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On the Ongoing ClusterFuck of American Retreat from Afghanistan

Unless you are living on some isolated middle in the middle of an ocean, you will have heard or seen something about the chaotic conditions in aftermath of the ongoing American retreat from Afghanistan. To be fair, the writing was on the wall for a long time- some say, within a few months of the initial occupation of that country in aftermath of 9/11 attacks, almost 20 years ago. Heck, a girl conceived on the day after official beginning of this stupid and costly campaign would have been ‘legal’ last year. Depending on who you ask, it cost somewhere between 1 to 2.2 Trillion dollars to occupy a country for almost two decades- only for the Taliban to overthrow the American puppet government within a couple of weeks.

Did I mention that it cost the lives of over 2 k American soldiers, permanently disabled many thousands more, resulted in deaths of maybe 100-300 k Afghans and caused a low-intensity civil war in that country for almost two decades. And all of this for the achieving little to no permanent change in that country and biggest international humiliation of USA since the Fall of Saigon in 1975. I will give credit to Joe Biden (or whoever runs him nowadays) for making this decision- even though it is still unpopular with the ivy-league and establishment class in this country. Then again, the “credentialed” coastal elite in this country have visibly lost touch with reality many years ago. Ironically, getting out of Afghanistan has been one of the few issues of non-partisan consensus among average voters in this country for past few years.

On the bright side, the chaos after the fall of Kabul to the Taliban in 2021 has given us some iconic images and video, which is very comparable to what occurred after the Fall of Saigon in 1975. I guess that not enough people learned the lessons from 1975. Isn’t it interesting that so many of the images from that humiliation are so similar to those from this one- almost 46 years later. It helps that smartphones have become common enough to have video clips from different angles of people plummeting from planes taking off from Kabul (link 1, link 2 and link 3). I cannot resist the irony of pointing out that the latest American puppet aka Ashraf Ghani wrote an article in LA Times on Feb 15, 1989 which began with the following sentence- “The Soviets have left Afghanistan, making the collapse of besieged puppet regime in Kabul just a matter of time”- here is an easier to read link.

Oddly enough the Soviet puppet government lasted for about three years after Soviet Army left. Ghani flew out (allegedly to Oman) before the Taliban even stepped in Kabul, and within a couple of weeks after the final collapse of his puppet regime started. I am sure he will end up living in some ostentatious MacMansion in the suburbs of DC or nearby Virginia. After all, he has certainly stolen and stashed enough money to afford a very nice lifestyle in some western country. Perhaps he will rehabilitated by American mainstream media as a commentator within a few years- if the country survives in its present form till them. Which brings me to the next issue- how will this affect the rapidly declining image and real-life capability of USA and West?

Let me remind you that USSR fell within 3-4 years of withdrawing from Afghanistan. Many of you might think this was obvious- but hindsight is a lie. Things were going downhill there for at least a decade before the final collapse in 1991. They had a highly dysfunctional economic system, series of geriatric leaders, a public relations disaster in the form of Chernobyl and the withdrawal from Afghanistan. In 2021, USA has had well over a decade of rapidly increasing inequality, decades of deindustrialization, a dysfunctional political and administrative system, elites with no contact to reality, a president with senile dementia, record political polarization, mishandling of COVID-19 pandemic at multiple level of government and now the humiliation of withdrawing from Afghanistan. History may not repeat, but if often rhymes.

What do you think? Comments?

  1. übermensch is unmanly
    August 16, 2021 at 9:45 pm

  2. bonzo
    August 16, 2021 at 10:37 pm

    This is just a foretaste of USA humiliation in Asia. It’s not so much decadent USA political culture as changes in weapons technology. Modern electronics shifts balance of power to anti aircraft and anti ship weapons (and anti satellite, but I doubt anyone wants to escalate to that), but USA power in Asia depends on air/sea supremacy. Drone subs and drone torpedoes, in particular, make it easy for China/Russia/Iran to blockade Taiwan, Korea, Japan and the Persian Gulf. Mere threat of blockade will force Korea and Japan to stay neutral, because they are so dependent on sea imports, meaning they will have to sell electronics to China/Russia/Iran alliance. Electronics is the only thing that alliance really needs to import. Oil can be moved from Persian Gulf to China by pipeline, though Russia has plenty oil itself.

    Political culture enters when USA decides how to respond to rise of the China/Russia/Iran alliance (to reiterate, rise of this alliance driven by weapons technology change more than anything). Correct response is what USA is doing in Afghanistan: retreat rapidly and shamelessly, then let the Europeans slowly wake up to need to get serious about uniting to respond to the China/Russia/Iran takeover of Asia, including Persian Gulf.

    Rapid retreat will lead to economic shock, because world acceptance of USA indebtedness is built on perception of USA military dominance. Resources freed up by rapid retreat could allow rapid reduction in this debt, making the shock short and soon forgotten. However, I suspect many powerful interests would see rapid retreat as threatening their power, so this option will be rejected.

    More likely scenario is that resistance to China/Russia/Iran results in humiliating USA naval defeat. USA badgers Europeans to unite with it and attack China/Russia/Iran directly. Europeans refuse, so USA goes alone and suffers more navsl defeats. Massive dollar crisis. Massive USA political crisis. After this point, my crystal ball gets cloudy.

  3. bonzo
    August 16, 2021 at 10:47 pm

    On a more serious note, the Last Man movie was about a disease that killed everyone with a Y chromosome. Interesting idea, but why that misleading title? Lots of women have XY chromosomes and lots of men have XX chromosomes, just like lots of men can give birth and chestfeed and lots of women have penises that they were born with, so even if all the people with Y chromosome died, there would still be lots of men alive, right?
    https://us.yahoo.com/news/y-last-man-trans-men-190722601.html

  4. bonzo is a gay nazi
    August 17, 2021 at 12:19 am

  5. MikeCA
    August 17, 2021 at 10:06 am

    Thank you for the Russian perspective on Afghanistan.

    It appears that after Trump/Pompeo negotiated a deal directly with the Taliban to withdraw all US troops from Afghanistan by a date certain, but set to be after the 2020 election, the Afghan government and military negotiated their own deals with the Taliban to simply turn over the country. The Afghan government and military leaders had no interest in even trying to fight the Taliban, they just wanted to escape the country with as much money as they could.

    What this shows is that all the US generals, neocons and foreign policy hawks were totally wrong about Afghanistan for the last 20 years, even more than they were wrong about Iraq.

    I think Obama had a gut feeling that Afghanistan was hopeless, but he was afraid to stand up to the generals and hawks pushing for more troops. Obama wanted to avoid the political blow back. Trump ran for office on the platform of ending the forever wars, but even he was afraid of the political blow back of pulling out before the 2020 election. Obama, Trump and Biden all knew there would be a political shit show following withdrawal. Biden was the first leader to have the guts to do what they all knew had to be done. The instant collapse of the Afghan government just unmistakably shows that Biden made the right decision. Good for Biden forcefully defending his decision.

    • stönerwithäböner
      August 17, 2021 at 11:52 am

      • August 17, 2021 at 3:21 pm

        this is obviously not that stupid mulatoe Stonah wit ah bonah. He would not join our KKKollective and do the dirty work we leave for minos. But this is likely posted by a white nationalist who is offended because stonah made fun of their queero Jack Donovan. We love Jack Donovan at the PMC!

  6. stonerwithaboner is gay nazi
    August 17, 2021 at 2:44 pm

    • August 18, 2021 at 9:46 am

      stonah wit ah bonah is a drug addicted layabout, no way he could function in an imperialistic military that hides behind “progressive” causes like dicks in but holes. Basically, stonah couldn’t hack it in a corporate work environment, no way that home a phobic could last a day in the army. I wonder what he did to make you so obsesses with him. He refused to work with our leader Tamerloon and we wrote a bunch of fake stuff to make him look bad but it didn’t work because he already looked bad.

  7. übermensch is a fruitcakeliberal
  8. Shlomo Goldstenberg
    August 18, 2021 at 4:37 am

    The terrible situation in Afghanistan is all Trumps fault, blaming it all on Biden is racist and sexist

    Now that we are out of Afghanistan we can finally do something about Iran, they need to be stopped ASAP

    • richard spencer can't even defend himself yet he's okay with endless wars
      August 18, 2021 at 9:37 am

      • Minecraft Steve
        August 18, 2021 at 9:59 am
  9. RJ
    August 18, 2021 at 11:02 am

    Jesus built my hotrod and allah, er, antifa blew it up….

  10. Mike Cernobitch has low T
    August 18, 2021 at 5:00 pm

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ynJOByRLgAGR#

    (nice lisp bruh, you suck a pickle like you suck that cigar, boi?)

  11. check your spam folder, you cuck!
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