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The Many Reasons Why Any Vaccine Mandate is a Very Stupid Idea

In some ways, this post is a continuation of a previous one but with a very specific detour that does not fit in with serial nature of that one. As regular readers know, in the past year I have written multiple posts about why the alleged “elites” and parts of younger generation in West have slowly lost touch with material reality over past two decades. While the list of reasons is long, varied and often specific to the group that has gone nuts, the net result is often same. Furthermore, there are some universal symptoms of people losing touch with physical reality- especially when it comes to dealing with people outside their carefully curated social bubble.

Matt Taibbi has recently written a few posts (link 1, link 2 and link 3) about how ‘liberals’ are increasingly unable to understand the motivations of people who don’t inhabit their incestuous social bubbles. While some of you might not realize it, we are currently witnessing an example of this phenomenon in action- in the form of liberals clamoring for vaccine mandates and trying to shame the “vaccine hesitant”. Let us be clear about something first.. nothing even vaguely similar to what liberals imagine as “vaccine hesitancy” exists in real life. Instead you have people who have varying degrees of distrust in the establishment and institutions who are pushing COVID-19 vaccines. And for good reason!

Almost every single institution in the West even remotely connected with responding to the COVID-19 pandemic fucked up in the beginning and then kept on fucking up. We still do not know whether anyone of the Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs) had any effect on spread of that infection. Every bit of evidence we have so far suggests that most of these highly touted “measures” and “protocols” had zero effect on COVID-19 transmission. This is most easily seen by comparing population-normalized graphs for cases, hospitalizations and deaths in adjacent countries or states which adopted vastly differing NPIs. In fact, the many waves of COVID-19 throughout the world fit best with seasonality and latitude, which is how many other respiratory and gastrointestinal viruses behave.

Now let us talk about why vaccine mandates are a very stupid idea..

1] As mentioned previously, the many establishments and institutions pushing for mandatory vaccinations have spent the past 16-18 months repeatedly torching their public credibility. Whether it is flip-flopping on ineffectual facemasks and NPIs, lying about the origins of COVID-19 to deliberately trying to suppress information about potential treatments- they have lost so much credibility in the eyes of a significant minority of population that anything they touch will be automatically suspect. To make matters more interesting, those who have lost most trust in these institutions are also the ones who are most likely to own guns or otherwise use lethal violence successfully- especially in USA. We also cannot forget how such attempts at coercion will play in the current highly politically-polarized atmosphere in this country.

2] Which brings us the class component of the unwillingness to get vaccinated. Michael Tracey recently wrote an article about this very issue in which he discusses an observation by one his reader that the willingness to get vaccinated has a strong component of mental investment in the status quo. It does not help that the narrative pushed by media about who is not getting vaccinated is based in their own fantasies with no connection with reality. Black and Hispanic Americans are far less likely to have gotten vaccinated for COVID-19 than White and Asian-Americans. Also compare that to the above 90% rate of vaccination in older white voters (in most pasts of the country) who who voted for Trump. Did I mention that most Black, Hispanic and younger white people have already been exposed to COVID-19 and almost certainly have natural post-infection immunity which is likely superior to that obtained after vaccination.

3] Let us now talk about whose lives has suffered the greatest loss of quality since all those ineffectual “lockdowns” and COVID-19 “protocols” began over a year ago. Here is a hint.. numerically speaking, most of them are not old and white- at least in USA. Those affected are almost all below 50-55 and either Black, Hispanic, White (esp below 40) and either in low-paying jobs or small business owners. Let me remind you that these has been an over 30% year-to-year increase in deaths due to drug overdose and the numbers of those far exceed those due to COVID-19. For example, the state I currently live in has about 20 times more deaths due to drug overdose than COVID-19 in the below-50 age group over the past 12 months. The year-to-year increase in overdose deaths alone was almost 5 times that due to COVID-19. Liberal idiots who think that vaccine passports, further restrictions and “lockdowns” will not cause a nasty blowback are being delusional.

4] During the first 6-8 months, most people (even those whose lives suffered a lot) generally went along with this bullshit because they thought there was light at the end of this tunnel. This feeling increased a bit once vaccines became available and the most vulnerable received them. However all of this goodwill and willingness to go along with stupid and sometimes contradictory dictates by public health morons has rapidly evaporated over past few months. The sentiment among those who suffered most from “lockdowns” and other bullshit have had enough of this nonsense. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that vaccine passports and other coercive bullshit will now be increasingly met by something other than compliance, from the groups who are most capable of such responses.

5] It also does not help that we know that people who are “fully vaccinated” with currently available vaccines can get symptomatic illness and spread it to others. We can certainly talk about reductions in the rate of hospitalization and death, but let us not pretend that public health morons were not shilling for the unproven efficacy of these vaccines at preventing infection and reducing spread. Talk about repeatedly scoring self goals. But it gets worse.. now Pfizer and Moderna are pushing the idea of a third dose of their over-hyped mRNA vaccines to combat the “delta” or “insert your name of choice here” strain- in spite of a lack of properly done studies to support that contention. I am waiting for them to push for a 4th, 5th or even 6th dose- and they are monomaniacally greedy enough to do so.

6] I have noticed that many liberals are in favor of cutting benefits to the “unvaccinated” and otherwise restricting their access to social goods. There are two major problems with this, neither of which those morons can apparently see. Firstly, setting such a precedent will backfire on them, once their party of choice is no longer in power or in effective control of the country. Let me remind you that the majority of guns in this country and the training of use lethal force is largely with those opposed to vaccine mandates. All of your laws, rules and regulations mean shit if you cannot enforce them- just ask anybody from Mexico, Brazil etc. It does not help that the people pushing vaccine passports etc are also pushing teaching critical race theory, laws to “protect the environment” which will impoverish tens of millions and other assorted bullshit that is unpopular in this country- for reasons beyond the purely ideological.

The second problem is even more serious than the first. Let us say you can somehow manage to pull the vaccine passport shit off in all parts of this country- for at least a short time. What happens next? Do you really think that such a system won’t be used to push other and even more unpopular ideological agendas. But it is the second and third order reactions to pushing other agendas which is most worrisome, since it is almost guaranteed to either make this country come part forever or become functionally ungovernable- like Mexico or Brazil. Did I mention that there is is ‘back’ button for such a turn of events? Once the process starts and reaches a certain critical point (either due to reason 1 or 2), there will be no USA- at least as people understand it today.

If you don’t believe that a good part of this country is cynical and politically polarized enough for those outcomes, let me remind you that a game show host such as Trump won in 2016 and lost by less than 46k votes (in a few states, under less than clear conditions) after winning a record of over 74 million votes even though he fucked up his first term in office.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. Jack Donovan is a liberal piece of sh!t
  2. übermensch
    August 7, 2021 at 9:52 pm

    hmmmm, sounds like there could be a market for forged vaccination cards…

    might be a nice source of income from those who lost their livelihoods while coma and newfag were living like kings…

  3. arjun
    August 7, 2021 at 9:55 pm

    “In some ways, this post is a continuation of a previous one but with a very specific detour that does not fit in with serial nature of that one.”

    still worth reposting…

  4. arjun
    August 7, 2021 at 10:10 pm

  5. Mike CaCa
    August 7, 2021 at 10:16 pm

  6. übermensch is a fag liberal
    August 7, 2021 at 10:37 pm

  7. MikeCA
    August 8, 2021 at 12:07 am

    We all know what the problem is. Trump viewed all problems as political problems, so to him the pandemic was a political dirty trick being played on him by liberals, the deep state and China. He turned on his fire hose of lies to try to make the pandemic go away. He called the virus a hoax. Then he shut the economy down to try to stop the virus. Then he decided the economy was more important to his re-election than people dying, so he tried to force governors to open states back up. Trump was so reckless that eventually he got infected and probably would have been very seriously ill without the miracle experimental treatment he got. The result of this was all the issues around lock downs, masks and vaccinations have been hopelessly politicized. Yes, lots of people don’t trust the vaccines, don’t think they are safe, but that is because major actors like FOX News are telling them that.
    —-

    Ahem.. https://mtracey.substack.com/p/media-promotes-fake-vaccine-hesitancy

    All the talking heads on FOX and most other conservative outlets are vaccinated. Trump and all the elderly Republicans in the Senate are vaccinated. Unfortunately there are some conservative radio talk show hosts that didn’t understand that the anti-vax message was just for the suckers and they were suppose to get vaccinated while spewing anti-vax hysteria.

    —-

    In case you didn’t see the links in my post.. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/93878 and https://taibbi.substack.com/p/vaccine-success-media-misery-is-good-aad

    Phil Valentine, a Tennessee talk radio host in December wrote, “What are my odds of getting COVID? They’re pretty low. What are my odds of dying from COVID if I do get it? Probably way less than one percent.” Phil Valentine did not get vaccinated and is now in an ICU on a ventilator.

    We can also talk about people who died or got very sick from the vaccines.. let us not pretend that this a one-way street.

    Dick Farrel, a Florida talk radio host, called Dr. Fauci a “power tripping lying freak” and said no one should get the vaccine. He died from COVID-19 this week.

    and we can keep finding counter-examples.. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-57848367

    Why all the anti-Vax hysteria? Because they want to prolong the worst parts of the pandemic. They don’t want Joe Biden to get credit for handling the pandemic, so they are trying to convince all their followers to go out and get sick and a few them die trying to own the libs.

    right.. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/07/covid-pandemic-lockdown

    Of course that is exactly the same thing that you are doing with this post. Own the libs while encouraging people to get sick and risk dying.

    ya.. because all ages are equally likely to get seriously ill and die.. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/

    • Jack Donovan is a liberal piece of sh!t
      August 8, 2021 at 9:45 am

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

      you racist f#ck!

      Not all vaccine hesitancy ™ is caused by faux news.

      Yes, Arjun, er AD spends an inordinate amount of time kissing up to reich wingers who would beat the fuck outta him if given the opportunity. But why don’t you get your head outta your @$$ and admit the massive problems of your party.

      Funny how you don’t have tent cities in right leaning towns. Hows the wage inequality in your beloved SillyCon Valley bro?

  8. bonzo
    August 8, 2021 at 9:14 am

    American way is personal responsibility, diversity, segregation wherever possible based on culture, with national culture overriding other cultures only in matters of truly national importance (military, monetary policy, foreign relations etc). Any national candidate who grasps this American love of personal freedom will blast through to power in years to come.

    With respect to covid, idea above means elimination of all government rules (masks, vaccine mandates) in favor of individual choice. You want protection from covid? You can choose to get vaccinated. Maybe you can’t get vaccinated because you have immune system issues? Too bad, personal freedom implies personal responsibility, which implies weaklings get left behind to die. Though of course politicians will phrase it differently.

    Expect all vaccine programs to be eliminated (measles, etc) as part of the backlash. No federal money to any state which imposes any vaccine rules, including in public schools. Private charter schools, on the other hand, can impose rules. Great way for conservatives to bust public achools and their union. Churches, private clubs, private businesses in general will also be allowed to set their own vaccine rules.

    Not sure as to backlash effect on trannies. On the one hand, choosing your gender is individual choice, so very American. But refusing to acknowledge other people’s choice is also a choice, hence also very American. In other words, I expect protections for trannies to be rolled back, even as support for trannies simultaneously grows among liberals and more people become trannies. That is, unlike with racial discrimination, trans discrimination by private business will be mostly legalized. This will result in trannies concentrating in trans-friendly areas, while trans phobes will concentrate other areas. In general, polarization between liberal and conservative leaning areas of the country will increase.

    • Amanda Marcotte is a racist POS!
      August 8, 2021 at 9:49 am

      Bozo,

      I hope you got your money back after hiring this impassable thing…

  9. Parker Bensen
    August 8, 2021 at 4:58 pm

    The one valid objection to mandatory vaccination is, if somebody didn’t want a supposedly life-saving vaccine, for a supposedly deadly disease, then wouldn’t they deserve to die?

    For the past ten years all I’ve heard from lieberals is that they can’t wait for white male Republican voters to die off so that they can achieve their vision for society. Well, is this not the perfect opportunity to hasten this process?

    What’s more, vaccines will always be limited in number. Why the sole focus on full vaccination for the USA and other first world nations, without considering developing countries who would be devastated by such a heavy loss of their population? Isn’t this yet another example of white privilege?

  10. arjun
    August 8, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210513/coronavirus-lingers-in-penis-and-could-cause-impotence#1


    “Maybe now I can save money on escorts.” Something someone not named AD said. Haha, Ad will always pay…. Written in AD style but not by AD…

  11. stönerwithäböner
    August 9, 2021 at 4:05 am

    • übermensch is a fag liberal
      August 9, 2021 at 9:11 am

      this obviously ins’t by the real stonah wit ah bonah…

      AD does nothing with imposter alt reich posts because just like his love life he accepts impostors. I guess he save $20 each time he gets a tranny, hahahaha

  12. michaelbruhl
    August 9, 2021 at 8:58 am

    You are an idiot. You just are, but hey its evolution at work. Weeding out the morons.

    On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 11:18 PM Playing the Devil’s Advocate wrote:

    > dissention posted: “In some ways, this post is a continuation of a > previous one but with a very specific detour that does not fit in with > serial nature of that one. As regular readers know, in the past year I have > written multiple posts about why the alleged “elites” and par” >

  13. MikeCA
    August 9, 2021 at 12:54 pm

    “We can also talk about people who died or got very sick from the vaccines.. let us not pretend that this a one-way street.”

    Oh yeah, you can come up with scare stories of people dying after getting the vaccines.

    USA has fully vaccinated 165 million people. Are hospitals anywhere filling up with people suffering from serious side effects?

    The official number of cases is 35 million, but real number could easily be 100 million or more.

    USA has probably fully vaccinated more people than were infected. (Some previously infected people are included in the vaccinated number.) There have been 600,000+ COVID deaths. How many vaccines caused deaths have there been? It is pretty clear that number is much, much smaller.

    “ya.. because all ages are equally likely to get seriously ill and die..”

    It seems that people under 20 are very unlikely to become seriously ill, but Phil Valentine is in his early sixties and Dick Farrel was 65. They were both old enough they should have realized that catching COVID would be risky for them, but I guess that they didn’t get the message that the Republican and conservative elites should get vaccinated and then spew anti-vax nonsense to the useful idiots.

    I guess AD is all in on the anti-vax campaign. He wants all the young people to skip being vaccinated, go out and get COVID, spread it far and wide, then blame it on illegal immigrants and attack Biden for not securing the border. The Republican party now truly is the stupid party.

    • SZ
      August 10, 2021 at 1:31 pm

      AD has clearly lost his marbles. The whole post is a shit-show. I have yet to come across a SINGLE post from the start of COVID-19 where he called out Republicans for being deluded morons. Anti-vax Republican officials literally dying from COVID-19 cuz “muh fweedoms” and this dude can’t even mention that just to own the libs. Eff this.

  14. MikeCA
    August 9, 2021 at 1:10 pm

    Remember if you are a Republican in 2021, you need to believe at least six impossible things before breakfast:

    1) Tax cuts always pay for themselves
    2) There is no racism in America.
    3) Trump won re-election in 2020 by a wide margin
    4) The COVID-19 surge is caused by an invasion of immigrants on the Southern border.
    5) Mexico will pay for the wall.
    6) Republicans are the smart party.

    • Poopface McGhee
      August 9, 2021 at 4:47 pm

      there is a sh!tton of racism in the US of fukkin’ a…

      In fact, you and many of your fellow Boomercrats are racist….

      The raised middle finger is for independent!

      • stönerwithäböner
        August 9, 2021 at 11:41 pm

      • übermensch is a fag liberal
        August 10, 2021 at 11:15 am

        even though that is a funny meme, it is obviously not from the real stonah wit ah bonah….

        One must wonder what he said that made you so triggered as to (badly) impersonate him…

        Why don’t you go over to where you will be assepted…

        eradica.wordpress.com

        AD never takes down posts by alt reich shills because, secretly he wants to be accepted by them. He claims to be “intelligent” but can’t see ho badly that worked out for Roosh. Oh, well, maybe AD’s IQ isn’t as high as his narcissism.

  15. impostürewithabonah, this song is for You
    August 10, 2021 at 1:15 pm

  16. bommercrat MikeCaCa, this song is for you
    August 10, 2021 at 1:19 pm

  17. stonerwithaboner is 100% battyboy
    August 10, 2021 at 2:38 pm

    • Poopface McGhee
      August 11, 2021 at 9:52 pm

      this is much better…

  18. Ape Mind
    August 13, 2021 at 11:09 am

    • stonerwithaboner lusts after white supermacist c0ck
      August 14, 2021 at 2:44 am

      • August 14, 2021 at 10:16 am

        now we know who is behind the impostor wit ah bonah posts:

        https://promalecollective.wordpress.com

        the real reason they hate him is because he refused to let them steal his content. They are a bunch of “leftist” white guys who are just like the alt reich except tranny loving commies. They stole the name of their blog from a guy named please to thrash and most people quit because Tamerloon is mentally unstable and lashes out when anyone insults his competence (or lack thereof.)

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