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What Happens if Neither Trump Nor Biden Concede After 2020 Election?

In a previous post, I asked the question – do Democrats have a plan if election has an uncertain or disputed result? In that post, I also talked about a few scenarios including one where different political factions in swing states certify two different set of result certifications and vote counting in many states takes more than a few days. Since something like this has not occurred in living memory, especially in a highly polarized political environment, it is entirely possible that neither Trump or Biden will concede defeat leading to a very ‘interesting’ scenario where two people are claiming to have won the electoral college and thus the presidency. Turns out that I am not the only one who is seriously considering this possibility. See attached clip containing a discussion about how some of these things might go down.

The summary is that it is very likely for Trump to lead by a large margin of votes on election night, with said lead being slowly eroded and overcome once mail-in ballots are counted. But here is my question- will they be counted? What is there to stop Trump from declaring victory based on election night results and alleging massive mail-in ballot fraud? We know that his core base, which is enthusiastic and large (about 40% of voters) will go along with whatever he says. Now democrats such as MikeCA might say that their party has many high-powered lawyers, to which my counter is that Trump supporters have far more guns and willingness to wield them. It is very easy to imagine a scenario where a population that has grown to hate the COVID-19 shutdowns etc might just decide to take matters in their own hand, especially if Trump goads them on. In fact, they might do it even if Trump does not explicitly call for such action.

So what happens if neither Trump or Biden win decisively on election night and tons of mail-in ballots have yet to be counted? Or what if Trump wins decisively on election night but there are still many uncounted mail-in ballots? What happens if there are dozens or ,maybe, hundreds of parades by pro-Trump armed militias that converge on vote counting or storage locations? Do you think the local police forces will intervene? What happens if more than a few vote counting locations are set on fire or otherwise trashed by armed mobs of Trump supporters? What if they are met by mobs of Democratic party supporters? Remember that this is far more likely to occur in swing states such as FL, WI, MI ec than ‘blue states’ such as CA, NY or MA. At what point will either side relent and accept that they have lost? Or will they never admit? Will the person who ultimately takes office after inauguration day 2021 be seen as the legitimate president?

And we are not even talking about potential outbreaks of violence and intimidation by either side on and before election day. If you think that 2020 has been an exceptional year so far, it might be about to get a whole lot more ‘interesting’.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. MikeCaCa
    September 2, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    Sense I am a very cogent debater, I must say that you Russian trolls get stupider by the day. We will win because we have lawyers and we can re-write the laws. So what if those idiot trump skins have guns, we have pens and pens are mightier than the sword. You have learnt NOTHING from reading Lion of the Blogosphere!!!!!

    We will use GW Bu$h to say the erection, er, election was $tolen…..

  2. DJ butt hunger
    September 2, 2020 at 8:15 pm

    Monkey for pres 2020! Bananas for all!

    • Plague Doctor
      September 3, 2020 at 2:25 pm

      I do like bananas if by that you mean cock…

  3. Jack Donovan
    September 2, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    we had to move our gym where we work cardio (boom china wahwah, if you get my drift) into the parking lott, yet Queef, er Queen Pelosi gets her hair and nails done indoors….

    Our beloved AD can’t even get his prostrates massaged by a chinese lady with her long fingernails, yet your beloved politicians get their hair manicured…

    • Plague doctor
      September 3, 2020 at 2:26 pm

      I am soooo glad that white nationalists showed me gay pride, eew on pelosi… even for a gilf….

  4. abprosper
    September 3, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    I’m not sure if Biden can win but no matter who wins the other side will assume they are illegitimate. However Trump people are much less likley to use violence than the Left and for every Kyle Rittenhouse there are a hell of a lot more Molotov chucking Leftists.

    What will happen if Trump wins is massive organized and paid for violence from the Left with serious retaliation from the Right only if they leave the Blue hives.

    Its not impossible that a refusal by Trump to leave office feeling rightly or wrongly it was fraud or a refusal of Democrats to accept results might result in a CONstitutional crisis. How that pans out is beyond me.

    Long term though, a civil war is probably inevitable, There is just about a critical mass of idiots on both sides which combined with the commons sense notion that different people should not share a polity will result in violence,

    It could be anything from Bosnia X Rwanda to what the experts think is something akin to the Nicaraguan civil war. Who knows.

    The US may not survive that intact either.

    • doldrom
      September 4, 2020 at 8:47 am

      John Pelosi is talking about military intervention, you know, the illegitimate gamer of the Democratic primaries in 2016. They’re gaming scenarios such as the 3 western states seceding and having the military install president Kamala to prevent it. Armies of lawyers, with hundreds of cascading plans to game votes and elections, close polling stations (Corona), etc.

      However, just as Americans could not fix the system when Bush Jr got in (great call: 911/Iraq), nothing will happen to fix the system. Where I live, they abolished electronic voting in 2004. Everybody gets a voting voucher (numbered and digitally verifiable), and upon presenting legal ID you get a ballot, which are tallied several times (not by people involved in party politics) and certified. Nothing ever goes wrong, and we always have 50 parties or so running. You can grant power of attorney or vote abroad at a consulate/embassy, but a voucher and ID (documentation) is required for everybody involved before you get a ballot. Back when there was still draft (until 1988), voting was compulsory, and you could theoretically be fined for not casting a vote.

      Just as in America, the left has a huge benefit if the sun shines and polls stay open late — people on the left are just less likely to go and vote because it belongs to the obligations of holding citizenship.

      Countries such as Venezuela have even more rigorous audit trails.
      It’s not that hard if you want it to be above board.

  5. Roe
    September 10, 2020 at 9:55 am

    The OP has gone from “Trump will win the election” to now “what if it’s a draw?”. No fucking credibility.

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