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Why Forcing People to Wear Face Masks is an Incredibly Stupid Idea

As readers know, I often take positions that are contrarian and unpopular but eventually turn out to be right. Consider this article to be another one in that line. You might have heard or read that many politicians in this country and a few others are trying to force people to wear face masks in public for the alleged purpose of reducing or eliminating COVID-19 transmission. My thoughts on this turn of events is best summarized in the title of post, and ya.. I think it is an incredibly stupid idea. The longer version is however more nuanced than the title might suggest, and people who want to comment should first read the entire post completely. You will see there are a number of converging reasons, many of them not obvious, for my contrarian position.

So let us begin by talking about the three categories of face masks and what they are, and aren’t, capable of. The type of ersatz facemasks you see on people all over the country are.. well.. not good at preventing infection by respiratory pathogens. There.. I said it! Masks made of normal fabric (natural or synthetic) are too porous to stop anything smaller than clumps of bacteria or viruses in droplets of saliva or mucus. The only thing they are somewhat good at is reducing the amount of aerosols generated by a person suffering from a viral or bacterial infection. In other words, they have some efficacy at preventing an already infected people from spreading it, but are close to useless for preventing it in an uninfected person.

The second category include the so-called medical/surgical masks worn by medical professionals under certain situations. While somewhat better than ersatz masks, they are also most efficacious at stopping the wearer from infecting others which is very important when performing a surgical procedure or interacting with very sick or immuno-compromised patients. Do they have some efficacy in preventing the wearer from catching a respiratory infection? Perhaps.. if they are interacting with many people within a short time. However their effects on prevention infection of wearer appear to be mostly related to reducing the inoculum of the infectious agent- which is a fancy way of saying that getting infected with a smaller dose of the bug in question will cause a much milder disease than with a large dose. Moving on the the third category..

Masks that are rated N95 or N100, in contrast to the previous two categories are capable of preventing infection of wearer by a number of respiratory pathogens. This is possible because the masks form a tight seal around the nose and mouth while running all exhalations and inhalations through filters capable of retaining particles down to 0.2 micrometer or 1/5,000th of 1 mm. To make a long story short, only masks in the third category are actually capable of preventing the wearer from getting infected. The other two reduce, but not eliminate, the risk of already infected people from transmitting their infection. As you will soon see, this distinction matters far more than most people realize and is very relevant to this discussion.

Now let us talk about who benefits, and who doesn’t, from using all three mask categories. But before we go there, let us quickly revisit something I had mentioned in previous posts- namely, that mortality in people under 50 is less than 1 in 1,000 and hospitalization (not ICU) rates are less than 1%. It also happens to be the case that most people who get infected by COVID-19 are from this age-group. To put it bluntly, only people with chronic disease conditions and serious obesity in the under-50 age group benefit from using masks, specifically N95s as N100s are too bulky. Masks from other two categories give very little protection against infection, with surgical grade ones being marginally better than the ersatz ones.

One could certainly make the argument that providing surgical grade masks to people in certain occupations such as store clerks and cashiers, USPS and other delivery-people, airline stewards, people working in crowded environments and those working with older people would be helpful in reducing spread of infection to vulnerable populations. Other than that, the benefit of otherwise health people under 50 using ersatz or surgical-grade face masks is minuscule. But what about people between 50 and 70. Well.. once again, the risk of death for those between 50-60 is less than 1 in 500 and about 1 in 300 for those between 60-70. For such people, wearing surgical-grade masks could potentially reduce the size of inoculum would potentially reduce mortality. However their maximal effectiveness would still be restricted to crowded environments, rather than.. say.. walking your dog or getting a coffee from Starbucks..

The high risk groups aka people with multiple chronic diseases or in their 80s and beyond, are the only category who would benefit from using N95 type masks in most social situations. Note that these people will benefit very little from wearing ersatz or surgical-type masks. I say.. we should just give them a free supply of such masks and hand sanitizer until the COVID-19 epidemic is over. It would also be a good idea to provide such masks to people who take care of them, in institutions or otherwise. And this brings me to why so many politicians are pushing these stupid mask laws. It is.. you see.. about giving the appearance of action aka public theater. Demanding people wear masks outdoors is the 2020 version of TSA employees searching and scanning grandmothers and children for bombs and weapons after 9/11.

Which brings us to the next set of issues concerning mask laws. Who pays for masks, especially since a lot of people in this country are struggling to feed their families after losing their income due to the COVID-19 shutdown. More importantly, how do you enforce such laws? Haven’t we seen enough of how laws are disproportionately enforced against minorities and poor people? Do we want to see more video clips of black people being shot and strangled by cops for not wearing masks? Given the abysmally low trust of people in institutions and credentialed “experts”, why do you think people will obey such laws- especially since these same “experts” were claiming marks to be useless as late as early May of this year.

But wait.. it gets worse. Did you notice how voters behaved in 2016 when they were lectured by the so-called “elites” that Trump was not fit to be president. That is right.. they voted him in office. The same occurred with Brexit and the rise of many right-wing parties in western Europe due to public backlash against the refugee flood of 2014-2015. Most people hate busybodies, especially of the self-righteous variety, doubly so if there are members of the so-called “elite”. That dynamic combined with degree of political polarization in this country is going to cause some pretty ugly reactions and.. well.. situations. This is especially relevant since the same busybodies pushing for forced masks are the same ones who want to keep schools and universities closed indefinitely + cause millions of small businesses to go bankrupt.

And there is the other big question.. what happens if COVID-19 does not disappear in spite of forced mask laws and shutdowns? The so-called “elites” have tried to sell these measures as a guaranteed pathway to eliminate the disease, but have they even considered how most people will react if the promised end to new infections does not occur, in spite of these measures. Who are they going to blame? More importantly, will the already desperate and impoverished public care about their latest round of excuses? Sustained real unemployment rates about 20% seldom lead to a nice and orderly outcome, to put it mildly.

Finally, there is the issue of symbolism. Will retail and service sector business (employing numerical majority of population) go back to normal if everyone is wearing face masks a few months from now? Aren’t they a very visible reminder that things are not normal? Do you think that shops and malls are going to previous levels of commercial activity? What about restaurants and bars? Let me remind you that hotels, restaurants and bars + allied business in NYC or SF employ more people than the largest financial institutions in NYC or the biggest silly-valley corporation in the Bay area.

What about other small businesses or even larger business that depend on smaller ones? Do you have any idea about the magnitude of social disruption such a situation will cause? Do you have any clue about the amount of permanent job losses this will cause? Have you done some basic math about how this will crater tax revenue in cities and states all over this country? Well.. you should, because a situation where 1/3rd of people cannot make their rent or mortgage payment for month of July is far more scary than the consequences of people not wearing some stupid ersatz face mask of dubious efficacy.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. P Ray
    July 16, 2020 at 4:13 pm

    Before even getting to the point of “using masks is compulsory”, thermal screening is necessary – but as you said, pyretics can reduce the temperature of infected people.

    At the very least this pandemic and the disruptions it has caused, brings back the true meaning of the saying “cash is king”.

    Many people will also discover their relationship(s) is economically motivated too.

  2. July 16, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    Let me say this…

    People are stupid enough to believe that the world should remain closed until a goddamned vaccine, which may never happen. Can you imagine if people in “power” said that people could not go out, travel, enjoy life or have sex until a vaccine would be created for HIV – when the HIV scare became public in the early 1980s? Could you imagine what life would be like now? A lot of us probably wouldn’t even be here. But some folks would have fell for the okey-doke like they are doing now. The general public are nothing but cowards obsessed with fear and fake-ass illusions of “safety”.

    • doldrom
      July 17, 2020 at 5:00 am

      Actually, that did kind of happen. In the early days of HIV they did not want to label it a homo disease and were working on cures/vaccines. In the meantime gays were dying. In the end it was associated with anal sex and the gays adjusted and stopped dying. This sad story is what launched Fauci’s career.

      They’re still doing it. Instead of using hcq and ivermectine, they’re pushing remdesavir and still intubating people. The WHO/CDC advice (don’t use steroids, treat for ARDS) is literally killing. In countries less controlled by Pharma such as Morocco, Costa Rica, and India (and China as well) they are a little more practical and their mortality rates are much, much better.

  3. MikeCA
    July 16, 2020 at 7:43 pm

    You missed the big problem with masks. Nudists and people visiting clothing optional resorts are now being required to wear masks. I mean what has America come to when nudists cannot let it all hang out.

    /sarcasm off

    Ok, this is just more Russian propaganda. Your boy Trump is doing a great job of doing everything wrong already. Blog post like this that are read by no one but your sock puppets is wasting your time. Go back to posting about the advantages of escorts. Escorts really need the business right now.

    • ...the real reason AD is anti-mask...
      July 17, 2020 at 8:14 am

      “Go back to posting about the advantages of escorts. Escorts really need the business right now.”

      They made el diablo wear a mask and little diablo cover it with latex…

    • ...low status dudebroe...
      July 17, 2020 at 8:45 am

      “Escorts really need the business right now.”

      They are making bank right now. They are hustling cam shows and photos sets. When Corona is over you and AD will have to pay twice what you did before for them to touch you. Free market you motherfuckers. Good for me that the shit I care about won’t go into massive price fluctuation because of covid.

  4. Lalit
    July 16, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    Yo Daw! It Seems Bernie Sanders was nominated twice in the past as a Democratic party
    candidate for some election in fuckVille for the post of FuckWit or so and both times he left and competed as an independent anyway and left the Dems without a nominee. So with this History, why exactly should the Dems allow him to the presidential candidate again?

    Unless the BritFag narrating this shit is lying.

    Bernie Sanders always believed, at least in past, that democratic party was no different from its republican equivalent- perhaps a bit better on social issues, but that is it. Also anything coming out of the mouth of a BrifFag (especially on YT) is most probably a lie.

  5. July 17, 2020 at 8:22 am

    Agreed on the point about symbolism. I live with family and let them shop/do laundry for me, and I thank them for “allowing me to retain my dignity.” Two people in my household already had the virus and the rest of us were asymptomatic, so I’m not afraid of the virus. This is completely about the symbolism, and if I can continue to avoid being around what the mask actually is, essentially, anxiety about the virus, then I will gladly stay home. When I watch people from my window, I say all the ones without masks are the “real humans” lol. I’m stubborn and don’t want to interact with a compromised humanity.

    • castrated mgtow
      July 18, 2020 at 10:13 am

      bruh, I need my mask too survive, you say I noe her-0???

      https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/f/f0/Bane_TDKR3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120511112335

      oh, wells, Amazon says I’m no her-0 as they cut my $2 “hazard” pay just like my meanie parents cut my weenie with an evil circumcision…

      if the grows and the inches won’t accept me, maybe I can be a tranny and get accepted by the liberals and feminists…

      but how will I pee in my gatorade bottle if not standing up…..

      • Cucked again by autocorrect
        July 18, 2020 at 11:56 am

        “grows and the inches”

        oopsie, I meant to say mgtows and incels….

        I have not been so embarrassed since I sent the glories leader of mgtow Barbarossa money too complete his book. But he ran off and spent the money on transgendered “sex workers” because he is an alpha male that gets laid!!!!

      • July 18, 2020 at 12:43 pm

        use a catheter

      • castrated mgtow
        July 18, 2020 at 4:11 pm

        oh hai moonie,

        actually Stardusk recommends this…

        https://www.ebay.com/i/402256291267

        I had to listen to him whinge about muzzles for 3 hours before he discussed this. He actually has micropenis, not mangina FTR. But this works for him
        (hymn) nonetheless….

  6. ...low status dudebroe...
    July 17, 2020 at 8:38 am

    “One could certainly make the argument that providing surgical grade masks to people in certain occupations such as store clerks and cashiers, USPS and other delivery-people, airline stewards, people working in crowded environments and those working with older people would be helpful in reducing spread of infection to vulnerable populations.”

    Hey Advipoops…

    I was told to wear a mask in the March timeframe at my job. Yet noone of the warehouse assholes did (“I can’t breathe.”) I still got mild symptoms but was unable to get tested until May when the symptoms were long gone. You *would* think I would agree with you on what you are saying…

    Actually, they have a point. Doing heavy physical work (lifting, running etc) with a face mask or respirator is problematic. Only self-contained breathing systems with their own oxygen don’t restrict air flow during heavy physical exercise.

    However, I came to a much more sinister conclusion. According to “game theory” (not PUA shit) a society that is reciprocal and somewhat just would have 95% mask compliance. The effacy of face masks is if *everyone* wears them so that less droplets of aerosol get in the air then we will have less spread of covid. So I can presume that in a society with 90% mask compliance, my neighbor somewhat cares about me. In a society with 35% mask compliance, the message is loud and clear-Society doesn’t give one fuck about me and I am a disposable cog…

    That is also true, which is why countries such as Japan have extremely high rates of voluntary compliance.

    I treated myself to a nice guitar amplifier from all the overtime I had done this past Xmas. Instead, I kinda wish I treated myself to some prostitutes when I was showing mild symptoms. That way, maybe Mike CA and AD would have been exposed to corona virus. Maybe we would have lucked out and Mike CaCa and Advipoops would have been on of the one in 500 or 800 or whatever….

    • ...low status dudebroe...
      July 17, 2020 at 10:13 am

      “Actually, they have a point. Doing heavy physical work (lifting, running etc) with a face mask or respirator is problematic. Only self-contained breathing systems with their own oxygen don’t restrict air flow during heavy physical exercise.”

      Should have clarified that these were the “operations” cunts and faggots who laughed when my route was all screwed up and simultaneously yelled at me for being late and told me to wait 40 minutes so they could add packages to my route. Not the dudes unloading trucks… You are likely conflating a “sort center” with a delivery station but I doubt most would know the difference…

  7. bonzo
    July 17, 2020 at 9:28 am

    Reason 1 (stopping droplets from infected people who either have mild symptoms or are the type who never allow illness to stop them from going out on public) is big. IF, big IF, governments had explained back in March that purpose of masks was to protect other people, not yourself, and therefore not wearing a mask under certain conditions was antisocial and hence would be punished, and masks were only required where possibility of breathing or coughing directly into the face of strangers (indoors, conducting face to face business outdoors), then compliance would be high and no controversy, especially if this was one of a very small number of reasonable new rules. Additional rules might include mandatory plexiglass screens to protect cashiers from direct customer breathing/coughing, requirement to rinse hands with alcohol upon entering stores using alcohol provided by store, increased rate of air exchange for indoor businesses, etc). I believe these simple rules would have been enough to greatly slow the rate of transmission, this flattening the curve and even causing covid to more or less fade away like it has in Sweden. Note that these reasonable rules can be maintained indefinitely and also help with annual flu.

    Instead, we had insane overreaction that has caused people to rightfully scorn all these “experts”.

  8. July 17, 2020 at 10:27 am

    Several in-laws are in the medical industry. One of our children is studying biochemistry and microbiology, working at a hospital nanomedicine research lab summer internship. We are privy to numerous professional opinions concerning COVID-19, masks, etc. It is interesting to note that these medical professionals are very reluctant to publicly express their true opinions. Think they are afraid to? Think the media has brainwashed the public enough to instill that fear? You would be correct!

    The majority of medical professionals we know do not advocate mask use for a few self-evidently blatant reasons.

    1. Respiratory restriction causing headaches, lower blood oxygenation rate. Surgical masks, dust masks, etc. are designed and intended to be used for relatively short periods of time, not all day, everywhere one goes in public, continuously or for a majority of the day.

    2. Sucking in air through a mask traps higher concentrations of all contaminates on the mask media. Touch the mask media, rub your itching eye, nose, etc., you risk a higher chance of being infected with whatever is on the mask than if you wore no mask. Is anyone stupid enough to think the average person will remember to not touch their itching eye, especially because itching stimulates an automatic response we are only consciously aware of because of the itch?

    3. Hospital policies concerning surgical masks universally mandate very strict disposal procedures for masks and limit their use under strict protocols concerning when and where they are put on as well as how and when and where they are removed and what is done with them immediately afterward. If these procedures are not followed the masks are rendered useless at best and a vehicle for spreading contamination at worst. Is anyone stupid enough to think that mask use without following such procedures is effective? Is anyone stupid enough to think the public would ever follow such procedures effectively?

    4. All respiratory masks are designed to be disposable or washable. Disposal or cleaning of entire masks or filters are typically required after limited use. The vast majority of people are not, and will not follow the instructions. This significantly INGREASES the likelihood of spreading contamination. Masks collect higher concentrations of the virus. Infected people take them off and expose the higher concentrations to others around them by releasing the higher concentrations in the ambient air as well as touching the masks and spreading the virus with their hands.

    • Yyy
      July 17, 2020 at 10:43 am

      Aw fuck, you have children? God help us all from this parasite’s strain of DNA…

  9. ...low status dudebroe...
    July 17, 2020 at 10:54 am

    Pigs: “If ya can talk ya can breathe…”

    Pigs: “Mask whilst ordering food… I can’t breath…”

    The only difference between the cops and the criminals is the criminals are bit less likely to be sociopaths….

  10. Observer Of Life
    July 17, 2020 at 11:02 am

    If masks are useless/dangerous, why have the countries with the strongest mask policies seen the best results in reducing/eliminating infections?

    Did you read the post? I don’t think so..

    Anyway, there are two main reasons.

    First, countries such as Japan and South Korea also have excellent public health systems to track down and quarantine individual people in a comfortable manner. The same is true for Vietnam, which though poorer has a pretty good public health system. Also, these countries never let COVID-19 become an epidemic with massive community spread within their countries.

    Secondly, the east-asian countries you are talking about (Japan, South Korea, Vietnam etc) also have a previous culture of people with even minor respiratory infections wearing masks to prevent its spread. As you might recall, that is specifically how masks in the first two categories work.

    So it is not masks for all, but rather masks for the vulnerable as well as those with even minor symptoms.

    • ...whatever...
      July 17, 2020 at 11:41 am

      AD tries to portray himself as this “deep thinker” with sharp critical thinking skills. Don’t let facts and figures interfere with his delusions…

      In fact, expect him to write this in a few weeks…

      “The US will no longer be seen as a superpower. The government repeatedly and incompetently dropped the ball. And that is not all, a contentious and politically divided population was unwilling and unable to take simple precautions to flatten the curve. Should one be surprised that a population that had the highest debt levels and obesity rates in the developed world faired so badly?”

      Actually, I wrote that sometime ago and have been saying something along those lines for past decade or more.

      Here is one link.. https://dissention.wordpress.com/?s=Inept+Western+Response+to+COVID-19+Will+Result+in+Public+Backlash

      and here is another.. https://dissention.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/law-order-duct-tape-and-empires/

      It looks like for now, he is trying to cozy up with the alt-reich losers… “Uh, you accept that Rooshie guy as a white guy with a tan, please accept me too.”

      • doldrom
        July 17, 2020 at 2:29 pm

        fared

    • ...I am disagreeing with AD so I must be a low T cuck....
      July 17, 2020 at 12:12 pm

      “So it is not masks for all, but rather masks for the vulnerable as well as those with even minor symptoms.”

      You are being disingenuous here. Firstly, the incompetent government changed what was considered symptoms. Specifically, things like sore throats and loss of smell were not considered symptoms if you were trying to get tested in many localities as far back as April. Secondly, many people are walking around thinking/hoping that that sneeze was just seasonal allergies. In some cases that might be the case but not in others. Thirdly, many are asymptomatic to which I am sure you will emphatically say “They Can’t Spread No Covid!”

      And I wrote about those issues as far back April 2020!

      You should have caught a bigger marker that the West has now crossed over into a low trust society. My neighbor does not care about me. My neighbor does not care if I get sick, I will not care if they lose their home.

      Once again, I have writing about this as far back as 2012 and before.

      https://dissention.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/social-atomization-highlights-unwantedness/

    • doldrom
      July 17, 2020 at 2:34 pm

      And they use bidets, they wash their bums.
      I think there is a transmission vector being ignored. Respiratory viruses wax and wane with the absolute humidity. This one is not doing so. The presaging of virus outbreaks in sewer water samples is another sign. Yet another sign is the nodes by which it spreads (hospitals, nursing homes, prisons, families).

  11. ...low status dudebroe...
    July 17, 2020 at 11:22 am

    I wonder what MikeCaCa’s beloved Democratic party has to say about this:

    https://www.westword.com/news/covid-19-king-soopers-denver-employee-tells-all-about-deadly-outbreak-11742028

  12. Jack Donovan
    July 17, 2020 at 5:50 pm

    Hey Advocates,

    Surprised too see you still writing’. We at the wolves of vineland thought you was a gone’r….

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53452034

    oh, well, guess it’s a different hindu muffin…

  13. Jack Donovan
    July 17, 2020 at 5:52 pm

    BTW,

    Da authorities tried to bust in on us in Portland…

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53453077

    Good thing the police chief is also a member of the whites only bath house, we was released.

    See Hayle !!!

    14 88 !!!

    Not Str8 !!!

  14. Jack Donovan
    July 17, 2020 at 6:04 pm
    • P Ray
      July 18, 2020 at 1:08 am

      Sorry bro, currently have access to (and will eventually own) multiple landed properties.

      Don’t live near any rivers or lakes.

      • Jack Donovan
        July 18, 2020 at 9:39 am

        Oh Hai PeeShooter, err Ray,

        “In many ways it really does make you think there is a Jewish conspiracy, helped along by a lot of people who are trying to be “whiter than white”.”

        Oh lala, you say the seXXXy words but you don’t leave ’em in my comment, what gives???

        So, uh here’s the deal. You let the wolves of vulvas, err vineland party at your house. YOU get to be an honorary white guy for the nite. Let’s just say, no condoms needed.

        Maybe your house will look like that house afterwords, and pretty sure that’s how your orientation is looking’s what’ya say???

      • P Ray
        July 18, 2020 at 10:09 am

        Nope not interested in a sausage party.

        With the economic crash coming for a lot of Western economies – or the looming war – within the next 2 years … there will be a reasonable amount of refugee poon that I am looking forward to indulge in.

        It’s a great rush to know your active participation – or not – has an effect on whether someone is going to live another day.

      • Jack Donovan
        July 18, 2020 at 10:46 am

        “Nope not interested in a sausage party.”

        oh lala, nuthin like some last minute resistance….

        Rooshie Dooshie learnt his techniques from us, nuthin a quit of hard liquor won’t solve. Str8 brah will sober, down low while buzzed, happens every time!!!

  15. ...why is AD hellbent on pushing the right winger narrative...
    July 17, 2020 at 8:47 pm

    I suspect AD has kept himself safe with his work from home “job.” He likely orders everything online and spends an inordinate amount of time on pornhub. He *may* have tried to contact one of his beloved prostitutes and offered half-rate so she could “make rent.” He likely threw a temper tantrum when she demanded double pay and that diablo wear a mask.

    He is essentially pushing a narrative that *most* people don’t die from covid so don’t worry about it. There is a possibility that it causes more damage than many realize. Many people are describing that it took far longer than the two weeks (official narrative and that’s what benevolent Bezo’s pays yah, so it must be true) for them to feel better. They have described chronic fatigue, “brain fog,” low energy and other issues. This ain’t the flu…

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/08/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-covid-symptoms

    Now if AD is sooo bored with his WFH “job,” why doesn’t he work part-time at a supermarket? He will likely say that such work is beneath someone of his caste. But couldn’t it be that AD doesn’t want to get Covid?

    For those who give crap, screenshot this. Diablo might throw this comment down the memory hole….

    Because I have read enough history to know about the second- and third- order consequences of prolonged high rates of unemployment. Let’s just say that it always ends badly and once certain things are unleashed they always take on a life of their own.

    • P Ray
      July 18, 2020 at 1:19 am

      Looks like your comment wasn’t thrown down the memory hole.

      When I allowed people to comment freely on my Facebook account … Facebook banned me.

      It’s so nice to know during the same time they reinstated an actual terrorist’s account 9 times.

      In many ways it really does make you think there is a Jewish conspiracy, helped along by a lot of people who are trying to be “whiter than white”.

    • P Ray
      July 18, 2020 at 10:12 am

      The fun part about the chronic issues of CoViD-19 sufferers …

      is they become less attractive for long-term relationships and children, because there is a chance those conditions get inherited, plus …

      who wants to take on someone who has been careless with their health, that you have to pay for for the rest of their life?

      And since women survive CoViD-19 far more than men, they have a greater incentive to be the best whore they can be to secure future provisioning.

      In the next few years, expect a surge in “attractive women getting married to regular/ugly guys” – the plan is to divorce them and take half.

      In this generation, when a good deal drops into your lap – especially for relationships – it was a planned outcome.

      • ben fooled again
        July 18, 2020 at 10:20 am

        drat, peeray,

        I shouldn’t of followed Jordan Petersons advice and “manned up and married the slut.”

        It’s just my tinder was exploding with hotties from the covid ward…

        y’know, naughty nurses, and those spring break partiers…

        ..I was just gonna keep my head down, work dat OT, and the rent out huh investment property…

        …but she had me with if “you can’t accept me at my covid worst, you don’t deserve me at my pr0nstar breast…

        now i just finished the Zoom wedding and she sent me pictures of her barb wire strap-on for the honeymoon…

        I.am.so.fuct….

  16. ...why is AD hellbent on pushing the right winger narrative...
    July 17, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    “Because I have read enough history to know about the second- and third- order consequences of prolonged high rates of unemployment. Let’s just say that it always ends badly and once certain things are unleashed they always take on a life of their own.”

    Then why don’t you suggest three things that would solve many problems…

    1.) Thorough testing (yes, it’s probably too late, the gov’t is incompetent.)

    Yes, and here is a back of envelope calculation. Mortality for people under 50 is less than 1 in 1000, yet about 9,000 people under that age have already died in USA. In other words, over 9 million under 50 have already had COVID-19. Add in the high rate of asymptomatic disease in that age group and you get a figure of about 18 million or 6% of population. Now add in older age groups and the number is somewhere between 20-25 million or about 7-8% of population. It is far too widespread for testing to make any difference in controlling it now.

    2.) A UBI of $2000 a month per adult US citizen. For essential workers, they can decide if they want to leave or risk covid. For all those covidiots who are “bored,” they can still get the $2000 and go out and get a job. Doesn’t the free market solve everything and if people have more cash in their pockets all their problems magically go away?

    I am totally with idea of UBI and have suggested it at least as far back as 2010. The real question is- is something like that going to get passed in current political environment. I think not.. and yes the “elite” are too stupid to understand the consequences of not doing so.

    3.) Voluntary 90% compliance of social distancing and mask use. Allow gyms to open in open air environments.

    Not realistic in many cities (even in USA) and will kill jobs in many sectors of economy. At this stage letting it run through population is going to be the most likely outcome- one way or the other.

    • doldrom
      July 18, 2020 at 5:46 am

      In March authorities were saying we’re too late for containment, but we can change the shape of the area under the infection curve to have enough ventilators (mitigation).
      Starting in April, everybody is still acting as if containment, track&trace, etc., is still a thing. Everybody is comparing countries that did better or worse (in terms of suppression). Nobody seems to think that the area under the curve will prove relatively resilient to any kind of measures.
      WHO advice to treat for ARDS and not use steroids turned out to be a death sentence. The ventilator protocol is pretty close to taking place on a second-rate electric chair. And the entire discussion has defaulted to containment until vaccination, even though none of it bears no resemblance to reality: it’s all tilting at windmills for political gain. And more thoughtful voices have been silenced or marginalized.

  17. Gordonsson
    July 19, 2020 at 12:11 am

    From a casual perusal of wolrdometer stats, it looks like Sweden (relaxed reaction to covid) and Belarus especially (no restrictions at all-“let ‘er run”) got it right.

    It has done the run-through and their populations are now far less vulnerable than those of the successful “suppressors”, with way less social-economic dislocation.
    The low death number for Belarus could either be a bit “cooked” or simply due to the fact that fatties (from personal observation on a trip a few years ago) are still uncommon in FSU countries.

    They can now engage with the rest of the world.

    In NZ, there has been some smugness about a generally successful suppression and (so far) elimination. Can’t help thinking that it was a well-executed, but stupid policy.

    We have given the social-economic fabric a stern rogering and moated ourselves off, and have hence maintained immunological weakness and vulnerability.

    Now what? Wait 5yrs?, 10yrs?, forever? for a safe and effective (fast-track vaccine development being touted recently sounds dodgy) vaccine before lifting border quarantine?

    Oz (notwithstanding a flare-up in Melbourne, from security guards and quarantinees rooting each other) is in a similar situation.

    I wonder how much traction political Corona Parties (slogan:”Lets Get Infected”) would get in various countries at election time in the next couple of years, given that the fastest and safest means of immunisation for under 50s (poss even for under 60s) is (most likely) to get exposed to the virus.

    • doldrom
      July 19, 2020 at 8:14 am

      Sweden and Belarus (and Switzerland), and many 3rd world countries de facto, followed nature. NZ and Oz will be needing to be islands in the literal sense for decades. China and Hong Kong also having problems with new outbreaks. Curious how success will be defined 2 years out, but by then there will be so much depression and fascism that nobody will evaluate.

      • P Ray
        July 19, 2020 at 8:03 pm

        I also would like to see how the NZ economy survives without foreign money.

        After all, international students pay 5x the fees of domestic students.

        Many institutions and universities have cut staff.

        The ones hit hard, this time around and finally, are the arts lecturers and graduates.

        Looks like BS only works when the economy is thriving, who knew?

        And NZ also needs cashed-up migrants (and international students) to boost the prices of their businesses and dwellings, along with paying for all the tourist traps and volunteering for social justice issues that may result in jail time and fines – not a good look in your home country!

    • P Ray
      July 19, 2020 at 7:59 pm

      As a New Zealander would say, yeah nah …
      The first two cases of CoViD-19 were:
      1)An Iranian man
      2)A New Zealand white woman

      and then after the first wave settled,

      they
      1)Let two kiwis from the UK visit a dying relative, without ensuring they were secured first (“compassionate release”) and there was infected among them.

      Ashley Bloomfield went from hero to zero,

      and again, it affirmed that New Zealand – by only checking that Asians didn’t have the virus … let the virus through.

      From a utilitarian standpoint, that’s exactly why racism is stupid – it makes you give special treatment to others.

      But then I’m not sure many Kiwis understand that viewpoint.

      After all, not many of them pursue (or trust) higher education. Except the one involving cannabis, norml and 4-20 …

  18. javert
    July 21, 2020 at 1:15 pm

    Longtime reader here, since you are knowledgeable in the field without the bias, do you think there’s real ground behind the claims of discovered vaccines that will be distributed in the mid term? The fact that four decades have passed and we still have no HIV vaccine or even a common flu vaccine make the claims look extremely suspicious.

    Realistically, I don’t see widespread vaccination against COVID-19 before March or April 2021. And this assumes we will have an approved vaccine sometime in September 2020. Logistics + public acceptance is a bitch!

    It is not difficult to develop vaccines against Coronaviruses- and we have a pretty good idea of how to develop them based on animal models. The problem is that almost every single coronavirus vaccine developed to date (for animal or human use) requires two doses spaced about 2-4 weeks apart for optimal efficacy.

  19. Stef Th.
    August 13, 2020 at 7:57 am

    Perhaps the measure of enforcing the use of a mask is foolish. Perhaps only those who want to should wear a mask, let the population move freely and gather especially now in the summer, so that the majority can acquire the virus and thus create immunity, given that, as 6-month (and more) experience shows, the majority of people <65 years of age "suffers" covid-19 mildly or have no disease at all, and mortality is infinitesimal. Only measures should be taken to protect the elderly.

  20. Stef Th.
    August 17, 2020 at 9:38 am

    This virus is highly contagious, but it is not more lethal than other viruses (on an individual basis). We all now know very well that the initial mortality was fictitious. Now that we can measure antibodies, we find that too many people infected with the virus are asymptomatic (perhaps most people) or have very mild symptoms of fever. The denominator of the fraction is so large that it seems that real mortality is not much different from the simple flu. Transmissibility is much higher. It is very important to understand that morbidity and mortality are not invariant features of the virus but depend on other factors. Apart from age and pre-existing aggravating health factors that are important, we are not talking at all about other important mortality rates, such as the health system and access to it, population density, social management of the elderly, air pollution, socio-economic order, insurance, racial differences in multicultural societies. All of these may be more important than the genetic background of the virus or the patient.

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