarady. They just stopped putting people above 65 and with significant co-morbidities in ventilators.

    I’m hoping the situation in New York does not get as bad as they are projecting it will get.

    It likely will and that is why I am talking about Plan B aka what to do once the system is overwhelmed.

    • doldrom
      March 24, 2020 at 5:13 pm

      Okay smarty pants. Tell us what percentage of people who need a ventilator to breathe will be saved by having one (1-year survivor rate)? Even without Corona and concomitant age selection, your chances are not so great if they need to hook you up to a ventilator.

      [1] Still I would like to hear from you what the data are on heroic medical interventions with ventilators on critical corona patients. From what I’m seeing the chances are dim, and the ventilator is nothing more than a last good will gesture to those who had few life years left to begin with.

      [2] What is the relationship between the number of saves and the costs of a global depression, including suicides, famines, poverty, epidemics?

      March 27, 2020 at 3:00 am

      Fake and gay.

      “So it turns out NYC hospitals have not been overrun with patients and there are 1,000 available ventilators”

      MikeCA has been exposed as being a Wakandan Bot for spreading mass hysteria.

  3. Yusef
    March 24, 2020 at 6:18 pm

    Even if someone could wave a magic wand and cause the virus to disappear into the ether, economic contraction will be staggering.

    In this crisis, Trump mainly has the President;s “bully pulpit”– his influence and access to mass media, not much more. He can’t issue orders as if he was a the head of an army composed of the American public, unless…

    ………He declares martial law, an act unprecedented in U.S. history. I think he will be “forced” to do that. (I think it has all been planned.) All of this is being billed as unprecedented in U.S. history, and at this point, that’s what it is…Nothing like this has ever happened before.

    On both coasts there are states which have already instituted stay-at-home orders with no end date named. Do you think they’re going to put those in place and then quickly reverse them just because of Trump’s judgment?

    Trump is proposing an end date to shutdowns of April 12, 2020, (Easter Sunday.) That’s exactly three weeks from today, well over the shit storm time limit of two weeks previously mentioned. I assume Trump will not get this because the processes of shutting everything down at the state and local level have already progressed too far to be reversed.

    We’re in a new kind of world. It is uglier.

    It doesn’t matter to most people the mortality rates for most age groups are low. This is because most people do not reckon by calculating the odds. They perceive a possible danger to themselves, and they are right. Anyone anywhere might be that unlucky person who was 1 in 1000 or 1 in 10,000 or 1 in 100,000 or whatever the odds are.

    This is partially because the idiot media and government uncorked the bottle of fear and released panic into the air. People are facing these small kinds of odds of fatality all the time without going into paralytic freeze. It is fucking by design. Shit like this doesn’t just happen.

    • Yusef
      March 24, 2020 at 6:23 pm

      Easter Sunday is nineteen days from today, not twenty-one.

  4. P Ray
    March 24, 2020 at 6:41 pm

    Tangentially, things nobody talks about regarding the isolation, social distancing and no-contact measures to fight coronavirus:

    1)how many marriages will be destroyed by the father and mother staying together?
    Re: Retired husband syndrome, Shujin Zaitaku Sutoresu Shoukougun, literally One’s Husband Being at Home Stress Syndrome)

    2)how many marriages or relationships will be destroyed by the male and female being separate due to isolation … then using Tinder to overcome mental illness?

    3)how quickly will divorce proceedings and relationship breakdowns proceed? How much will the lawyers make?

    4)how quickly will this blackpill a lot of men?
    Remember, people like to say women have a lower sex drive than men, to which I reply,
    that’s because most women are not around men they are attracted to

    5)where does this leave #MeToo? and the amazing mental composure of women who recall rapes decades later but did nothing on the time immediately following the crime?

    6)will this reliance of women towards men during the lockdown, effectively hysterectomise feminism (at least for awhile)?

    So many questions, we’ll see the answers unfold.

    • P Ray
      March 24, 2020 at 8:45 pm

      They just banned r/shortcels.

      Looks like women really don’t want their mating habits to be exposed to the world.

      Looks like a lot of discussion boards are going to leave the monitor-able spaces of Reddit.

      As usual, women blackpill men.

    • P Ray
      March 30, 2020 at 7:08 pm

      Yes, I was right!
      NINE die in string of killings as UK enters second week of quarantine: Family of four are found dead at home, a husband is charged with killing wife, nurse is stabbed to death and father, mother and daughter die in murder-suicide
      NINE die in string of killings as Britain enters second week of quarantine
      Two adults and two children were found dead last night at a house in Woodmancote, Sussex (left, the scene tonight). In a separate incident, husband Anthony Williams, 69, is accused of killing wife Ruth (both, top right), 67, at their semi-detached home in Brynglas, Cwmbran, South Wales, where they had been self isolating amid the coronavirus lockdown. Police said the mother-of-one, who was found ‘unconscious’ and unresponsive’ at the property, died later in hospital of suspected head injuries. The couple had been married 45 years and neighbours said they appeared to be ‘devoted’ to each other. NHS nurse Victoria Woodhall (centre) died after she was stabbed multiple times in South Yorkshire. Her ex-soldier husband has been arrested. And a father, wife and daughter died in a suspected murder-suicide blaze at their home in Hemel Hempstead (bottom-right, the scene today).

      Looks like the most dangerous place, for the people who are “normal”, is home.

  5. Yusef
    March 24, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    “Any real state of fear will bring panic, and once panic is the prevailing attitude of society at large, the herd seeks safety at all cost. Seeking safety under these circumstances allows for tyranny by the ruling class, and when the restrictive consequences of that tyranny are in place, escape from mass servitude is almost impossible to achieve. It must be understood that decisions made under stress due to fear end with a loss of freedom, and when freedom is compromised, what is left is slavery.” GaryD. Barnett

  6. Plaque Doctor
    March 25, 2020 at 12:01 am

    Oh, look, this aryan woman who turned her back on us white nationalist men licked a toilet seat…


    I am glad I found Jack Donovan and the Wolves of Vineland through this prestigious anti-natalist web blog !!!! No more aryan woman for me !!!!

      March 25, 2020 at 1:23 am

      You mad, hwyte boi?

      Your aryan women are leaving you in huge numbers for us gay negro ubermensch!!!!!

      HAIL WAKANDA !!!!!

  7. tataghata
    March 25, 2020 at 8:37 am

    ”See.. unless most under 40s (and under 50s) see a much better future at end of this particular tunnel, they will stop complying and playing nice with the system- especially if they see no compensation for the loss caused by measures which might reduce the mortality among boomers and older people”

    This is the only thing i have to disagree with. Unless they start starving (which they won’t, even in years), they will not stop complying. The psychological need to have an authority and the limitless access to entertainment will always keep them in check. They will complain, they will be angry, but they won’t (physically) rebel.

    the rest of your post is insightful. keep up the good work.

  8. Yusef
    March 25, 2020 at 8:56 am

    “Lest we forget: In the greatest crisis in this nation’s history, in which the issue was whether the American Union would be severed into two nations, Abraham Lincoln suspended the right of habeas corpus, shut down state legislatures, closed newspapers, jailed journalists and was prepared to arrest the chief justice. And for the dictatorial measures he took, and for waging the bloodiest war in U.S. history, against fellow Americans, Lincoln is now regarded by many as our greatest president.” Patrick Bucanan, recent comment.

    Even I can see how a call by Trump to martial law, (which likely will not be called martial law, but something euphemistic along the lines of The Patriot Act) could be justified as the only possible response to limit damage.

    There’s not going to be opposition from the Democrats to it, or from the people. AD has forgotten it is all a charade and psych-op and the people were reduced to passivity and debt slavery long, long ago.

    I can say he has forgotten debt slavery because a key element to the predicament of the people is their record levels of consumer, mortgage, credit card debt, student debt RIGHT NOW. They aren’t going to have money to function as consumers or pay their bills, but even more than that, to pay their debts.

    There’s this little thing called a call feature on loans, and it can be a very sweet thing for lenders. It hasn’t been common for lenders to implement it in recent times, but it can be used to take over much of what the defaulting borrower owns. It has been ruthlessly applied in American History– we’ve collectively chosen amnesia, though. The sheriffs and police used to come onto a farm to help the banker force the defaulted farmer off the land. It didn’t matter the farmer was defaulting through no fault of his own, but for reasons provoking profound sympathy. The farmer’s friends and neighbors did not rally around to effectively help. They grumbled. They thought John Dillinger was cool because he did something. They themselves didn’t.

    The master stroke will be “debt forgiveness.” There are too many debtors this time around, and their assets are not the plump chickens of farmland which if collected on would reward the effort. In a way, their debt and so on is just a bunch of hocus pocus, as are their “properties” and “rights.” Say poof and it all goes away…. And then listen to everyone breathe a sigh of relief, express gratitude, and not take the time to notice all the aspects of what’s gone down.

  9. Yusef
    March 26, 2020 at 8:55 am

    The plutocrats are stepping in and pumping the DOW back up.

    There’s a bet to be made they’ll fail and their funding will get sucked back out. Even if the plutocrats do eventually fail (I don’t think they will), their short term success is impressive.

    We need to see we are not living in a “truly capitalist” society. The metrics we use to evaluate economic situations don’t really apply because in the background there are masters of the universe fully capable of intervening as they so choose. They aren’t following market forces, they are directing them. (CONNEDservatives seem to be slowest at taking this into account.)

    Going forward, the plutocrats may be a little nicer to the average Joe on Main Street than they’ve been so far in the new millennium. They will do so having fully ensured their own power and prerogatives are locked in and secured the power and prerogative. The average Joe will have more security, but lots less of the semblance of the “American Way”. He may be much more consciously aware he doesn’t have rights, ownership, or autonomy.

    Further along these lines, small businesses won’t be bailed out. The little restaurant down the block may reopen, but not as a “free enterprise.”

    I can also imagine institution of a “social credit system” “lite” devised for the American public, based quite loosely on the Chinese system. The surveillance needed for it is already in place, as is the necessarily surly police force and other ancillary law enforcement agencies. The system will have to be implemented by stealth, though, because the American public couldn’t and wouldn’t be able to take it if went rapidly.

  10. Yusef
    March 26, 2020 at 12:23 pm

    I went to the local blood bank yesterday, mainly because I was curious.

    On the way there, I passed by a live, downed power line. The end of it was glowing hot, like an arc welder tip. It was lying there on the ground, exposed, and potentially lethal. The long, bare line could have killed anyone who touched it. I’ve only seen this one other time in the U.S., when I was seven years old.

    I got to the blood bank and at first I thought it was closed. The lights were out. The lights were out because of that downed power line. I told the employees about it and they were glad to know the cause of the outage. They weren’t in operation, of course.

    I couldn’t give blood anyway because now, in order to have social distancing, no walk-ins are accepted. I would have to schedule an appointment. This means, right here and considering only this, two new limitations to blood supply: 1) No walk-ins, so some people who might have been able and willing to donate by walk-in won’t inconvenience themselves by calling in; 2) social distancing practices will reduce and delay donations. There are many more factors impacting blood supply than this. The reduction in blood bank supply will have health consequences down the road.

    These sorts of things need to be considered when calculating the sum total of health effects on the “War against Covid-19.” They aren’t. Notice I’m talking about health effects directly, not economic effects. It is, though, mad to think that anything impacting the provisions of goods and services (the economy) does not impact human health. It may be an indirect effect, but these are potentially just as lethal.

    We do need to answer this question,

    “What is the relationship between the number of saves and the costs of a global depression, including suicides, famines, poverty, epidemics?”

    This is the question Doldrum addressed to MikeCA. Note that MikeCA didn’t answer. He never does. MikeCA isn’t here to join the discussion as our equal. He is here to transmit the talking points he has read elsewhere, from the places he goes to learn what to think. He transmits them as our superior. I doubt, really doubt, MikeCA even reads the posts or comments we make to him. He’s here to minister to us as an authoritative voice. It pisses me off. You know when this is over maybe it will be the boomers who will take the heat rather than that certain ethnic persuasion. It really might be more fair if that’s the way it goes down.

    • P Ray
      March 27, 2020 at 1:22 am

      The reality is, for a lot of people who get through this pandemic without getting infected:

      Many of their competitors will be out of the game of life
      There will be lots of jobs
      There will be lots of land

      The only question is how to pay for it.

      Maybe all the (sexual) racism against people of colour who are not Black will dissolve in the healing solvent of money.

      A bright future means a lot of people got incinerated first.

  11. Rio
    March 26, 2020 at 10:16 pm

    “Even those under 60 experience a mortality rate of somewhere between 0.4 to 1.3%.”
    Gee, Ann Coulter said the exact same thing and she got terrorized on Twitter for it that she started trending. I guess 0.4-1.3% is insignificant for you eh?

    • Yusef
      March 27, 2020 at 9:35 am

      I’m not answering for AD, but I follow the same reasoning and statistical data.

      You are essentially saying people shouldn’t quote the statistics and reason about them because it makes them appear insensitive.

      You seem to think such insensitive people require shaming.

      Using reasoning and accurate statistical data does not mean I do not feel sadness when other people get sick and die.

      I regret there is sickness and loss of life. I do not feel the death of others is insignificant. That’s not the point, though.

      The point is that reality doesn’t change for the better when we get sad or don’t like it. We can’t change reality by wishing it to be better.

      Harsh reality must be dealt with realistically, not with wishing, fear, panic, passion, or hysteria.

      We’re better off staying calm and in possession of our senses.

      Panic doesn’t help Panic makes matters much, much worse, as indeed it has. We responded to a disaster by making it into an epic calamity and will emerge, if we emerge, permanently harmed.

      Did you have fun virtue signaling?

      Grow up, little Rio.

      • Rio
        March 28, 2020 at 4:21 pm

        Your pathetic attempt of a response is incredible. I bet you’re the pathetic simp that goes around telling people “but the Flu kills more people!”

      • Yusef
        March 28, 2020 at 6:14 pm

        i bet you’re the pathetic simp who gets his teeth knocked out when he says that in person.

      • Jack Donovan
        March 29, 2020 at 12:35 am

        Gay niggers kill more people each year than the Chinese Virus. We must urgently and permanently quarantine the pandemic of gay niggers.

      • Rio
        March 30, 2020 at 10:35 am

        Anytime you want to meet in person and try to knock my teeth out and try, I’m game. Let me know where and when dumb shit.

      • Yusef
        March 30, 2020 at 12:21 pm

        If you fight the way you reason, no problem. Is this really the best time to need dental care? You fools have closed down the dental industry.

      • Yusef
        March 30, 2020 at 1:56 pm

        I’m now under order to shelter in place and lock down. I ain’t going anywhere.

        You got your wish– most of the world is under martial law. The U.S.A. is.

        You’re game for a rumble. There’s going to be plenty of street fighting.

        It depends on how publicly you’ve been in touting your shit. You’ve succeeded in advocating the destruction of American democracy, let’s see how that works for folks. If not too well, I hope to God you face a consequence, little Rio.

    March 27, 2020 at 1:51 am

    Gay nigger commie in charge of the WHO (World Holocaust Organization):

    • Yusef
      March 27, 2020 at 10:57 am

      One of the most incredible things to see was Mr. Bill Gates’s ugly face right in the center of this. What the F! As she points out, none of these people are medical doctors. They aren’t experts. Bill Gates probably knows less than I do, which is very little. He certainly knows less than AD does.Yet he’s considered to have expertise. People are listening to him as if he knows what he’s talking about. I’ve seen Bill Gates referred to in numerous publications spouting off, telling the public what’s happening and what their response needs to be. People believe he’s credible! People assume, I guess, just because he’s one of the richest men in the world, he must be smart and he must know EVERYTHING. It is downright frightening. We are not listening to the people who do know. We are not listening to our experts. They are, unbelievably, being drowned out. If not actively (I assume there is active and conscious effort to censor them) then by not having the access to mass media Bill Gates, the Clinton demons, and monsters enjoy.

      Other than that, yeah, it is unbelievable, as the woman says, who it is running our show…The kind of record that person has….And the way it is all happening right under our noses.

    • Yusef
      March 27, 2020 at 11:13 am

      I also have to point out: Bill Gates already has a well-publicized plan to put ID chips in vaccines. This is precisely the kind of shit which scares me to death. It is so easy for me to imagine being pressured into mandatory vaccination, then having the vaccines contain little things such as ID chips which are not being injected into us for the benefit of our health but for the benefit of the New World Order. Yeah man, I have to speak in terms of the New World Order and accept membership into the league of the actively paranoid.

  13. P Ray
    March 27, 2020 at 4:38 am

    Well … now Boris Johnson has embraced Corona-chan.

    I am wondering what will happen in 9 months to his Generation C baby (Carrie Symonds is currently pregnant), Generation C is the designation for babies born during the CoViD-19 pandemic.

  14. March 27, 2020 at 11:19 am

    As of now it appears the stimulus bill of more extreme bankruptcy will immediately go into effect. But, we do not know how much of it will directly help those in need vs those in greed. Undoubtedly some provisions of it are premeditated and opportunistically meditated to feed those in greed at the cost of those in need. So, time will exposé some of those parts but not all the truth as the history of political pilfering and its codependent media mendacity hides the truth. But what else can we expect in a country where freedom of speech and equal representation cannot set men free from the freedom to lie and the representation of imbeciles? Freedom of speech includes the freedom to lie and equal representation includes the representation of imbeciles, of thieves, of parasites, of all undesirables, does it not?

    • doldrom
      March 27, 2020 at 6:53 pm

      Of course. Corona is a godsend to save the tottering house of cards known as the financial sector. Giving people with low incomes (if they pay taxes) some credit will not get them out of their troubles. But the wealthy will be bailed out at tax payer cost (pension funds, etc).
      If you could boost the economy by creating $2Tr, why not solve even more problems with $100Tr. This is insane. Millions are not going to be able to pick up the pieces of their lives, all to guarantee old codgers and extra day of life on a ventilator before kicking the can.

  15. March 27, 2020 at 12:34 pm

    “Will write more in next part about why Trump’s idea of opening the economy much sooner than recommended by “credentialed experts” might actually be one of his best brainfarts. And yes, he is absolutely right to ask whether the human loss and ruin caused by shutting down the economy is worth the lives saved by controlling this specific open-ended but low-mortality pandemic.”

    Couple things..

    I am almost 60 years old and I don’t give a shit if people my age and older die of this. I do not care how many are dying of influenza, so why should I give a shit about COVID 19? Because prestitutes and political whores tell me I’m supposed to? Because I’m supposed to be scardie cat they may shame me if I don’t? Fuck that!

    I do care about continuing my business UNINTERRUPTED!

    I do care about my future and the future of my children. I do not give a rats ass about making extreme personal sacrifices for any number of idiots with COPD, emphysema, lung cancer, (because they smoked most of their lives), or the idiot vapors and yes this includes some of my relatives. My own mother died of lung cancer after smoking 40 years. She developed pneumonia from an infection that resulted from a respiratory virus, couldn’t take chemo and would have died sooner than not anyway had she not smoked. Did I shut down my business to try to stop the spread of whatever the fuck virus it was? HELL NO. Did the doctors determine what the virus was? HELL NO. Do doctors determine what virus the majority of respirator viral infections are cause by? HELL NO. It is not my responsibility or obligation to shut down my business to help make a futile attempt to save those who are hell bent on destroying themselves and we should not tolerate a government or a gaggle of presstitutes and political whores who are trying to ram it down our throats or up our asses. As far as those who haven’t been hell bent on destroying themselves, this is life and certainly measures should be taken to prevent death. But if it is so extremely urgent that the world should be shut down, then why the hell wasn’t it as urgent for influenza especially since we have vaccine for influenza yet far more people are dying of it than COVID 19?

    Second thing..

    Trump has already wisely commented on the very real probability that deaths due to suicide as a result of mass depression and hopelessness could become a concern if the economy is not restored in short order. Not only is suicide a concern, but the damage to the economy can become long term simply because it takes a while for people to regain a sense of productive purpose and personal value after such a widespread severe downturn in communal trust.

    The internet and social media have opened up a discourse among all people like never before. This discourse has enabled instant access to information and details about history including recent history and including individuals recent actions, and words exposing a severe general lack of integrity among the political ruling class like never before. It appears more and more on a daily basis that the asstards in “charge” are screwing around with some very fundamental powerful influences, playing power games with the masses. This whole shit show could very well blow up into a post modern repeat of something like the French Revolution where the masses begin to clearly see what the current asstocrats have really been doing and get damn well fed up. This may get very interesting. Stock up on popcorn, it may be fun to watch!

    • doldrom
      March 27, 2020 at 7:01 pm

      [1] When there are criminals, you don’t put the whole population in a safehouse. You put the criminals in jail. We should have put all the old and risk groups in preemptive quarantine to keep the health care system up, since they from the greatest risk of overwhelming the ICU’s.
      [2] Hospitals have almost no measures (other than ventilators) that cannot be applied at home with tele-consults and some extra help (such as oxygen and antibiotics, etc). Going to hospitals guarantees the spread to health care workers and other visitors. Hospitals are the best place to get an opportunistic infection. Hospitals are not your salvation.
      [3] An extra day of life for old people with few life years left is not worth the sacrifice. Only 50% of people survive a ventilator for a year in normal times. In China only 5% of the ventilated Corona patients survived.
      [4] The amount of wasted human life due to the current measures will far far outweigh even the imaginary benefits of everybody staying in the ICU. A depression could easily see hundreds of millions of people in the third world starve, let alone the millions in Western countries that will see their jobs, business, housing, and lives melt away.

  16. P Ray
    March 28, 2020 at 8:06 pm

    And about the boomers …
    the only ones who will get through this CoViD-19 relatively lightly,
    are those with lots of physical assets and low amounts of money exposed in their 401K/share market …
    because both company profits AND the share market are tanking, any money depending on inputs from either are going to be reduced.

    In many ways, these are the people who “relied on a good economy previously, and the government” to protect them.
    Anyone talking about how things couldn’t last had a negative mindset.

    Well … I sure hope those boomers got their resumes updated for all the jobs that “youngsters are too stupid to do, because we old people know everything (but didn’t write down)”

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